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04-02-2012 , 05:10 PM
Hi!

Background
I've been playing FR cashgames for about 2 years now. I started at 5NL at FTP and worked my way up to 25NL. At some point I decided to play 50NL HUcash, bad decision #1. As to be expected, things didn't go so well but I still had a healthy roll. I continued playing HU to chase my losses, bad decision #2. I lost 2/3 of my bankroll and had no other choice than to switch to FR again. I started playing Rush instead of the normal tables, I wasn't a winning player but stayed alive because of rakeback. I bought some coaching which really improved my game and I started winning again, both at Rush and at the normal tables. Then FTP went down just as I was about to take a shot at 25NL again. My coach staked me and I managed to make about $50 before I decided to quit the staking.

The challenge
I'll be starting at the 2NL FR Zoom tables and hopefully make my way up to 10NL. I've already played about 15k hands at 2NL, 5NL and 10NL.

Things so far


As you can see, I've played most of those 15k hands at 5NL. But due to my severe loss today I'll be dropping down to 2NL to rebuild. At the moment my bankroll is $58.85.

BB won over hands played:


$ won over hands played:


Positional stats:


I know I still have a couple of big leaks. My cbetting is way too high but I'm working on it! Should you notice anything else, feel free to tell me. I'm playing a bit looser than most TAGs. This is probably because I try to play a lot from LP and steal a lot. So far I've been 3betting mostly for value, I don't have enough hands on most villains to start 3betting light.

Anyway, wish me luck!

Last edited by Sworaven; 04-02-2012 at 05:11 PM. Reason: 300th post!
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04-03-2012 , 05:52 AM
Subbed GL.

1st advice if you insist on playing Zoom is to just play pretty straightforward as peoples ranges in general are tighter than in the normal games. I would also say to still play the normal games because these will probably be easier to win money in than the Zoom games. Rush was great because of the added bonus of Rakeback but they have dropped the rewards for playing Zoom so it isnt going to have the same impact.

Your 1st set of stats seem quite strange. To say you play quite loose your not going to SD that often and when you do your not winning as much as you probably should. That may just be some run bad over the small sample but might be a case of you folding some hands that are good but also might be just the results of how the Zoom games play. Also looks like you may be playing a touch too aggressive which suggests that you might be check/folding in some spots where you could be check/calling but thats probably a case of going over some hands to take a look at that.

Again its a small sample size but its looks like you are doing well in the SB but you are getting totally killed in the BB so its worth checking and seeing why because your at like -140bb/100 when you really should be -40bb/100 or less.

Positional stats look pretty good but you could obviously tone it down a bit from the BTN because your win rate should be a ton higher from there so you are leaking money from somewhere. Again you need to try and figure out why. The same probably goes for the SB and i doubt a 94% ATS is going to be profitable. You are not giving up that much by tightening your range here as you will end up winning more pots post flop because you have a stronger range and not spewing when your playing with the bottom end of your range.

Not so much of a massive leak at these levels but you are folding too much to 3bets, especially in the CO and BTN where your probably missing some opportunities to call or even 4bet bluff but like i say thats something to work on and its better to be over cautious than to never fold to a 3bet so its not something to over do.

As you know your cbet stats are way way too high. It looks like you are just blindly cbetting and theres a lot of spots where you should just be check/folding or even check/calling rather than just firing a cbet. I think most good players usually fall between the 60-70% mark as they are constantly thinking about board textures and villains ranges. Say you have AK against a generic Tag and the flop comes 567 two tone, i would hazard a guess that you are just firing a cbet when its a board where you wont get a lot of folds against his range and you could just check/fold. Now thats an extreme example but you probably get what im getting at.

I like your cbet Turn stat but with your cbet flop stat so high and your aggression so high we can be comfortable calling your cbet and then betting when you check knowing we are taking the pot down. We dont want opponents to be as comfortable as that playing against us but again that comes back to your high cbet stat.

Your fold to cbet stats look pretty good so its obvious your high AF comes from too much cbetting and check/folding and missing some spots where its profitable to check/call.

Just going back to the 3bet thing and where you say you arnt 3betting light. I think once you get some stats on people you can start throwing in the odd 3bet bluff but i would do it strictly against Tags who are showing signs that they may be able to fold and i would do it against their MP/HJ/CO opens when we are in position and use hands like Kxs, Qxs. I was going to say hands like Axs as well but im usually calling with those but if your not comfortable with that then they make good 3bet bluff hands. The same goes for hands like KJo where its not quite good enough to call so its the very top of our folding range which usually makes it a good candidate for a 3bet bluff.

In the blinds i would stick mainly to CO/Btn opens and would be using the same sort of hands but i will occasionally use hands like Axo as well but we need to remember we are doing it as a bluff and proceed with caution when we get called.

Just my initial thoughts and hopefully there something in there that may be of help.
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04-03-2012 , 12:57 PM
Best of luck mate!
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04-03-2012 , 03:56 PM
Quick update. I haven't been able to play today because my PT4 database had to be updated after their latest patch. It's been running for nearly 5 hours now, hopefully I'll still be able to play a bit today, but I doubt it. Can't do anything with PT4 while it's updating.

Since I can't really do anything I read the COTW about adjusting to donkbets vs different playertypes (link). This is something I'm having trouble with as well. Also, I've almost finished Elements of Poker by Tommy Angelo. I skipped the parts about live poker and tournaments since they don't really apply to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MartL
Subbed GL.

1st advice if you insist on playing Zoom is to just play pretty straightforward as peoples ranges in general are tighter than in the normal games. I would also say to still play the normal games because these will probably be easier to win money in than the Zoom games. Rush was great because of the added bonus of Rakeback but they have dropped the rewards for playing Zoom so it isnt going to have the same impact.

Tbh, I'd rather play the normal tables. Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time to play poker anymore now that I started working. The way I see it, I'm able to spend my entire session playing at the tables instead of sacrificing time tableselecting, waiting for a spot to open up on a table and keeping an eye on how good the tables are that I'm playing. But you do have a point when you say people are tighter in Zoom than in the normal games.

Your 1st set of stats seem quite strange. To say you play quite loose your not going to SD that often and when you do your not winning as much as you probably should. That may just be some run bad over the small sample but might be a case of you folding some hands that are good but also might be just the results of how the Zoom games play. Also looks like you may be playing a touch too aggressive which suggests that you might be check/folding in some spots where you could be check/calling but thats probably a case of going over some hands to take a look at that.

Again its a small sample size but its looks like you are doing well in the SB but you are getting totally killed in the BB so its worth checking and seeing why because your at like -140bb/100 when you really should be -40bb/100 or less.

I noticed my WTSD and W$SD stats have been weird. I'll try to figure out if it's because of the small samplesize or because of the I'm playing.

Yesterday, I did take a look at the all hands I've played from the big blind and it seems I'm getting coolered quite a bit. So it will probably even out when I get a more decent samplesize.


Positional stats look pretty good but you could obviously tone it down a bit from the BTN because your win rate should be a ton higher from there so you are leaking money from somewhere. Again you need to try and figure out why. The same probably goes for the SB and i doubt a 94% ATS is going to be profitable. You are not giving up that much by tightening your range here as you will end up winning more pots post flop because you have a stronger range and not spewing when your playing with the bottom end of your range.

I'm not 100% sure because I can't check PT atm, but I think I'm getting involved in too much big pots from the BTN and probably going to SD too much. I kind of agree with you on what you're saying about the SB. I often catch myself not really paying attention to who's in the BB while I'm in the SB in an unopened pot. I'll happilly open with ATC vs players who fold their blinds vs a steal a lot. But I probably need to be more selective when facing villains who don't often fold preflop.

Not so much of a massive leak at these levels but you are folding too much to 3bets, especially in the CO and BTN where your probably missing some opportunities to call or even 4bet bluff but like i say thats something to work on and its better to be over cautious than to never fold to a 3bet so its not something to over do.

I guess I give people more credit when they 3bet me because of how much tighter Zoom is compared to the normal tables.

As you know your cbet stats are way way too high. It looks like you are just blindly cbetting and theres a lot of spots where you should just be check/folding or even check/calling rather than just firing a cbet. I think most good players usually fall between the 60-70% mark as they are constantly thinking about board textures and villains ranges. Say you have AK against a generic Tag and the flop comes 567 two tone, i would hazard a guess that you are just firing a cbet when its a board where you wont get a lot of folds against his range and you could just check/fold. Now thats an extreme example but you probably get what im getting at.

I like your cbet Turn stat but with your cbet flop stat so high and your aggression so high we can be comfortable calling your cbet and then betting when you check knowing we are taking the pot down. We dont want opponents to be as comfortable as that playing against us but again that comes back to your high cbet stat.

Your fold to cbet stats look pretty good so its obvious your high AF comes from too much cbetting and check/folding and missing some spots where its profitable to check/call.

I think my cbetting is my biggest and most important leak that needs fixing atm. Especially OOP. I'll keep your advice in mind! I'll most likely read a couple of COTW's again involving cbetting.

Just going back to the 3bet thing and where you say you arnt 3betting light. I think once you get some stats on people you can start throwing in the odd 3bet bluff but i would do it strictly against Tags who are showing signs that they may be able to fold and i would do it against their MP/HJ/CO opens when we are in position and use hands like Kxs, Qxs. I was going to say hands like Axs as well but im usually calling with those but if your not comfortable with that then they make good 3bet bluff hands. The same goes for hands like KJo where its not quite good enough to call so its the very top of our folding range which usually makes it a good candidate for a 3bet bluff.

In the blinds i would stick mainly to CO/Btn opens and would be using the same sort of hands but i will occasionally use hands like Axo as well but we need to remember we are doing it as a bluff and proceed with caution when we get called.

In normal games I usually have a higher 3bet percentage, it's mostly between 4%-6%. I guess I'm just waiting until I have more hands on people, so I know who I can 3bet light.

Just my initial thoughts and hopefully there something in there that may be of help.
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by ShellysAshes
Best of luck mate!
Thanks a lot mate!
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04-03-2012 , 05:06 PM
GL!
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04-04-2012 , 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reivas
GL!
Thanks! Interesting avatar ;D.

Wasn't able to put in a lot of hands because the HUD for Zoom wouldn't work. Pokertracker released a new update that fixed the problem so I still was able to put in a little over 1k hands. My bankroll is $71.80.



As you can see, I've been stealing and cbetting less. I've been check/calling more. My 3bet% seems ridiculously low tho. Probably just because of the small samplesize.




These are my 2 biggest winning hands for tonight.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $0.57
SB: $2.09
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.64
Hero (UTG+1): $2.79
UTG+2: $4.13
MP: $2.25
MP+1: $2.01
CO: $7.18

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A A

UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.36, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.34, Hero raises to $2.79 and is all-in, CO raises to $7.18 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.28 and is all-in

Flop: ($7.25, 3 players) 6 Q 2

Turn: ($7.25, 3 players) T

River: ($7.25, 3 players) 8

Spoiler:
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 66%, Flop 77%, Turn 90%)
UTG mucks 4 4 (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 16%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
CO mucks K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $7.00


This hand happened a bit later. Yes, I'm a lucky bastard!

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.10
SB: $2.91
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.07
UTG+1: $1.83
UTG+2: $2.28
MP: $1.97
Hero (MP+1): $7.07
CO: $5.89

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO raises to $0.18, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39, 2 players) J K T
Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.54

Turn: ($1.99, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $1.45, CO calls $1.45

River: ($4.89, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $4.64 and is all-in, CO calls $3.46 and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows A Q (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 65%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
CO mucks J K (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks) (Pre 35%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins $11.51


And now a couple more serious hands.

Hand 1

Villain was a 13/9 over 48 hands. He has a Flop Cbet of 2/2. His Fold to Raise after Cbet was 1/1. I'm not sure if checkraising him was such a good idea. The board is fairly dry and I think he won't continue with any garbage hands after I raise.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.96
SB: $5.72
Hero (BB): $2.21
UTG: $4.26
UTG+1: $1.89
UTG+2: $2.20
MP: $2.21
MP+1: $1.44
CO: $1.83

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.08, fold, fold, SB calls $0.07, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.24, 3 players) 7 Q 2
SB checks, Hero checks, MP+1 bets $0.11, fold, Hero raises to $0.34, MP+1 raises to $1.25, fold

Spoiler:
MP+1 wins $0.89


Hand 2

Villain is an unknown. What do you think about my small bet on the river? Should I have checkcalled?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.12
SB: $2.29
BB: $2.59
UTG: $3.80
UTG+1: $1.70
Hero (UTG+2): $2.40
MP: $2.99
MP+1: $1.95
CO: $2.03

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, MP+1 calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 3 5 Q
Hero bets $0.10, MP+1 calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) J
Hero bets $0.20, MP+1 calls $0.20

River: ($0.75, 2 players) K
Hero bets $0.28, MP+1 raises to $1.24, Hero calls $0.96

Spoiler:
MP+1 shows A 7 (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 33%, Flop 47%, Turn 27%)
Hero mucks K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 67%, Flop 53%, Turn 73%)
MP+1 wins $3.12
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04-05-2012 , 06:13 AM
The first AQ hand looks fine, i dont mind calling the 3bet and trying to hit, you could probably go bigger on the turn though but thats neither here nor there.

The second AQ hand i hate the check/raise and then fold. I think if you do check/raise you should be prepared to stack off if villain shoves. That said i think just calling lets the villain make more mistakes in the hand, the raise just lets him play well against us unless we know he is capable of getting it in with worse.

As much as it makes me feel dirty i think we have to fold when raised, i think your bet sizing looks fine, possiblyy could have gone bigger but the villain probably dosnt have a set because he would raise the flop or turn so the likleyhood is that he is just playing his hand face up and thats a really tough fold to make though.
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04-06-2012 , 07:51 AM
Won $6.20 yesterday, putting my bankroll at $78.10.




I played this hand wrong, he could be donking with so much I beat. Guess I was scared of being dominated. Villain was 40/20 over 21 hands.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $2.09
SB: $2.60
BB: $3.11
UTG: $1.92
UTG+1: $2.24
UTG+2: $1.28
MP: $2.25
MP+1: $1.19
CO: $0.97

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 3 2

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13, 2 players) 3 T 3
BB bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.39, 2 players) 5
BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($0.99, 2 players) 7
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50




This hand is nothing special, just want a linecheck.
Villain is 14/14 over 14 hands. No further reads.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.15
SB: $1.79
BB: $2.09
Hero (UTG): $2.21
UTG+1: $2.00
UTG+2: $1.97
MP: $2.47
MP+1: $5.60
CO: $1.18

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A K

Hero raises to $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) Q 7 8
Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.31, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($0.31, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15
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04-06-2012 , 08:07 AM
1st hand i think you have to raise somewhere and i think probably the turn is better once he bets again.

2nd hand looks well played. How tight these games play i wouldnt be surprised to see the villain show up with AQ lol.
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04-09-2012 , 12:28 PM
I've been sick the last few days. Haven't been able to play. I did play a bit on friday. Made $2.71, putting my bankroll at $80.81.

I'll definitely start taking shots at 5NL when I reach $100 but I'm wondering if I should start sooner? 80$ gives me 16 buyins for 5NL and that should definitely be sufficient. For now, I'll continue playing on 2NL since I've been out a couple of days.

Here are a couple of hands from my session on Friday.

Hand 1

Villain is unknown, no hands at all.

BTN: $0.56
SB: $0.99
BB: $1.34
UTG: $1.57
UTG+1: $3.29
UTG+2: $0.89
MP: $4.72
Hero (MP+1): $2.24
CO: $9.98

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, fold
Since he's an unknown and he made it 5x, I decided to just call. I don't think 3betting here is a good idea since we'll have to fold vs a 4bet.
Flop: ($0.23, 2 players) K Q A
MP checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12
I hit my set. But I really hate the board. Because he made it 5x PF, I'm a bit afraid that he might have AA/KK. I bet about halfpot to influence his betsizing if he checkraises. If he did checkraise, what would we do here? I don't think folding would be smart since there are more combo's possible of AQ/AK than there are of AA/KK.
Turn: ($0.47, 2 players) 2
MP checks, Hero checks
Guess I'm going for pot control here. Should I have bet?
River: ($0.47, 2 players) 2
MP bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12
I'm considering a raise here, but maybe that is what he hopes. With what will he call my raise? I'm guessing we either win a small pot or lose a big one.


Hand 2

I only have 4 hands on villain.

I guess this hand is pretty standard, I'm just trying to work on my cbetting. Should we cbet here, or should we check/call? How's my betsizing? Should it be bigger?
  • If we decide to cbet, I think he'll float us with a lot of garbage. So we should be prepared to fire another barrel OTT. But what if he actually has a hand and we see a river, how often do you think I'll be ahead?
  • If we decide to check/call, we're giving up initiative. And I think that will make it a lot easier for him to bluff us off our hand, especially when the turn and/or river is another overcard.
BTN: $2.89
SB: $1.12
BB: $3.17
UTG: $1.82
Hero (UTG+1): $4.17
UTG+2: $1.97
MP: $1.95
MP+1: $2.00
CO: $1.11

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 8 8

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.06, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) T T 9
Hero bets $0.08
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04-09-2012 , 12:43 PM
I don't know and maybe it's just me but I have noticed zoom not being as tight as everyone says it is. At 2nl, and 5nl....Seen lots of shoving with weak holdings and lately I have seen quite a few bluffs. I think it started off tight but has def loosened up with ppl realizing how tight everyone was playing. I do still think they play tight for the most part just saying I have been noticing a change.
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04-09-2012 , 03:00 PM
Just finished a session. Played a little over 1.1k hands. Up $2.69.

Here's my graph for 2NL Zoom so far.



Quote:
Originally Posted by lasthand man
I don't know and maybe it's just me but I have noticed zoom not being as tight as everyone says it is. At 2nl, and 5nl....Seen lots of shoving with weak holdings and lately I have seen quite a few bluffs. I think it started off tight but has def loosened up with ppl realizing how tight everyone was playing. I do still think they play tight for the most part just saying I have been noticing a change.
Well, it is 2&5NL, the games are going to be fishy. While it's true that the tightness of Zoom might be a little exaggerated sometimes, I still think it's nittier than the normal tables. I'v noticed this on my own stats. Usually when I play normal tables, I'm running at about 18/15. But at the Zoom tables my stats drop to 15/13. At normal tables it's easier to get reads on people because you're able to gather a lot more hands on them in a short period. At the Zoom tables, you're dropped in a playerpool and you won't be playing against a specific villain a lot. It will take a lot of time before you're able to get some decent reads. This makes it so much more difficult to play back at people. So to avoid putting themselves in risky or marginal situations, most players and regs tighten up and 3bet less. Well, at least, that's what I think.
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04-09-2012 , 04:50 PM
If you feel its going well theres nothing wrong with taking a few shots just to get a feel. Dont think too much about it and just try and play your normal game.

Hand 1 QQ. You should bet more on this flop. He can connect with it a load of ways and you want to get max value. If he check/raises i would just suck it up and get it in. You will be beat some of the time but you are seeing AK a lot as well.

On the turn no need for pot control when you have a big hand and its a blank card. Just bet away and go quite big again. The river is a yukky card because you dont know where you stand in the hand. I still think you could raise for value and occasionally get called by worse but if he raises your gonna be beat.

Hand 2 88. Because the villain is unknown im probably betting this flop as we take it down quite a lot. If called i will probably bet any overcard but check/fold any undercards apart from the 8.
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04-09-2012 , 07:20 PM
Played another session, finished it breakeven. My bankroll is around $83. Will probably try some 5NL tomorrow.
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04-10-2012 , 04:39 PM
So I decided to play 5NL today. I'm still playing 4 Zoom tables. Up $5.56 over a little more than 1.5k hands. Bankroll's at $88.75.

Hand 1

This is kind of a lol hand. Villain is complete unknown. Would you call his shove OTT?

Hero (BTN): $8.04
SB: $2.31
BB: $9.53
UTG: $5.92
UTG+1: $1.51
UTG+2: $16.62
MP: $5.32
MP+1: $4.54
CO: $5.12

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K Q

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.30, fold

Flop: ($0.82, 2 players) Q Q J
UTG bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.32, 2 players) 8
UTG bets $5.32 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.32

River: ($11.96, 2 players) 3

Spoiler:
UTG shows 5 A (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 61%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows K Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 39%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins $11.46


Hand 2

Villain is 12/8 over 166 hands. I did have a note that he played draws aggressively.

BTN: $6.01
SB: $1.35
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.48
UTG+1: $6.30
Hero (UTG+2): $5.00
MP: $11.33
MP+1: $5.07
CO: $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 9
Standard open
fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 3 8 7
Hero bets $0.20, BTN raises to $0.55, Hero calls $0.35
I'm not sure whether I should be calling or folding vs his raise. I decide to call because I do have an overpair and there are a good number of cards that can help me OTT (any 6 or T gives me an open-ended straight draw and a 9 gives me topset, so that's 10 outs). Or is this wishful thinking?
Turn: ($1.47, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70
His betsizing looks so weak, a little under halfpot. So I decide to call again, keeping the note that I have on him (played a draw aggresively) in the back of my mind. It's more likely that he'll have a flushdraw than a straightdraw I think. I don't see him calling PF with 9T or 56.
River: ($2.87, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN checks
The river pairs the board, but I don't think that changes much. Should he have bet again, are we still calling here?
Spoiler:
Hero shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Threes) (Pre 53%, Flop 49%, Turn 68%)
BTN mucks A Q (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 47%, Flop 51%, Turn 32%)
Hero wins $2.75
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04-11-2012 , 04:46 PM
Played 5NL again today. I'm up a little over 2 buy-ins. I'm less than $2 away from reaching $100. Things have been going well so far. Here are my results since I started this thread.





I can see I've been stealing and cbetting less. I've also been trying to 3bet more, but only the last couple of sessions. So I guess that's why my 3bet% is still a bit low. Overall I'm happy about the way I'm playing. But the big blind still seems a problem. I think I'm calling too much preflop when I could be 3betting instead. I'll take a look at it tomorrow.
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04-12-2012 , 05:40 AM
Hey looking good.

Loving the nice steady redline thats usually a good sign. Just a quick look at your stats and they are looking pretty good. I know your worried about the big blind but your loss rates from the blinds are just below the reccomended levels of 40bb/100 for the BB and 20bb/100 for the SB so thats what you need to be aiming for.

On the 3bet from the blinds thing it almost looks as though your stats are backwards because you should be 3betting more from the SB because some marginal hands become 3bet hands because theres still the BB to worry about where as theres a chance you are 3 betting hands against steals when you are in the BB when you could be calling and playing against a really wide range. It would be interesting to see your Cold Call %`s in the stats as well. Id maybe run filters for the times you 3bet from the blinds and also the times you cold call from the blinds as these may show up some leaks as you should be making money in both these situations.

Steal stats are looking pretty good although i still think you are stealing too much from the SB but it seems to be working. May be worth you running some filters to see how you are doing the times you do see a flop when your steal is called. I still think you are folding way too much to 3bets but its going to be situational and villain dependent but i think the main area is going to be CO and BTN where you could start either calling more or thinking about 4betting people who are 3betting with wide ranges.

Nice work.
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04-13-2012 , 05:49 PM
MartL, thanks for the feedback on my stats. I'll add the cold call % the next time I post stats. I'll try to analyze my play from the blinds this weekend.

I was down a little less than 4bi's yesterday. But I got back even today. (The graph are for the sessions yesterday and today combined).



Hand 1

The villain that shoved OTF was an unknown. What kind of range do we put him on?

BTN: $8.22
SB: $2.99
BB: $9.84
UTG: $6.05
Hero (UTG+1): $16.49
UTG+2: $3.00
MP: $7.28
MP+1: $4.71
CO: $3.90

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.67, 4 players) 9 6 A
Hero bets $0.40, fold, CO raises to $3.75 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $3.35

Turn: ($8.17, 2 players) K

River: ($8.17, 2 players) Q

Hand 2

SB is 29/10 over 22 hands. CO is 27/22 with a steal-percentage of 75% (6/8), this is over 65 hands.

My question is about the check OTT. What do you think of it? I thought it was a good spot to try and trap weaker hands and he might even bluff the river because I showed weakness.

Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $4.00
BB: $7.30
UTG: $5.00
UTG+1: $11.29
UTG+2: $6.08
MP: $5.21
MP+1: $2.80
CO: $9.61

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.43, fold, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.40, 3 players) 4 Q 2
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.75, fold

Turn: ($2.90, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.90, 2 players) T
SB bets $2.30, Hero raises to $3.80 and is all-in, SB calls $0.50 and is all-in

Last edited by Sworaven; 04-13-2012 at 05:49 PM. Reason: BR's at $102.30 :)
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04-15-2012 , 04:27 AM
Yesterday started off good, but I finished with a loss.



I've added the Cold Call 2Bet PF% (and the Call 2Bet % to give you an idea how much I call from the blinds). I'm showing a profit from all positions except for the small blind.



A couple of hands while I'm in the SB.

Hand 1

Guess I'll start off with the obligatory KK vs AA. Not much to be said about this. This was my biggest losing pot for the day.

BTN: $6.89
Hero (SB): $11.38
BB: $8.19
UTG: $4.63
UTG+1: $6.42
UTG+2: $2.22
MP: $1.81
MP+1: $3.28
CO: $11.35

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $11.38 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $5.02 and is all-in

Flop: ($12.89, 2 players) 4 3 J

Turn: ($12.89, 2 players) 4

River: ($12.89, 2 players) A

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
UTG+1 shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Fours) (Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
UTG+1 wins $12.36

Hand 2

Villain was 15/14 with a 9% 3bet over 99 hands. I'm not sure about the call PF.

BTN: $6.45
Hero (SB): $13.80
BB: $5.23
UTG: $3.91
UTG+1: $2.81
UTG+2: $2.43
MP: $5.99
MP+1: $8.38
CO: $5.13

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.42, Hero calls $0.27

Flop: ($0.84, 2 players) J 3 Q
Hero checks, BB bets $0.61, Hero raises to $1.45, BB raises to $4.16, Hero raises to $13.29, BB calls $0.65 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.46, 2 players) 3

River: ($10.46, 2 players) A

Hero shows J Q (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 15%, Flop 74%, Turn 9%)
BB shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Threes) (Pre 85%, Flop 26%, Turn 91%)
BB wins $10.03

Hand 3

Villain was 10/8 over 41 hands.

BTN: $6.74
Hero (SB): $5.07
BB: $5.54
UTG: $3.80
UTG+1: $1.56
UTG+2: $9.20
MP: $5.07
MP+1: $7.06
CO: $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.05, fold, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 2 5 5
Hero bets $1.00, BTN raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $4.37 and is all-in, BTN calls $2.37

Turn: ($10.24, 2 players) 7

River: ($10.24, 2 players) K

Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 66%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows 5 A (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 34%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $9.82




Oh well, better luck today.
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04-15-2012 , 05:14 PM
Up 5 buy-ins today. Bankroll's at $121.04.
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04-17-2012 , 04:12 PM
Didn't play yesterday. I did play a bit today, but not much. Only 600 hands. Won about 2 buy-ins. My bankroll is $130.10, things have been going great. I also posted a hand in the Micro Stakes FR section: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/5nl-zoom-double-barrel-1194754/

I finished Elements of Poker last week. Started on 'A Rubber Band Story and Other Poker Tales' also by Tommy Angelo. I really like the way he writes, he keeps a good balance between humor, theory and general thoughts about poker.
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04-18-2012 , 09:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sworaven
Hand 2

Villain was 15/14 with a 9% 3bet over 99 hands. I'm not sure about the call PF.

BTN: $6.45
Hero (SB): $13.80
BB: $5.23
UTG: $3.91
UTG+1: $2.81
UTG+2: $2.43
MP: $5.99
MP+1: $8.38
CO: $5.13

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.42, Hero calls $0.27

Flop: ($0.84, 2 players) J 3 Q
Hero checks, BB bets $0.61, Hero raises to $1.45, BB raises to $4.16, Hero raises to $13.29, BB calls $0.65 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.46, 2 players) 3

River: ($10.46, 2 players) A

Hero shows J Q (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 15%, Flop 74%, Turn 9%)
BB shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Threes) (Pre 85%, Flop 26%, Turn 91%)
BB wins $10.03
I think the steal from was fine from the SB. When you get 3B, calling OOP is not the way to go, particularly with the villian having no-so-fishy stats. No shame in folding or a 4B/F.
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04-25-2012 , 05:27 PM
Haven't played in a while. Really need to start again!
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05-12-2012 , 11:41 AM
Finally, an update!

I've been playing again and I've nearly played 25k hands during this challenge. My bankroll is around $135. I'm still at 5NL but I will be taking shots at 10NL very shortly. I was thinking about taking shots when I reach $150. That gives me 15 buyins for 10NL, which I think will be enough. If it doesn't work out, I drop to 5NL and work my way back up again. I'm always a little nervous when I move up or start taking shots and I'm sure it affects my game somehow. That's why I probably will only be playing 2 tables instead of 4. That should help me with getting over the initial nervousness. I'll also be able to think about decisions more thoroughly and that will give me a little more confidence in my game.

I'm a couple of VPP's away from a €10 stellar award. A nice, albeit a small, boost to my bankroll.

Time for some graphs and stats! Yay!

BB won over hands played:



$ won over hands played:



Stakes:

There are 3 hands of 5NL Zoom 6max. Misclick in the lobby.



Position:

Keep in mind that these stats are for all my hands during this challenge. So they will be skewed a bit since I've made a couple corrections to my game. I don't steal and cbet that much anymore and I'm 3betting a bit more than I used to. The only thing that worries me a bit is my SB. I seem to be losing a lot from that position. Otherwise, I think I'm playing decent.

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05-12-2012 , 11:45 AM
gl. in my opinion you shouldn't be taking 10nl shots with a $150 BR. infact, I wouldn't even start 5nl until $150 at the very least. a one hour session can see a downswing of 5-7 buyins and that will crush your bankroll
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