WHATS UP EVERYONE! - Long time lurker, first time poster here.

I am starting this thread to document my move from NL mid stakes cash games to micro/ low stakes PLO with an aim to move to the mid and (hopefully) high stakes as quickly as possible!

Background

I have been playing NL for around 4 years now, full time for around 2 - almost exclusively reg table cash games, live and online, but have a good win rate in tournaments too.

There are a few reasons I am making the switch to PLO:

1. I don't enjoy studying or playing NL as much as I once did and in the last year I've lost the passion to get out of bed ready for the grind.

2. NL games these days seem swarming with bots, especially at the mid stakes. As far as I can tell there aren't as many at PLO tables.

3. I think if I really put in the work PLO has a higher earning ceiling given that PLO solvers are relatively new and players are generally pretty bad (including myself ofc :P)!

4. PLO is fun and I am a degen at heart!

Before last week I had played maybe 2k hands lifetime of PLO, almost entirely live, but have loved it every time I've played.

Goal

By the end of 2021 I would like to be playing PL1000+ online and higher in live games.

Plan

I am starting at PL60 and if I am beating this stake by 5BB/100 over 50k hands I will move up, and so on. I will sprinkle in PL100 if games are good before I reach 50k hands.

I plan on studying 1-2 hours a day and playing 5 hours a day 6 days a week, mostly 4-5 tabling reg tables. This will average around 1000-1500 hands a day.

To study I am using PLO matrix for preflop and Vision for postflop.

I will post a weekly graph update here and and sick hands/thoughts as I go.

Week 1 and 2

The first two weeks have went really well and I am running way above EV. I have probably put in around 10 hours of study since starting and it is exciting to feel myself improving even in such a small sample. As Vision doesn't allow you to analyse multiway spots I am feeling pretty lost going post flop with more than one player, which in the games I'm playing seems to be pretty much every hand. Right now my only strategy multiway is just to make the nuts or try and get in a nutty looking draw! I think this is a big contributing factor to my terrible redline, but that might just be a product of playing micros. If anyone has any tips for studying multiway spots that'd be great!

On a side note it is really nice to be excited about studying poker again. I understand why people love PLO so much!

Got annihilated today I was definitely due some run bad!

Spent a couple of hours going through hands with Vision and played a short PL60 and PL100 session. Lots of whiffing, lots of multiway pots with AA and lot of having no idea what I'm doing in spots!

Might play another short session after dinner and try make some back. Have been listening to the new Bill Burr episode on JRE while playing today and so wasn't too bad a time. Except the new Spotify video player has so much LAG, hope they sort it out ASAP!

Have been really busy with family stuff the last couple weeks in the lead up to Christmas and so haven't had a chance to update - the UK has just sunk into another tier 4 week total lockdown so volume should be really good in the next month for both posting and playing

Have been breakeven for the last couple of weeks but sun ran today which puts us back in the green for the month - will post graph update below!

If still beating 60PLO after the next 15k hands will be moving up to 100PLO.

Currently on the lookout for a coach to get me to the midstakes as quickly as possible so if anyone knows of one/is one please send me a private message to arrange something (or if anyone fancies studying together/teaching me a thing or two for free )

Other than that will update again soon, Merry Christmas peeps!

PokerBros - $0.60 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 280.12 BB
UTG: 75.98 BB
MP: 72.8 BB
Hero (CO): 167.55 BB
BTN: 222.13 BB
SB: 809.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 A A 3

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) A T 9
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 11 BB, BB calls 11 BB, Hero raises to 55 BB, BTN calls 44 BB, BB calls 44 BB

Turn: (176 BB, 3 players) 7
BB bets 176 BB, Hero calls 109.05 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 163.63 BB and is all-in

River: (612.32 BB, 3 players) 6

Hero shows 6 A A 3 (Three of a Kind, Aces)

Main Pot [503.15 BB]: (Pre 47%, Flop 48%, Turn 39%)

BB shows J Q 9 8 (Straight, Jack High)

Main Pot [503.15 BB]: (Pre 31%, Flop 38%, Turn 39%)
Side Pot#1 [109.17 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 55%, Turn 61%)

BTN shows J T 8 3 (Straight, Jack High)

Main Pot [503.15 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 14%, Turn 22%)
Side Pot#1 [109.17 BB]: (Pre 34%, Flop 45%, Turn 39%)

BB wins 303.47 BB
BTN wins 303.45 BB


Not sure if we should just bet flop instead of X/R, seems fine given we are so deep with villains?

Then not sure if turn is just a fold given how nutted they seem?




PokerBros - $0.60 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 200 BB
UTG: 50 BB
Hero (MP): 269.45 BB
CO: 156.67 BB
BTN: 217.07 BB
SB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K T 9

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (15.5 BB, 4 players) J 7 Q
UTG bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB, CO raises to 65.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 31 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 258.5 BB, CO calls 87.67 BB and is all-in

Turn: (368.33 BB, 3 players) 3

River: (368.33 BB, 3 players) 2

Hero shows J K T 9 (One Pair, Jacks)

Main Pot [155 BB]: (Pre 39%, Flop 46%, Turn 47%)
Side Pot#1 [213.33 BB]: (Pre 53%, Flop 48%, Turn 47%)

UTG shows Q A 3 A (Two Pair, Queens and Threes)

Main Pot [155 BB]: (Pre 45%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)

CO shows Q Q 8 A (Three of a Kind, Queens)

Main Pot [155 BB]: (Pre 15%, Flop 50%, Turn 53%)
Side Pot#1 [213.33 BB]: (Pre 47%, Flop 52%, Turn 53%)

CO wins 362.93 BB


If we are 100BB deep 4 ways it seems like this would just be a jam over the C-bet, but 200BB deep it feels a lot nastier, really not sure if we can just fold to CO's raise given he can have our wrap dominated?

Challenge accepted ill race you???


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Subbed, GLGL

I feel like AA with nut bd and maybe a draw blocker plays a bit better for checking, but this is probably fine either way.

Utg obviously isn't supposed to bet there a lot, so I'm going to raise a ton in general against OOP cbettors. I think you also fold out some shared draws from co.

As played don't think you can really fold there.

Glad to see other PLO PGCs. I'm not really qualified to be a midstakes PLO coach online, but I have both coaching experience and do pretty decently at 1/2 and have a lot of highstakes experience in general. I've been streaming 1/2 and 2/5 zoom games (and some study streams you can check out). If you wanna appear on stream, I am happy to do a session with you for free.

In,GL

Thanks bro!

Thanks for the input bro! Any winning player is sure to teach me a thing or two tbh. Will fire you a message!

Thanks bro

Quick weekly update - the sunrun continues!

Have been running hot as anything the last week and have been playing mostly 100PLO and 200PLO table selecting as games have been really good over the festive period - even a fish like me should be beating the app games at these stakes the way they are playing at the moment.

From now on I think my minimum stake will be 100PLO since I am rolled well and table selecting well.

Other than that not much to report, in the midst of another national lockdown so everything closed but essential shops. The only part that really bothers me is that gyms are closed so have just bought a squat rack for the basement, will do the business until gyms open back up hopefully!

Be safe peeps!




Graphs below since beginning of PLO journey as well as the last 7 days!

Continuing the sun run the last couple days, nice to run good while taking a couple of shots at 200PLO!

Games have been great

Hey man , just stumbled across this thread. Keep up the good work looks like youve been running nicely. I’m Also from the UK and switched to PLO recently, playing mostly 50 on stars and also some 60 bros games but just in my spare time. HMU if you wana chat some hands or whatever. Also in a discord with a few other players if you wana join

Thanks for stoppping by bro!

My name on discord is LeeFaeBlue (not sure if you need something else? don't use much)

Quick weekly update - we hit 50K hands!

Pretty uneventful over all - logged about 6k hands and up about 1fiddy.

Had a PLO coaching session for the first time today and it was super helpful. He sat in on an hour long live sweat at pointed out some leaks really quickly - generally playing too passively postflop and hugely under C-betting.

Gonna continue studying in the next week and playing 100PLO for the most part!

Be well peeps! And if anyone wants to talk hands LMK!

i'm in. glgl

Thanks bro!

Yearly update!

2 weeks into the year and we are pretty much breakeven. Running slightly below EV but I was due some run bad and very happy that my EV graph is on the up for once.

Had a second coaching session today with a 2+2er called Inky! She very kindly offered to review some of my hands on her twitch stream and has been super helpful in pointing out a lot of my leaks.

If anyone wants to check out her stuff I will link Twitch and 2+2 thread below:

http://www.twitch.tv/inky_poker

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...aming-1782313/

She has both coaching session recorded and catalogue if anyone new to PLO would find it useful.

Gonna spark up a dooby and have a nice easy grind tonight.

Stay well peeps!

Hey! It was nice doing some sessions, and nice to see people popping in. I'm gonna be busy grinding and doing study sessions with others for a bit, but let's do some more later, maybe by then you'll have some new spots we can talk about once you've played more

200plo is so vastly different from NL. Everyday in my PLO games people will limp and then call almost any size raise, even 4bets when they're OOP sometimes. The whole damn table may limp call a 3bet which is just something that never happens in NL.

It sure is a lot more fun though!

Thanks again. 100% up for more streams

Tell me about it mate. Haven't played too much PLO200 yet as want to make sure I'm beating 100PLO first but from what i can tell it is crazy soft compared to NL equivalent. A good table in my 200NL games would have maybe 1 fish, a bad reg and 3 regs; now I'll turn my nose up if there isn't 3 fish launching money bombs at each other lol. And you're right, it is more fun

Crushing the last couple of sessions, running into some pretty good spots in some pretty good games

Still working on that red line but i think it's probably a product of passive games where we have to go multiway in a lot of spots. Anyway it's not 2012 anymore, can't be too angry at a bad redline :P

wheeeeee