I prob call there against a CO range that can have too many bluffs such as {KQo, KTo, QTo, A9o, TT} w/ . Against a HJ range I fold.

Think the only bluffing combos are like QdTo and KoQd/KdQo so I'd fold. Hard to come up with enough bluffs as pairs with a diamond prob checks back turn.

I don’t like the turn x. Get value from AdAx/KdKx, QdTx, KdQx, KdJx etc.

Turn sizing is scary from v. Bet turn xf river as johnnybuz suggested is probably decent vrs most.

When you x turn, maybe some clever guys will go for it, doesn't mean I want to call down.

Anyways, whatever line you take that involves checking a street kinda turns your range face up as trips/2pr type stuff and not fh/flush. Still struggling with how to play these spots better, whether it be adding some flushes to x range. Betting range wider and smaller, etc etc. That said against many, xf to big river bets can't be bad

What do you think about x/r the combo draws around the straight and x/c x/c turn and river? It keeps all the big flush draws in v’s range and he’s an 85/15 dog at that point so we potentially get 2 streets of value from the turn and river bluff versus 1 street of value when we bet turn and he x back river (unless he bluffs AdAx on river when he misses).

Interesting decision point when we have a mid-range flush on turn.

Not sure I follow your post, but if you're suggesting to x non nut flushes after xr the flop to induce bluffs and protect an xr x range I'm on board.

I think to xr flop with top 2 on these boards get incredibly tricky as there are so many turns or rivers which kill action or we get drawn out on. Being oop on the river is very hard on these textures in bloated but not allin pots. I think sometimes it also makes sense to xc flop, wait for turn brick, then gozilla xr size the turn with a better top 2. Also protects your flop xc

I believe theoretically when you raise vs a smaller flop sizing you should x turn more w range, esp oop on that turn

Yah that's what I was spitballing. Part of me hates giving villain the opportunity to check back and realize his equity which seems like such a common line with overpair + flush draw.

Maybe we get value from his semi-bluff combos of which there are many.

Its this

Fwiw I wouldn’t raise flop if sizing was polarizing to 2/3 psb or more but ppl usually split their range with this sizing on this kind of board so I’ll c/r that pretty aggressively.

The K3 hand I wanted to just x/f the turn. Don’t think that’s reasonable though w/ 22% vs a flush + implieds, then the chance I’m already good. I think I’d x/f river unimproved

J9 I wasn’t too sure about the turn. I do see merit in betting. Unlike the K3 hand when I x/c at least I know there are straight draws. Like Daniel said calling is better vs co than earlier positions because of available off suit broadways.

AdJx would make a nice call down. Mapping this out in equilab you can really see how large of a % his value range is nut flushes.

Results- I sigh called and he had KhTd

Damn why did you post results so soon. I was going to say c/c flop is much easier to play an what I would probably do. But now that you got to the river this way you have to call.

Lot of people generally play the pio sizings/ ranges pretty well on dry boards, but they're extremely unbalanced on boards like this. You're going to see a bunch of Ax with the Ad, KT, QT, KQ etc with a diamond, because they can profitably bet/call flop and bluff a ton of run outs or get paid when they hit.. With their value hands and big draws they usually just bomb it/ don't care if they get c/r.

With your specific hand you don't block anything he bet/calls flop with (irt his range with that sizing).

You gotta be quicker

Games r dead

Ah feels good to get validated. Yeah I just expect 200z regs to see a big diamond and bluff with all of them not realizing they're overbluffing there due to their value range being capped at ~20 combos. And then, as upswinging alluded to earlier, there's the small cbet sizing which makes strong combo draws less likely and removes more combos of flush draws.

Back from vegas, played about 45 hours. Glad it's over because I need a little break from the live pokers. One thing I like about live is being able to focus on one hand at a time with a lot of downtime to think about it after, compared to online where sometimes you're just mashing buttons and might miss something subtle you should/could have done better.


10/20

Open lj 60 QsQx (3k), hj mp btn call. 4 way

Flop(270) J96r
x x x btn bets 130, I call.

Turn(530) 7ss
I x/c 300

River(1130) 6s
x, bet 800


p.s. btn is snowball2

its a call if you think sb can turn top pair into a bluff

Flop is 160 n turn is 400

lol

Just fold bc if we can’t count we can’t range



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sigh call. villain could value bet worse? (J9 or AJ).

I think having the Qs is good. It does block QTs which isn't that bad because one of those QTs makes a flush.

If villain has KQo or QTo in range I think it makes a very easy call.

Pokerarb- any thoughts on this hand?

It's a very ugly spot. If villain is aware, it's clear to both that you have a bluff catcher, so it comes down to how thinly you think he can go for value vrs how many bluffs he fires this size otr.

Also preflop matters a lot here. How wide he's over calling btn will determine how many bluffs he can arrive to river with. For instance, if he has a bunch of kqo, QTo, KTo stuff pre that's likely to barrel off and creates many potential bluff combos and id be inclined to call. If not, it's kind of hard 4 way to see what can even empty the clip here as a bluff so I'd prefer to fold.

I'll also add I much prefer a cbet here for value and to fold out various villains equity on the flop. If called on the flop, I'd be looking to then slow down. As played, think x isn't much worse and the turn is a snap call b/c he may even value bet worse. I'm inclined to big sigh and muck river as played.

You mentioned you know villain. Any reads? More bluffy? More nitty? Etc. Should help inform a better decision

You forgot to add that V has seen H xc an overpair oop in a previous hand

why no bet flop?

Yeah could add a lot of meta stuff like V has seen tons of hands i've posted itt.

Think you could go either way but I do like betting flop. More loose passive lineup I'm always betting.