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Old 09-21-2017, 12:02 PM   #326
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Re: Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

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You was referencing the collective not you individually, though i would include you in that collective.

This is 2017 online poker in a nutshell:

"Villain is throwing a perfectly balanced range of rock paper scissors, with no concern for our own range. How do we challenge that strategy?"

2p2 answers: "gto blah blah balance blah solver blah libratus blah blah"

This is live poker in 2017, 2003, 3046, whatever.

"Villain is throwing rock 97% of the time. He also has bad bo and his ass crack is showing. How do we challenge that strategy"

2p2 answers: "gto blah blah balance blah solver blah libratus blah blah"

When the answer is clearly to throw paper, get a seat change,
and take a picture of him and post to people of wal-mart.
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Old 09-21-2017, 03:46 PM   #327
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Last post I swear irt the hand history. For those that are dying to know what he had.. it was probably the rare spazz/idk what he was doing 4b with AQs, that went for pot control on the flop (cuz thats what all the vids/coaches are probably doing), he comfortably c/c turn because:

1. You probably 5b AA
2. He blocks AA anyways,
3. He also blocks QQ,
4. You probably dont sqz JJ 100%
5. You have a bunch of combos of AK that flat the 4b pre and xb the flop, that
6. bet on the turn when checked to but gives up on the river.

... So when you bet the river he knows AQ is basically never good and that you were playing smart with a strong hand.


tbh i cant believe any person who plays as big as 5/10 and who's considered a regular, to be c/c AKo here. It's unbelievable.

It's an interesting exercise as to what villain actually had. Thanks for sharing the HH
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:06 PM   #328
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Re: Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

You can never be too careful with Kings.

1) 2/5 full table I open 20 utg KK, utg1(nittier tag bumhunter reg) 3b 85, I call. 900 eff.

Flop(177) T75r
I x/c 125

Turn(427) Jo
I x/c 275

River(977) 4
x, he jams 415



2) 5/10/20 ep limp, LJ raises 80, I call HJ 87cc, CO calls, Btn calls, Limper calls.

5 way
Flop(435) T95hhs
x, x, I x, CO reg bets 300, just I call. 2.5k eff with CO

Turn(1,035) Ko
x,x

River 4
I should...

a) bet 500
b) jam 2,500
c) x/give up
d) other


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Old 11-05-2017, 07:44 PM   #329
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getting interesting, gl
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:26 PM   #330
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hand 2

d) $1500. I dont think theres that much of a difference between smaller overbet and big one in this spot,, specifically in live poker where its unlikely they will be calling at the correct MDF
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Old 11-28-2017, 01:16 PM   #331
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Old 11-28-2017, 01:20 PM   #332
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Ended up hero folding KK in hand 1 taking into account his nitty vb tendencies and also some lol live stuff. He tanked a while before he jammed which I think heavily discounts bluffs. More like a "should I value bet?" tank as opposed to a "should I bluff?". IMO people are way less likely to bluff rivers after a super long tank. I also thought he was genuinely thinking (eye movement/squinting eyes) as opposed to balancing his tanking range (dead face blank stare). These assumptions are things I observe in myself so I think they may apply to other players. Feel free to chime in if you think it's bs.

I was pretty confident he wouldn't vb QQ but of course all of the above goes out the window if he would. I also thought he wouldn't run it enough with AK (plus I have 2 kings) or other bluffs vs my utg range. The live stuff was more icing on the cake to make me happier with a fold. Unfortunately he had the 1 combo KK.

Hand 2 yes his range is strong betting into 4 ppl but I don't see how I shouldn't bluff my literal worst hand I get to the river with. Can at least fold out missed draws, although I'm afraid those draws may have picked up sdv OTT. I thought an overbet jam might make sense because in practice nobody is xing back QJ OTT and I can very reasonably have that. Ended up bluffing 500 and got called by T9.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:52 PM   #333
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I agree w/your tank read but when i tank jam its always 5 high and it always gets snapped.

Pretty sure i dump or 3b the 78s and start cc'ing around 9Ts. Its an obv cc from btn and close from CO, imo. Dont like a 3b vs iso's fwiw.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:22 PM   #334
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I agree w/your tank read but when i tank jam its always 5 high and it always gets snapped.



Pretty sure i dump or 3b the 78s and start cc'ing around 9Ts. Its an obv cc from btn and close from CO, imo. Dont like a 3b vs iso's fwiw.


Yeah could be too loose pre. I usually wouldn't cold call it online but live in this spot vs a loose opener and some weak players behind I might be able to get away with it. Not really sure
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:28 PM   #335
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BLAH

1) 5/10 hj post, btn (slight losing/breakeven reg) raises 50, I 3b sb AQo 200, he calls. HU

Flop(420) A54r

I bet 150, he jams for ~1300 total


2) 5/10/20 utg2 opens 60, I call LJ AJhh, btn raises 275 (good reg), utg2 folds, I call. 3.5k eff.

Flop(645) QT5sds

x, he cbets 200, I call

Turn(1045) 7h
x,x

River 3o
I bet 500


3) 2/5 I open 20 LJ KTcc, co calls, btn reg calls (~700)

Flop(65) KJ6dss
x, x, btn bets 40, I call, co folds

Turn(145) 3h
x, btn bets 115, I call

River(375) 2
x, btn jams 550.......

One or two more sessions to go for the year.

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Old 11-29-2017, 05:47 PM   #336
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God his shove in h1 is so bad im actually tilted reading that hh
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:07 AM   #337
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Sigh calling hand 3
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:26 AM   #338
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fold h1.
fold AJhh OTF h2. As played bluff is fine. Would likly go 95% pot. Repping KQs+.
fold h3
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:09 AM   #339
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God his shove in h1 is so bad im actually tilted reading that hh
Result might be more tilting

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fold h1.
fold AJhh OTF h2. As played bluff is fine. Would likly go 95% pot. Repping KQs+.
fold h3
I'm noticing a theme here

Hand 1 had me really confused. Why would you jam that flop that size? What value hand would want to do this on an A high rainbow board? I tanked for a while and my decision basically came down to thinking I have no idea wtf he's doing and it's a disaster if he has spaz here and I fold AQ, Fk it this hand is too high in my range, etc...call.

He has 73o. I can't hold. This was a pretty rare "I'm gonna outplay this, guy this hand" moment from him.

Inb4 u play in the best games in the country.

Hand 2) I can't see folding flop vs a <1/3 sizing with a nut gutter + over card. Got the best result otr of long tank/fold.

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Sigh calling hand 3
Hand 3) River bluff catching may be one of my biggest leaks. The call x% of your range approach can be a good in some situations but I've noticed it tends to make me paranoid and I start finding all kind of excuses to call way too much. There's this one coach I listen to that preaches a simplified decision tree in these spots...a) Do I beat any value bet? If yes call, if no b) Am I confident the pool/this player is bluffing this spot enough? Obviously these two questions are most relevant but if I'm really like I have no clue to question b then I think mdf can be a good concept to fall back on.

In this spot at 2/5, no I'm not confident this river jam range has >38% bluffs. QTs if he has it pre...some lower fds, maybe T9s. He also started the flop bet into 2 players which is relevant. Meh. I have a T in my hand. Yes this is probably one of the best hands i'd get to river with, but I folded. Later on I ran into him outside the poker room and he said he had JJ
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:21 AM   #340
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Hand 3) River bluff catching may be one of my biggest leaks. The call x% of your range approach can be a good in some situations but I've noticed it tends to make me paranoid and I start finding all kind of excuses to call way too much. There's this one coach I listen to that preaches a simplified decision tree in these spots...a) Do I beat any value bet? If yes call, if no b) Am I confident the pool/this player is bluffing this spot enough? Obviously these two questions are most relevant but if I'm really like I have no clue to question b then I think mdf can be a good concept to fall back on.

In this spot at 2/5, no I'm not confident this river jam range has >38% bluffs. QTs if he has it pre...some lower fds, maybe T9s. He also started the flop bet into 2 players which is relevant. Meh. I have a T in my hand. Yes this is probably one of the best hands i'd get to river with, but I folded. Later on I ran into him outside the poker room and he said he had JJ
Decent enough approach, I like it. I agree most aren't going to be ripping many bluffs here at all. Sucks we're about as high up in our range as possible but that's irrelevant if they always have value. Guess then it just comes down to player - if they ain't going to pull that trigger when the most obv draws miss, I guess we can make a very xplo fold.

nh

AQ hand fwiw I think is totally villain dependent... Like OMC will always have a set here, if they're below the age of 40 and have any spazz in them ever, think we have to call.
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Old 12-04-2017, 02:26 AM   #341
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I think people said fold in H1 cuz you called that guy a "breaking even reg" instead of a whale Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

H2 - use a really big sizing if you bluff

H3 - fold is right
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:32 AM   #342
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I think people said fold in H1 cuz you called that guy a "breaking even reg" instead of a whale Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10
+1

If the guy jams 73o then he obv is retarded and "breakeven reg" isnt a good description.

As for AJhh, OOP with no backdoors its a fold vs a good reg. If board was QT6ssh, then its a call. If the reg is weak and will x turn alot then yeah u can call.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:24 PM   #343
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Yeah the description doesn't match the hand result. After the hand he said when he decided to play the hand he was gonna try to bluff me regardless of the flop lololol. I'd say in general he's relatively nitty when a lot of money goes in but every once in a blue moon will go ape **** w/ a hand like this. Once i saw him fold kk pre as two lags got it in with AQ and TT. I kinda had the read he plays generally straight forward vs me but clearly not.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:48 PM   #344
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I mean, he opened 73o.
Then he called a 4x 3bet with it.
Then he jammed an ace high flop in a 3bet pot as the non 3better...when he had a fistpump flatting combo to boot.

I'm sorry to prove your inb4 correct but if this is someone you previously confused for a breakeven reg then you do in fact play in the second best games in the country.

(Kangaroo land takes the gold from what I see in meale's thread)
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:51 AM   #345
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I mean, he opened 73o.
Then he called a 4x 3bet with it.
Then he jammed an ace high flop in a 3bet pot as the non 3better...when he had a fistpump flatting combo to boot.

I'm sorry to prove your inb4 correct but if this is someone you previously confused for a breakeven reg then you do in fact play in the second best games in the country.

(Kangaroo land takes the gold from what I see in meale's thread)
Nah rake 2 hi for that to be true.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:30 PM   #346
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H1 is a fold. It's a ridiculous leveling spot which at a minimum is AK.

H2 is a fold pre. I don't care that you're deep and that you probably have immediate odds to call. Being out of position with a capped range against a good player is just really, really hard to overcome.

I know someone will probably say it's better to backraise than fold if you think he's squeezing light, but it's just so obvious you don't have a premium hand, he could probably jam on you with any Ax and show an immediate profit.

H3 is a fold. You don't have the right hand to bluff catch with. Turn is close between a c/f and a c/r. As played it's a fold. As a general rule, when opponents choose standard value sizing on flop and turn, and then put in a huge bet on the river, it's never a bluff. What happens is they have a perceived value hand, but they aren't good at thinking multiple streets ahead/ getting the sizing right for stacks.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:01 PM   #347
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Pre is obviously lol, but jamming a double gutter in a big pot with a lot of FE can't be that poor
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:23 PM   #348
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Pre is obviously lol, but jamming a double gutter in a big pot with a lot of FE can't be that poor
Yeah flop is whatever given it's btn vs sb/ that board/sizing but V def whaled hard to even get to the flop
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:02 PM   #349
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Raising oe is so 2008 tho

Esp vs hero's sizing he has a pretty clear flat, his whole continue range wants to flat, hero has more nutted range adv, and villain auto wins on alot of hero turn checks.

But i just realized I'm giving advice on how to play 73o, so Im gonna stop here.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:39 PM   #350
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Flatting oe is so 2015 thoMoving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

My initial reaction is that it's an easy flat but vs andees as the V i can get behind raising some of the time
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