78, 89 make good triples to thinking guys with fold button. But even then they still somehow find the calldown with AQ/AJ often. That said, there's also some merit to xing flop with some of your 8x and midpairs.

99-jj all xback try to get sd. I also tend to xback qq kk too as I don't think most average guys look at TT and decide to hero turn. With the right dynamic maybe you can start betting turn for thin val. If they also x river I might go bcb with jj-kk vrs some for river val. Since I'm xback turn with a lot of 99-kk I want some ax so I have some no brainier bluff catches otr. Astute regs are definitely capable of turning a mid pair into a bluff to fold out JJ+ on this runout.

The ace turn here is actually super interesting and it really depends on specific Dynamics to know what's best for your range

I agree I’m mainly xing those hands but was talking about from co’s perspective facing a turn bet.

Also yes good regs are capable of turning hands into bluffs after a turn x but I’m ok making the adjustment of over folding river/leaving my turn x range weak with the assumption the pool on avg. will not

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 133.78 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 102.5 BB
UTG: 86.7 BB
MP: 139.13 BB
CO: 125.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, BTN calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (23.5 BB, 2 players) T 7 3
Hero bets 12.75 BB, BTN calls 12.75 BB

Turn: (49 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 17.5 BB, Hero calls 17.5 BB

River: (84 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 84 BB


Lots of draws miss but not a great hand blocker wise. Fold?

I would x/f turn or call/call this runout.

Kind of set yourself up with the turn x/c.

You still beat KQhh, K9hh, Q9hh, 98hh, 98s, 97hh, 87hh, 86hh, 76hh, 75hh, 65hh, 54hh, etc.

Well played if he ships AX on river.

You're posting insightful spots. Defintely hands with high learning potential for both bb and btb. Bottom line, you need to know your V. Will he bluff once and give up? Will he rip in some bluffs otr (it's a good play)? Does he see your range as weak so will always bluff?

In general, I don't love call once then fold lines, but solvers advocate it and it's probably right. Also, your hand blocks many bluffs, I'd rather xf jhjx turn and xc my black KK and the like. Obviously, mix in some never folds too.

Think folding the Jh combos is fine. Rather call something like 67ss/JT I think.

Definitely a lot of available bluffs in his range

Good questions. In this anonymous zoom format I have to go off what I think the pool does on avg. since we're unknown every hand. I think in general it's as simple as the more combos of bluffs available (missed draws), the more the spot will be bluffed on avg.

Agree with the call/fold lines, normally I'd reserve that line for a pair+fd. In theory and in practice I'd have some call/folds just like he'll have some stab/give ups.

OTR he realistically he has about 11-12 value (discount that as sets will raise flop some %), so if he's jamming 61 into 84 anything more than 5 combos is overbluffing. With what he has available I think it's pretty easy to go overboard so I should prob be liberal with my calldowns. Question is am I that confident in my assumption that I just station down everything, or do I fold some hands almost as an insurance to my assumption.
Agree this is probably the worst bluff catcher I can have, those hands make better calls.

I folded, he had 54cc.

Ahh well, gonna get bluffed plenty in life. But it does bring up an interesting point about knowing what frequency this needs to be a call at... Like just knowing what hands are good as bluff catchers and which are bad doesn't really helps us much if we don't know how many of them to actually call with...

Obv the main point is that you recognise through removal (and other factors if removal is less relevant) which hands constitute your best bluffcatchers and why. And then you just need to make sure you're getting the frequency right, i.e. of my bluff catchers, how many do I need to call with so the frequency is about right and then how much do we deviate based on player/pop reads. That's the tough part imo and it's something I simply cannot do on the fly. I'm guessing the solution is to simply know how many combinations you have in your range at any one point in a hand and then based on sizings you can figure out what bluff/value combos to use for certain sizes and what call/fold freqs to use vs certain bets.

Is anyone actually doing this **** in real time? Or is the best you can humanly do, review the spot after the fact and get a general idea so that next time you get into the spot, you have a general idea of which ones are best?

PS if anyone knows any ways to improve on this, hmu!

Idk everyone's a nit, people tend to way underbluffs rivs. Also he can have 12 AQ.

I don't think anyone is being precise in real time unless they're rainman. It's always a ballpark guess. Also, I think in a lot of scenarios trying to stick to an mdf is not practical or theoretically correct. If you look at solver solutions a lot of the time river call freq. will be much different than an mdf % based on range imbalances. Certain lines will always be overfolded, eg. the below hand xr flop, bet turn, x river line. You will be x/f river "too much" but it's not something to worry about. It's not like the IP cant float the turn with any two to bluff river since he's getting barreled so often. I would try to take a more exploitative approach by looking at his range and how likely he is to have bluffs or sdv, then look at his tendencies, then consider your own range as the least important factor.

True. Maybe 4b pre, x turn, or go smaller otr, but definitely can be in his range.


More bluff catching spots:

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 24.68 BB
SB: 97.93 BB
Hero (BB): 180.85 BB
UTG: 84.28 BB
MP: 154.2 BB
CO: 132.05 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 6

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9 5 9
Hero checks, CO bets 3.25 BB, Hero raises to 9.5 BB, CO calls 6.25 BB

Turn: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 17.75 BB, CO calls 17.75 BB

River: (61 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets 32 BB,



PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 51.13 BB
Hero (BB): 139.91 BB
UTG: 102.78 BB
MP: 367.76 BB
CO: 286.98 BB
BTN: 111.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 2.85 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, UTG calls 9.16 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) J 6 K
Hero bets 8 BB, UTG calls 8 BB

Turn: (40.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG bets 20.51 BB, Hero calls 20.51 BB

River: (81.52 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, UTG bets 62.27 BB and is all-in

More good spots

69. River x good. Calling now is the worst of the 3 options
AK find myself in this turn spot often. Hate life. Tell myself I can call turn wide bc I'll play sets/straight like this too. End up always getting jammed on otr and then folding AK and costing myself 20bb (this adds up fast). Can't remember someone actually not showing up with AQ+. If you're feeling extra spicey you block the world otr and donk jam could be interesting (12 AQ combos to Target for folds, a huge part of their likely range)

Hand 1 I ended up folding river, he 97dd. Hand 2 I agree turn sucks but I don't think x/f is an option. River I think I made a pretty big mistake. Tried to convince myself I should call bc "blockerz, near top of range, etc" when in my gut I know he wont have enough bluffs. Aq gets there which could be a huge part of his range. He ended up having QJcc

It sucked moving up, coming out the gate and immediately getting stuck 12 bi. It's one of those times where I start questioning every decision I make because it feels like I'm always wrong (results wise). Funny how this game is such a mind ****. Definitely some bad play mixed in with objectively running horrible. Shouldn't be an excuse. Discipline to quit when off your A game, take days off, study, etc is so important. Fortunately ran hot again so i'm close to break even after 10k hands. Pretty confident I'm at least a small winner in these games but only time will tell.

fold both

I think xfing the turn with AK is hugely "exploitable" but most people are just loaded here. Reasonable regs know you have some AA AK kk when you x turn. If you do decide to call turn, even fewer people bluff into this range otr. I think QJ would have been in a disgusting spot if you donk jam.

Another similar spot. Just happened have to wait for results.

1/2
I open co 5 KQdc, btn calls. HU K36shh I cbet 6.50 into 9.90, call. Turn 4d I bet 18 into 22.90, call. River Jh I x/f to 38 into 58.9

Not sure what I just did. Gonna post this one now before I see results and puke in 24 hours

1/2 Hj opens 5, I 3b btn 16 w/ 99, bb cold calls, hj calls. Flop K93r, x,x, I cbet 38 into 49, bb calls. Turn Ao bb leads 30 into 125, I raise to 90, he calls. River K (305), he open jams for my 350 behind

Fold 99, not close

It's this live?


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Online. I folded but I’ll get to see his hole cards in 24 hrs. Line looks like it’s from a rec player I’m just hoping he’s not over playing KQ or something.

you think a rec is gonna x/c flop and donk an ace turn? 33 might but would slow down OTR (assuming he even calls pre with it). 99 is a fold imo.

He donked less than 1/4 pot so idk maybe could be a blocking bet. My range is super strong on the river though so the overbet jam into me for all those bbs seems nutted and yeah maybe 99 is an "easy" fold. At the time it was an extremely tough lay down cuz on the turn I was mentally counting my winnings

This. Its a trivial fold man

Insert gus hansen clip about folding full houses

I'm on the turn thinking about vegas, the mirage, hookers, blow and the 500 bb pot I'm about to win since i put em on AK. River turned out to be the best I could hope for besides a 9 because it let me get away. He had quads.

For the KQ hand he had 87hh

On the 99 hand is it because of V's cold call from hero's 3bet we basically narrow his hand down to AA/AK/KK? Aren't those hands more likely to 4 bet pre? Especially if V is in the blinds I feel like V's are more inclined to throw in a 4 bet. Idk I guess I'm just not seeing the easy fold. Definitely a weird line V took with that hand. Are we able to just discount V having possibly KQ or even KJ? I feel like I've seen players cold call with those hands especially if they're suited. Nice fold btw