Thanks

My original loose assumptions were:
- unlikely value betting worse when the bdfd comes in
- realistically only has 4 value combos
- naked bdnfd might be unlikely to take a stab at this flop 4 way
- shouldn't be too hard to find 2 combos of QTs/KQ bluffs
- not sure about the offsuit broadways she has pre but I'd guess most of them are folds (I would)

A lot of this is just me projecting how I'd play this spot. Apparently I'm a nit and make bad assumptions because she and two other live pros I asked said they would flat T8s pre. Vs a solid lj open (+ reg heavy T20 lineup where the blinds are prob doing their fair share of squeezing) I'm not flating and I'd think a solid reg doing it would be uncommon.

Start adding those T8 value combos and maybe some nfd to her range then all of a sudden finding enough bluffs becomes harder.

Flop I tend to go more defensive in this spot oop multiway but I agree QQ would benefit in a lot of ways from cbetting.

The suited connector/gapper stuff is really reasonable as a cc ip deep. Much better than offsuit broadway.

But the majority holding of most player cc barrel thru range here is just a frickin set. AJ/j9 will nitback river some %. Not sure if I missed results, but it seems like from post above villain showed up with T8ss. Makes sense

That’s fair. I’m curious to see how the mid suited gappers perform vs lj/hj as cold calls otb if you are flating them when you filter your db. Still some variables may be changed like stack depth, # of players, player types, rake, smaller open size, etc. but info could still be valuable.

I called she had QTs

Her having mostly these types of combos is one of the main reasons you should fold.

Honestly just x/f flop.

A few big pots

1) PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 148.63 BB
BB: 13.97 BB
UTG: 101.17 BB
MP: 104.1 BB
Hero (CO): 110.42 BB
BTN: 100.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, SB calls 8.5 BB, fold, MP calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) 5 2 A
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 8 BB, fold, MP calls 8 BB

Turn: (44 BB, 2 players) K
MP checks, Hero bets 29 BB, MP calls 29 BB

River: (102 BB, 2 players) 4
MP bets 58.1 BB and is all-in


dk why flop cbet was so big
2) PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 263.82 BB
BTN: 99.31 BB
SB: 93.48 BB
BB: 141.25 BB
UTG: 46.9 BB
Hero (MP): 118 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 5 Q 6
BB checks, Hero bets 5.25 BB, BB raises to 20.25 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (47 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 20.5 BB, Hero calls 20.5 BB

River: (88 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 88 BB



3) PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 134.45 BB
CO: 92.5 BB
BTN: 170.26 BB
SB: 109.23 BB
BB: 93.29 BB
UTG: 245.95 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 14 BB, fold, Hero calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (29.5 BB, 2 players) Q T 5
BB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

Turn: (61.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 63.29 BB and is all-in



4) PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 117.11 BB
BB: 140.96 BB
Hero (UTG): 101.5 BB
MP: 123.08 BB
CO: 105.53 BB
BTN: 69.03 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) T 7 5
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB, fold

Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 11.5 BB, BTN calls 11.5 BB

River: (45 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 22.5 BB

Andees, sorry if I've missed this upthread but... $2NL - are we talking 1c/2c or $1/$2?

definitely makes a difference to strat

It’s $1/$2. I should probably start posting these hhs with $ amounts instead of bbs to avoid confusion. It’s also ignition not Pokerstars that’s just how the hh converts



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5) PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $200.00
UTG: $78.06
MP: $210.20
CO: $1,268.00
BTN: $322.58
Hero (SB): $322.20

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has A A

fold, fold, CO raises to $5.00, BTN calls $5.00, Hero raises to $24.00, fold, fold, BTN calls $19.00

Flop: ($55.00, 2 players) Q 8 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $20.00, Hero calls $20.00

Turn: ($95.00, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $56.00, Hero calls $56.00

River: ($207.00, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $222.58 and is all-in

Fold the first 3 call the last 2

Yep. Fold the jakes pre

Hate all the spots.

I fold the first 4 (first 3 all pretty happily, the KK very sadly but with this size a call is probably ok)

The AA you kinda hafta call with your line. You only really lose to 888 and I guess some JTss... I also prefer a bigger sq size

I also understand why you x flop - combo of pot controlling and range protection. But I think if you x it should mostly be to xr. If you let villain dictate the size of the pot here, what happens more often than not, is they bet bet shove all the value that beats you, bet bet x all the stuff you want more value from, and bet bet shove some bluffs but probably not enough for you to look them up with any 1 pair.

Why x flop? If I x flop I would x/jam turn.

I think you can take a few diff lines that are ok with the aces. Deep oop they can work well as a bluff catcher bc they need the least protection and don't block bluffs. Some players can blast vs a capped range. I still like cbetting or xr a street as options.

Hand 4 There aren't worse value bets and I was thinking it's unlikely the population is turning pairs into bluff enough.

Results-
1) folded vs AxKs
2) folded vs 66
3) folded vs KdKx
4) folded vs TT
5) Called, lost to QQ

Yeah these are good points

300 bbs eff. how do you approach turn with your range?

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $442.76
BTN: $593.38
Hero (SB): $963.23
BB: $204.80
UTG: $266.71
MP: $118.45

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $7.00, Hero raises to $27.00, fold, BTN calls $20.00

Flop: ($56.00, 2 players) 3 7 5
Hero bets $16.00, BTN calls $16.00

Turn: ($88.00, 2 players) 2

check/call turn, hes got a ton more nutted hands in his range than we do. I think a bet ott is a bit of an overplay OOP.

live I like a bet of 1/2 pot.

5/10/20

I open sb 80 AKcc (2.5k), bb calls, straddle calls. Both winning regs

Flop(240) AJTssh
I cbet 190, straddle calls

Turn(620)7s
x, he bets 380

Fyl/xf

Cbet too large imo

Agreed. Cbet too large. As played I think ck fold.

Check flop

Big cbet on this board is going to be fine since best hand villain can have is probably TJ or AT. Going big on this flop in general is probably fine. Agree though turn is probably a sigh xf.

Not kqo? would say it's gotta be there at least some %. Still, that was the idea with the sizing. We have a lot more nutted/better hands than them and shouldn't be faced with a bluff raise (or raise at all) basically ever. Ax/pair + gutter/flush draw are basically auto calls.

At the same time being OOP with a big pot sucks though when we have to navigate turns like this.

I would discount KQo if villain is a decent reg (our removal but also just expect them to squeeze at least some freq). Realistically this is a board we could just triple barrel like crazy on because almost no one is going to defend river properly vs 3 big bets here.

I probably should have folded. Rivers will be miserable. My hand isn't that good relative to what else I can have given I'd check this turn with a lot of strong hands.

In the moment I was rationalizing this is one of the few players that recognizes what a ****ty spot i'm in and is capable of turning hands into bluffs. I guess the worst hand you call is 2 pair or AxKs?

My brain was saying fold, my hand threw the chips in. River J, I x he gives a long tank and checks back KsJx. I think I like his play.

ch flop, ch/fold turn as played. he played it super standard/fine and I assume he was ready to put in the mandatory river bluff on almost every river.