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Old 04-04-2016, 02:43 PM   #76
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Re: Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

H1 well played
H2 c/r turn is almost as bad as calling. Why not check fold?
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Old 04-05-2016, 11:52 AM   #77
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really great thread. Where do you play? Love your thought process and hhs keep it up. good luck with your goal
Thank you. Sometimes I play in different locations but I'd rather not say where my main games are.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:02 PM   #78
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H1 well played
H2 c/r turn is almost as bad as calling. Why not check fold?
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That was the plan until he accidentally flashed one of his cards. The 4 he flashed was , so that removes the 1 combo of 42s. I didn't think he would call pre with 42o, but what do I know he showed up w/ 64o. At this point he's capped at 64. I thought that would likely fold pre, leaving 44 and bluffs as the most likely combos.

I think most people are still likely to fold 64 if an overcard falls on the river and they're facing a shove, but maybe I'm thinking about this wrong.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:22 PM   #79
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if he knows you saw his card there goes your fold equity imo
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He does not know I saw his card
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:09 PM   #81
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Played about 8 hours yesterday on little sleep and auto-piloted some spots as a result. I also decided in the past few sessions to temporarily take notes on every showdown I see in order to force myself to pay attention. It was tedious but I figured if I have something to physically do, it will prevent me from staring off into space/daydreaming.

Here are some hands from yesterday's session:

1. MP opens 30 (1.5k, Indian kid who has been in a few of my old hhs), btn calls, I call sb A9. Flop 854 I check, MP bets 55 into 105, only I call. Turn 5, Ck/ck. River 6 I bet 385 into 215.

2. 1 ep limp (kid on 80bb stack), I go 45 in mp AJ, btn calls, limper calls. Flop 772, ck, I bet 55 into 150, only the limper calls. Turn 6, ck,ck. River K, ck/ck.

3. Ep opens 40 (3.5k, younger guy who i've seen open J4s utg+1 so far this session), MP calls (2k, rec. player), I 3bet KJ otb 160, both call.
Flop KJ8 ck,ck, I cbet 280 into 490, ep calls. Turn 6, ep leads out 370 into 1,050, I call. River 2, ep leads 820 into 1790

4. Co opens 30 (700, Asian rec. player from last post who reads while playing), I call A6 otb, bb squeezes 120 (1k, same indian kid I overbet river against), co calls, I call. Flop 994, checks through. Turn A, bb bets 175 into 365, only I call. River 3, bb shoves 700 into 715.

5. Utg limps, I limp 33 Utg+1, limp, MP goes 55 (j4s kid), more callers and we're 6 way w/ multiple rec players to the flop. Q103 cks, I lead 215 into 330, pfr calls, sb calls (middle aged rec. player). Turn 5, checks through. River K, sb leads 300 into 975

6. Mp 35 (1k, same Indian kid), hj and btn call, I call bb 58
Flop Q86 I check, MP cbets 65 into 140, btn calls (rec player 3k), I c/r 275

I'll leave my in game thoughts and what I think I did wrong out for a little while.

Next weekend will be nice. I'm doing an overnight trip with a goal of around 20 hours.

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Old 04-11-2016, 01:30 AM   #82
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1. Why so big on the river?

2. Wonder if you can rep AK, KQ here?

3. Annoying, you 3b him pre with any suited Ax or Qx?

4. Prob fold pre

5. PFR is IP and checked back turn? If so, then could probably call the tiny river bet, since board's got good flush blockers and you probably won't be raised by the 3rd guy (is he capable of bluffing like that with Ac?). Not sure if you'll win often enough since a straight also got there.

6. What's the plan?
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Old 04-11-2016, 12:34 PM   #83
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1. Not a fan of calling this hand oop. Reads on BTN? If he is a weaker player I would rather squeeze here and raise to ~140. As played I am raising flop/gii if he re raises. Dont mind the overbet on the river but prefer betting something like 200.

2. If you bet flop, check turn, then you really should bet the river here. I would go 185 at least. But generally I dont like cbeting these kinds of boards MW as villains get very sticky with PPs.

3. 3bet bigger this deep. Around 180-200. As played I call and I am pretty happy about it. Sure he has some flushes, but he should have enough bluff combos tomake this a call.

4. Not a fan on the intial call, not deep enough. Definatly fold to a squeeze. As played sigh fold river.

5. call for this price

6. Not a fan of this play vs live calling stations.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:34 PM   #84
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1. Why so big on the river?

I think the river card is so good for our range/bad for his, I can put max pressure on his weak range with an overbet/steal more equity from the pot. The problem is I don't rep too many bluffs, so maybe I should pick a smaller sizing? Turn my weakest sdv into overbets? I'm not sure I'm thinking about this concept correctly.

2. Wonder if you can rep AK, KQ here?

Ya, autopiloting mistake. Checked back my nut bluff card w/o taking a second to think.

3. Annoying, you 3b him pre with any suited Ax or Qx?

Ya otb vs someone opening as wide as J4s my plan is to be 3betting pretty wide. I do have Axs and probably broadway Qxs a lot if that's what you're asking. Are you saying we'll have many better hands to call down with so we can dump KJ?

4. Prob fold pre


5. PFR is IP and checked back turn? If so, then could probably call the tiny river bet, since board's got good flush blockers and you probably won't be raised by the 3rd guy (is he capable of bluffing like that with Ac?). Not sure if you'll win often enough since a straight also got there.

Yup he checked turn back turn IP. I was thinking he may be btn clicking two pair based on some interesting bets I've seen him make before, but that could be optimistic. Great odds but everything got there.

6. What's the plan?

I was thinking along the lines of continue betting when we turn equity. Any , 7, 4 or 9. We have nice blocker effects vs the most common set for both players and potentially two pair for btn (Q8s/68s). If both players call I'd probably give up if I turn a gutter and maybe continue with openenders and fds.


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1. Not a fan of calling this hand oop. Reads on BTN? If he is a weaker player I would rather squeeze here and raise to ~140. As played I am raising flop/gii if he re raises. Dont mind the overbet on the river but prefer betting something like 200.

Hmm don't really remember the btn. I could see squeezing some of the time with this hand but I think it's too good to fold

2. If you bet flop, check turn, then you really should bet the river here. I would go 185 at least. But generally I dont like cbeting these kinds of boards MW as villains get very sticky with PPs.

Agree re:river bet

3. 3bet bigger this deep. Around 180-200. As played I call and I am pretty happy about it. Sure he has some flushes, but he should have enough bluff combos to make this a call.

Ya I could go bigger pre

4. Not a fan on the intial call, not deep enough. Definatly fold to a squeeze. As played sigh fold river.

Ya maybe too loose

5. call for this price

Painful call

6. Not a fan of this play vs live calling stations.

I think pfr is beating the game and button isn't just auto calling down ck raises with any piece. I think some mid pair + backdoor straight and flush draw combos are the best candidates for bluffs in this spot to balance out my sets.
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Old 04-21-2016, 12:28 PM   #85
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1) leading/winning this hand

2) fist pump betting this river. You have AK always and he has low pp always (or dumb 3x as we see)

3) prob just fold pre. He had J4 that one time but as you see you get called any ways, strong value heavy range is the way to go until people start folding or we can at least be heads up. As played near potting that flop. No need to be bashful, we are telling everyone we have a big hand, might as well do it with big money.

I don't think either of his turn/River sizings are ever a bluff, so worse two pair is the only question. I would really deep down be curious if I was getting owned but Id fold River, i like his line fwiw.

4) def fold pre

5) let PFR bet this one, leading creates no dead money in between. A x/through sucks but isn't total disaster.

6) I do this a lot but with more turn equity savers, so like 67 for example. Plan would be to continue on 7,8,5,9 A and hearts. Also want to be deeper. Your x/r also doesn't have to be huge bc we are folding out air and if called we want to three barrel the right run.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:31 PM   #86
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1) leading/winning this hand

I haven't given much thought to a leading strategy in this spot. How are you splitting your xing and leading range or are you just leading all value/semi bluffs?

2) fist pump betting this river. You have AK always and he has low pp always (or dumb 3x as we see)

agree, def a mistake

3) prob just fold pre. He had J4 that one time but as you see you get called any ways, strong value heavy range is the way to go until people start folding or we can at least be heads up. As played near potting that flop. No need to be bashful, we are telling everyone we have a big hand, might as well do it with big money.

If he's opening way too wide it's fine if he doesn't fold pre. I want to punish him by 3betting a wide/linear range that still plays well post. I think the only way this becomes a mistake on my part is if he goes nuts 4betting and I don't defend enough.

I don't think either of his turn/River sizings are ever a bluff, so worse two pair is the only question. I would really deep down be curious if I was getting owned but Id fold River, i like his line fwiw.

Tough to say never. I'm not folding turn but I agree river can be a fold

4) def fold pre

Maybe a fold but I don't think it's a "definite" especially given COs bad post flop fundamentals.

5) let PFR bet this one, leading creates no dead money in between. A x/through sucks but isn't total disaster.

Ya I could see either line but its not like people are cbetting air on this board 6way. My lead is super face up to anyone that has a clue. I pretty much have 33 and that's it which is why I prefaced we had multiple rec players in the pot

6) I do this a lot but with more turn equity savers, so like 67 for example. Plan would be to continue on 7,8,5,9 A and hearts. Also want to be deeper. Your x/r also doesn't have to be huge bc we are folding out air and if called we want to three barrel the right run.

Agree 67/78 +bdfd are good candidates. If you're not c/r 58hh are you calling?
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5/10/20- I think we're ~7handed

UTG opens 60, I call UTG+1 JJ (~2.3k), bb calls, straddle calls

Flop($240) 732
3 checks, I bet 150, bb calls(asian male 40s reg, covers)

Turn($540) 3
ck, I bet 350, he c/r to ~975




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Reads on villain? Timing tells, live tells ? In a vacum this should be a fold, but with some specific reads this could be a call/call most rivers.
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Click call twice. Want to fade 's A,4,5 OTR, though none of them are especially bad besides hearts, imo.
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Click call twice. Want to fade 's A,4,5 OTR, though none of them are especially bad besides hearts, imo.


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Reads on villain? Timing tells, live tells ?
Nothing that weighted my decision in either direction
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Old 04-24-2016, 10:17 AM   #92
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This really isn't the place for live reads, or rather what I want to iterate is how important "line" reading is compared to "live" reading.

His line, x/c, x/r, is either nutted** or a hand that picked up equity on the turn.

When someone says "let me tell you about this spot where villain x/c flop and x/r turn" your head should immediately go to bolded. That is line reading. Then your next question is board texture.

On this board, the turn paired, reducing his set combos (i.e., reducing his nutted combos). It also held equity for some of his flop calling range, which would be the heart combos of 45, 56, A4, A5, 67.

**he also has some middle pocket pairs here, 88-TT, and people do spazz here to "protect" or whatever.

And, as per usual in live poker, there is always some non-zero total spazz factor.

Live reads that are actually useful in game would be his VPIP (esp. from the small blind) and his fold to cbet %. You don't need to know these to the thousandth place for each villain but if you just pay attention at a high level after a few hours you'd have an idea if he could ever have 3x here for example.

Lol-live reads that you could use (I call them Oreo tells), would be if he tanked for 20-40 seconds before raising, if he verbally announced the raise, if he made eye contact with the dealer, if his hands are shaky, if he looks to the tv after making the raise, etc. These are all signs of strength. But this is the final 10% of your decision, if that. The first ~70% is his line, then board texture, then your relative hand strength, THEN Oreo tells.

Reading Oreo tells is fun, but line reading is key.

As for the actual hand, it's just one of those spots where if he's got it he's getting my stack. And he does have it here sometimes. I don't want to use words like "at the top of my range" or "we are underrepped" because these phrases sort of tilt me in live poker. But he's telling you he has one of 7 hands, all of which are nutted and x/r turn instead of x/c. I'm not folding and if he's got it, NH.

If he's got A3 berate him for his bad call and tell him vs. your flop betting range as the non pfr his call is -ev.

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5/10/20- I think we're ~7handed

UTG opens 60, I call UTG+1 JJ (~2.3k), bb calls, straddle calls

Flop($240) 732
3 checks, I bet 150, bb calls(asian male 40s reg, covers)

Turn($540) 3
ck, I bet 350, he c/r to ~975
I think the numbers are off a little because I remember it being 7 something more to call the c/r. With the low spr I decided to just stick it in. I lose to 22. It's tough to even know a ballpark of his sb vpip and his fold to cbet% due to lack of showdowns and lolhands/hr in live poker. He would also probably fall into the category that plays different pre on different days based on his mood. I do have a note on him from a previous session where he called my utg+1 open in utg+3 w/ 58cc so take that fwiw.


This past Saturday was a rough. Biggest single session loss to date. I think losing a few huge pots early on clouded my ability to think clearly, but really there is no excuse. First big loss involved opening 87s in ep (2.5k) and playing a 5way 3bet pot. Board was Q87ss, 3bettor cbets, I c/r, other player(covers) ships, pfr ends up tank/folding JJ (game was good), I gii vs T9ss and lose.

First mistake: I open AK(no d) in ep and fish calls in bb. With the straddle we're probably between 110 and 130 bbs deep. HU A45dd He ck/calls. Turn 8o, he c/r, I call. River Jd, he ships, I call. This guy can sometimes be spewy, but not enough to justify a river call.

After getting stacked again my head was spinning and I felt like I couldn't think straight. Sub-consciously I was trying hard to not make the same mistake again (stationing off), and over compensated by folding in a spot I think was pretty bad. I also think I was sub-consciously trying to control the size of my potential huge loss.

The bad fold was vs an UTG open (unknown young asian male, player that stacked me w/ T9ss), I 3bet black AA from sb, he calls. We're about 220 bbs deep (unstraddled pot). I cbet Q86dd, he raises, I call. Turn I think was a low brick, I ended up c/f to a ~1/3 pot bet. Fwiw I think checking a lot of hands (including AA) on a flop like that deep/oop can be a good idea.

Quit my session right after that hand, wayyy early because I recognized the mental game leak. Was too tilted to continue and just didn't want to sit there anymore. Looking forward to starting fresh mentally next weekend and forgetting about this blood bath.


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Kudos on quitting early, top 5 skill imo.

I do the overbalance the wrong way thing all the time, lol.
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22 hours since the last update. Think my play has been mediocre to bad, butchering a few hands. Thought I played well in the session following the blood bath but not so much in the one after that. Sometimes bad can be interpreted in different ways. What I mean is I can play bad due to some form of tilt, or bad because I actually don’t know what to do in a given situation. In game there’s not much I can do about the latter besides take notes when I feel a little lost and study away from the table.

I’ve noticed when I’m towards the end of a long session I tend to go into a brain fog--mostly from fatigue I’d guess-- basically unable to do simple math in my head or mess up a hand I’d think was easy if I looked at it when fresh. I think I need to play more online during the week with the purpose of getting in reps, not so much for the $.


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Hand 1- I open 88 to 35 utg+2, CO calls (late 30s, reg prob beating the game, saw him river bet 55 otb on an A44x4 3way after isoing pre w/ flop and turn checked through)

Flop ($85): 984
I cbet 50, CO calls

Turn ($185) 8
I check, check

River ($185) Q
I check, CO bets 100, I c/r 600


Hand 2- I open 35 QJ in MP, btn calls (younger reg from previous hhs who opened J4s in ep/ donked turn w/ set of jacks in 3b pot) ~2k eff


Flop ($85) 842
I cbet 50, btn calls

Turn($185) 6
I bet 105, btn raises to 235, I call

River($655) T
Check, Check

Hand 3- Btn opens 25 (20s, good reg), I call bb A8~2k eff

Flop($55) K78r
I ck/call 15

Turn($85) 4 (can’t remember if bdfd)
I ck/call 80

River A ($245)
Ck,ck

Ranges are still pretty wide getting to the turn. Worst hand we’re ck/calling vs this sizing?

Hand 4- CO opens 30 (same good reg), I 3b btn 115 A3, CO calls. ~2.2k eff

Flop ($245) 356
Check, I cbet 120, CO calls

Turn ($485) 8
Check…


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Edit-hand 1 board should be 984 8 Q
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Hand 1: Man, quads are so hard to play (being srs here)

Hand 2: Seems ok. Weird spot really bc I expect to get played with on this turn. Like, as I was getting out betting chips, I'd be thinking "this ****er is going to raise, isn't he?" Is he capable of stuffing draws over a turn 3b? Does he think you have the nizzles in your range at all even if you 3b?

Hand 3: Just a tell I pick up more so online, the tiny bet followed up by big bet = strong like always. A8 is prolly worst hand I call turn but even this I don't like really.

Hand 4: I wouldn't 3b, I used to do this a lot with Awheelsuited but I dunno, kind of a waste of suits and aces and such, imo. I like it a lot more with JT (bc J high doesn't win at showdown). Awheelsuited is more fun to cold 4bet with weeeeeeeeeeee

If CO thinks we are pretty wide here I bet flop/turn but if he thinks we are like TT+ and capable of folding I check more. Also depends on how wide his range is obv.

FWIW, I check a lot and its probably bad, I dunno, I like riding out my equity to people who are folding 0% of the time.

Why the 3.5x?
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Hand 1: Man, quads are so hard to play (being srs here)

Hand 2: Seems ok. Weird spot really bc I expect to get played with on this turn. Like, as I was getting out betting chips, I'd be thinking "this ****er is going to raise, isn't he?" Is he capable of stuffing draws over a turn 3b? Does he think you have the nizzles in your range at all even if you 3b?

Hand 3: Just a tell I pick up more so online, the tiny bet followed up by big bet = strong like always. A8 is prolly worst hand I call turn but even this I don't like really.

Hand 4: I wouldn't 3b, I used to do this a lot with Awheelsuited but I dunno, kind of a waste of suits and aces and such, imo. I like it a lot more with JT (bc J high doesn't win at showdown). Awheelsuited is more fun to cold 4bet with weeeeeeeeeeee

If CO thinks we are pretty wide here I bet flop/turn but if he thinks we are like TT+ and capable of folding I check more. Also depends on how wide his range is obv.

FWIW, I check a lot and its probably bad, I dunno, I like riding out my equity to people who are folding 0% of the time.

Why the 3.5x?

1. Lol, ya. Was going for a turn c/r. C-betting on this board with the middle card pairing ott + flush coming in, I think I should be doing a lot of checking oop. Can we play our AcKx,AcJx like this? My thinking is yes.

Result: CO folds

2. Don’t know the answers to your questions. After the hand I was thinking over this small raise I could maybe 3bet this hand. What strong value hand/hand willing to put in a bunch of $ takes this little turn click back on a double fd board? My guess is not too many.


Result: I lose to 89

3. Not thrilled about this but we get to the turn vs that flop size with so many hands. Almost every pair and prob some ace highs. My thoughts were similar to yours, call this 8 but fold the rest. We have 3 additional outs vs tp/2p and also block AK (though not sure how relevant that is).

Result: I win

4. Decided to bet. I think it’s ok on most diamonds but this may be one of the worst? Also felt like I could’ve gone either way on the flop. Turn I get c/r 250 to 750 and fold. If we look at direct pot odds against only a value range, calling 500 I’d lose ~138.73. With implied odds, I’d need to win an additional ~762 when I hit (1215 behind, I’d need to get all in and win my stack 63%). Again, this is only against a value range. It’s not taking into account CO’s bluffs/when they give up/ I win at sd. I think folding was bad and if I’m betting my turn sizing should probably be much bigger.

I was also thinking about how to play overpairs. I’d think we need to bet/bet/bet if the river bricks with the best ones. Defending vs a turn c/r is tougher question. Which ones do we bluff catch (b/c, call river/fold river), check back turn, or bet/fold turn with?

Re:3.5x- are you talking about 3 betting or open?

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