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06-07-2021 , 09:19 AM
Yay finally I won something in zoom. I did make lots of stupid mistakes though. I folded some hands I should have opened. I didn't look at villains stacks and folded good hands to 4bets.

Damn you canada




Probably river saved me. Though later he did 4bet me with 65s. A bit suspicious that guy.




Calling is prob too loose.
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06-09-2021 , 02:01 PM
Only -12.5 EV bb/100, 9k hands in zoom. Comeback is like so real. Regular tables have been b/e for like a week or two. No sign of whales.

There has been lots of work this week. Feels nice to maybe actually get to buy toppings for my bread. Except, now there's a bug in the system stopping me from working, but I'm hoping it will go away.




This guy just a few hands ago 3bet small K7s, call 4bet, raise fd flop and call shove. I won the pot with KK. He got his revenge real soon. I called river because I thought he would have bet a seven on flop.
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06-09-2021 , 08:01 PM
If someone bets turn and river there for those sizings a pair is almost never good, also most people will check a 7 or 8 behind on the flop
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06-12-2021 , 05:53 AM
Regular tables on Unibet are going horribly. Losing every hand no matter what. Down 20 buy-ins at NL 25.

Hand2note hasn't been working as a tracker lately. Can't even post hands. Dunno what happened.

This streamer told me he just plays 2 zoom tables. https://www.twitch.tv/ceegee87 I really thought all pros play 4 tables. This inspired me to lower the amount of tables to two too. It's basically a question of do you need to improve your game while you're playing? It's a clear yes for me.

First time in European football finals. Have to find a way to watch the match today.
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06-12-2021 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
If someone bets turn and river there for those sizings a pair is almost never good, also most people will check a 7 or 8 behind on the flop
Yeah but the hand before made me think he plays his draws fast.
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06-16-2021 , 06:17 AM
NL25 zoom, 3k hands, -6.5 ev bb/100

It has been a while. Still struggling to beat the micros. Now that unibet games haven't went well, I want to play more zoom. It's nice to be able to track your results and hands. You can actually learn something. I will try 2-tabling nl 25 for 3 hours every day. Should be around 45k hands a month. I jumped to NL25 because MOM thommehh did it too. Optimistic winrate is 2 bb/100, so 9 buy-ins in a month. If that happens, I will take 1 buy-in shot at NL 50. Realistic winrate is -x bb/100, so -x buy-ins in a month. If that happens, I will take a shot or two at NL 16.

Kalthorr said nobody is beating NL500+ at gg without rakeback. The rake there is about 9 bb/100. At ps I think it's about 3 bb/100. Assuming the playing level is the same, then the maximum winrate you can achieve at NL500+ in ps is 6 bb/100.

It took a heart attack and countless number of missed opportunities for our team to magically score a goal from their only chance to win a football game. It's not looking good. Have to come up with a better plan against Russia. Lots of people wrote that the game shouldn't have been continued the same day. But hey at least the game was stopped. It's more brutal in chess. Some years ago in Norway someone got a heart attack in a big tournament. They started resuscitating him there with all the games still going on. There was but one break, when mass panic happened because someone heard a gun shot that was actually just a defibrillator. I run outside too without thinking. A few minutes later we all returned to our games while the sounds from the machine still reverberated. He died and another dead body was found in a hotel room. But of course many chess players are old and have really bad lifestyles. I think my own chances of living to 80 years are quite slim too. A heart attack at 40 something is nothing unreasonable. On the positive side I don't need to worry about my finances after retiring.




Maybe the worst hand I have played at this stake. Often when fish in unibet go all-in like that it's tp+. My hand is kind of in the middle of that range with my good kicker. I think it would be reasonable to call it if I was the last person to act and everyone folded. But the biggest mistake was turn. I just didn't know what to do, so I went all-in like the fish on the flop.




I think it's a bit too much to go all-in on the river against mp. Basically the only weaker hand that can call is AJ, and that might fold too. So either check or bet small.




I could easily be overbluffing this spot, but I kind of do like the hand I chose. It's representing 88 set and a straight. The biggest flaw is that my hand does well with a call too. So I think at best this is a low frequency bluff. I think I rolled 90+, so I have no regrets.
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06-16-2021 , 06:28 AM
You're still overplaying your hands too much, imo stop using a randomizer, the 89 is never a raise with your showdown value.

Also from your stats I've seen you're too tight, try to get your stats to like 24/21/10, use the GTOWiz ranges
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06-17-2021 , 06:22 AM
NL25 zoom, 4k hands, -7.3 ev bb/100

A few more buy-ins to lose before I have to go down in stakes.

A small correction to what I wrote Yesterday. It seems you can actually beat NL 500 on gg without rakeback if you tableselect. It seems NL 1k is the stake where it gets much harder.

Russia won. No surprise there, but I did like our play more than against Denmark.

Edit. I found out the point of geometric bet sizes is that it's the best way to max your ev when ranges are perfectly polar. You get to have the max amount of bluffs for every street. It might also be the best way in practice when you want villains to call you.



Somehow I thought this hand calls a 3bet. It's not even close. Wizard says even 65s only calls 23.5%. I don't think I will ever get my preflop charts memorized. I think I played postflop fine. Once again 2 fd turns usually get lots of fast play, so shoving it makes sense.




I felt like my hand was too strong on the flop to bet, but I think most of the time I should do it. The min turn raise really scared me. Too many bad memories. Even though it's a 2 fd turn my hand does well with just a call. I am fine with folding river, even though realistically my hand is at the top of my range.

Last edited by wannabe2700; 06-17-2021 at 06:48 AM.
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06-17-2021 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
You're still overplaying your hands too much, imo stop using a randomizer, the 89 is never a raise with your showdown value.

Also from your stats I've seen you're too tight, try to get your stats to like 24/21/10, use the GTOWiz ranges
Is it really that bad? It's just a middle pair with a bad kicker. Surely sometimes I should raise it. I started using the randomizer again because I was missing some mixed preflop 3bets. That might be part of the reason why your stats show me too passive. Most of the time I'm using wiz ranges, but now I'm tighter against 3x+ opens. My database of 77k hands fits that 24/21/10 pretty well. There's lots of variance in 100-200 hand sample stats. It's possible that might be your leak. Maybe your results get better if you start ignoring them more. I posted this video before, but let me do it again. I actually forgot the math too... Maybe I should be happy my hud stopped working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HGypMs5TnA
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06-17-2021 , 09:10 AM
Why raise? It's not really a value bet or a bluff, one of those should be the reason to bet or raise

Could be that your stats are tight in my database because of sample size but I don't focus much on opponents stats only in spots where I have a close decision
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06-18-2021 , 08:05 AM
NL 25 zoom, 7k hands, -8.2 EV bb/100

I tried to play more solid and in the beginning it worked when I got my sets. When the nuts disappeared so did my winnings. I folded all my one pair hands. Once again my redline is negative. It's seems it's impossible for me to beat zoom without positive redline. I feel like I have some kind of massive unknown leak. Thommehh says it's fps, but I think there's something else going on too. Maybe it's just a lack of knowledge in everything. Would make sense why it's difficult to locate it.




Dunno about river at all. Feels stupid to valuebet it but check folding would also hurt my feelings.




I do very little donking on any street. Maybe that's one of my leaks. Like this flop I prob can bet small most of my range.




I am happy I correctly remembered AA does quite a bit of calling 4bets ip. When villain bets so big on the flop it becomes obvious they have a jack. Pros at higher levels might assume it's an obvious bluff because nobody would do it with a good hand. Micro life is completely different. But even with this knowledge am I really supposed to fold AA? Let's assume he also does this with overpairs but no bluffs. 12 combos of QQ-KK, 1 combo of AA, 2 combos of KJs, 1 combo of AJs. It's already obvious AA should be ahead of that range. I used equilab to do some calculations. I need 38% equity. AA has 38% equity vs QQ+,AJs,KJs,QJs,J2s+. So it's safe to go broke with pocket rockets. KK has 38% vs QQ+,AJs,KJs,QJs. Also good enough. I should use equilab more often to calm myself.
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06-18-2021 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
Why raise? It's not really a value bet or a bluff, one of those should be the reason to bet or raise

Could be that your stats are tight in my database because of sample size but I don't focus much on opponents stats only in spots where I have a close decision
I am not comfortable calling middle pair for 2 streets against mp. Almost never do I win showdown. I also remember reading that it's better to raise weak pairs against opens from early position than from button.

That's a pretty good way to randomize things. Now I want my hud working again.
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06-18-2021 , 08:17 AM
It's def doable to beat zoom without a positive redline just look at my graphs, my redline is **** too. As I said in my thread work more on improving than playing, also probably better to move down to 16nl, for me that was also the first stake where I felt really good because the play there is awful

KJss it's a bluffcatcher so just check and probably fold because if he bets it's rarely a bluff imo
KJdd never donk in general esp in 4b pots, can float the flop but it sucks oop, but if you do you can checkjam some turns
AA his sizing with a J is terrible so I wouldn't assume it's a J even in micros, just bad luck imo can't fold
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06-18-2021 , 08:55 AM
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It's def doable to beat zoom without a positive redline just look at my graphs, my redline is **** too. As I said in my thread work more on improving than playing, also probably better to move down to 16nl, for me that was also the first stake where I felt really good because the play there is awful

KJss it's a bluffcatcher so just check and probably fold because if he bets it's rarely a bluff imo
KJdd never donk in general esp in 4b pots, can float the flop but it sucks oop, but if you do you can checkjam some turns
AA his sizing with a J is terrible so I wouldn't assume it's a J even in micros, just bad luck imo can't fold
It could be a personal thing. We all play poker slightly differently. I have just noticed that I'm most likely to have a winning session if my redline shows it head above the ocean. Yeah soon I have to try NL 16 and 10 again.

I guess check is optimal even in a blind battle. They might easily check back kx and then I might win with my kicker.

I have no feeling for 4bp at all. Even seeing some sims or whatever is kind of useless. The ranges get so out of touch what's really going on. Maybe at higher stakes people use the same solver ranges. Why would donking be bad? Just not enough hands in that low-medium region? If I donked I would bet super small like 15%. Dunno if it would change the big picture in any way.

Have you really faced some bluffs from villains with that big flop bet?
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06-18-2021 , 10:32 AM
You can have a positive redline without spewing.
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06-28-2021 , 09:09 AM
Finally I managed to get one winning session. A good time to update. June EV bb/100 improved from -10 to -9, hallelujah. I am very close to dropping all the way back to NL 5. My bankroll is like a ****ing a titanic.

I bought a sub for a cheap gto tool. I felt I really needed some real guidance. It's not the best, but it's definitely helping me giving me some confidence in my actions. In addition to my usual spewing I have also been overfolding in many spots. The last few days I have been grinding zoom trying to locate all my biggest problems. Next month I will try to hit 100k hands. I feel optimistic that after July grinding I will be a new man.

The match against Belgium was blaah, like the whole tournament. Such passive play isn't fun to follow even if it sometimes works.

I tried frisbee golf for the first time. I bought a cheap set of 3 frisbees. Unfortunately I lost one already. When I was searching for it, two kids passed me by and one of them said to the other one "I found it" while holding his back bag. ****ing thieves. There was actually an article on this recently. Kids are waiting in the bushes stealing frisbees in my city. Stupid frisbee mafia.





I should call or fold river, but it's just soo tempting to bluff these hands. It just feels like it's the right thing to do. One day it will get though my head people aren't folding sets.




The point of this hand is to just show I'm done folding all my overpairs. Previously I probably would have just folded flop. I used my one free lookup on wizard here. Hero should pretty much only go all-in or fold vs 60% size. I think villain's 50% bet size is close enough to that. Even vs 1/3 bet, 99 is mostly shipping it in, though preferring heart suits. My cheap but not so accurate gto tool says hero can also call. It also wants villain to check most of his range on flop, whereas in wizard villain is naturally mostly cbetting. Intuitively wizard's line makes more sense to me.
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06-28-2021 , 02:35 PM
AQ another example of overplaying your hand
99 just call flop and probably fold turn, at these stakes people don't have enough 4b bluffs (if any) in their range so for a hand like this don't look at solver solutions
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07-01-2021 , 09:08 AM


June is over. Zoom results are fantastic as you can see. I won like 70 buy-ins in regular tables and thought this is my paradise until I pretty much lost it all back. No safe heaven for me. I had goals:

[1 20k zoom hands] Success
[2 Lots of regular tables] Success until I started losing.
[3 Watch at least one video a day] Fail
[4 Manage tilt] Success I think
[5 Continue eating good] Success for a while
[6 Exercise a bit. Thinking of trying frisbeegolf. Better than nothing.] Mostly fail but I did try frisbeegolf.
[7 Stand at least 3 hours every day] Mostly success

July goals:

1 100k zoom hands. Grind till my eyes bleed.
2 1 hour of gto training a day
3 Eat good you fool
4 Exercise sometimes


As I can't seem to beat anything, I don't have any positive expectations. My only light in the tunnel is that after grinding July and meditating with gto I will come out as a winning player and actually finally manage to beat NL 10 zoom in August. I still haven't solved how I should approach poker. I change my mind every day. The tools I use, how I learn, how many tables, what format, what time and day, what site are all in constant flux. Maybe July will bring some answers.





If sb 3bet a normal amount and instead went all-in on river, my cheap gto tool would call with loads of hands, even with 44 sometimes, AcQ. Dunno how to translate this to the real world. He 3bet only 3x so in theory his range should be wider. I just called his river bet because lots of overcards missed. I have a feeling though not many people would bluff with AK, KQ there. I vote fold as the best answer, even though I have been trying to avoid it recently.
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07-01-2021 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Thommehh
AQ another example of overplaying your hand
99 just call flop and probably fold turn, at these stakes people don't have enough 4b bluffs (if any) in their range so for a hand like this don't look at solver solutions
AQ is indeed my biggest sin. Where's a priest when you need it.
You could be right about 99. Even in the blinds people are quite passive preflop. And if they are more loose, then they don't bet 50% pot on flop in 4bp.
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07-01-2021 , 09:48 AM
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If sb 3bet a normal amount and instead went all-in on river, my cheap gto tool would call with loads of hands, even with 44 sometimes, AcQ. Dunno how to translate this to the real world. He 3bet only 3x so in theory his range should be wider. I just called his river bet because lots of overcards missed. I have a feeling though not many people would bluff with AK, KQ there. I vote fold as the best answer, even though I have been trying to avoid it recently.
Constantly making calls because of GTO is only going to hurt your winrate when no one at the micros is balancing their river bets properly.

I would suggest filtering hands where you called a river bet and the size of the river bet was greater than 10 BBs
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07-01-2021 , 10:27 AM
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Constantly making calls because of GTO is only going to hurt your winrate when no one at the micros is balancing their river bets properly.

I would suggest filtering hands where you called a river bet and the size of the river bet was greater than 10 BBs
You're probably right, especially about river. It's just that there was phase recently where I was folding a lot and still losing that I started questioning my approach.

I don't really know how to use hand2note. I have 100k hands in my database, -3.4 EV bb/100. I filtered by river check call and only got out 147 hands. It feels way too little. Anyway the results were -309 bb/100. Looks like a big leak, but then I filtered by river call. The results were 279 hands, 134 bb/100. I am suddenly winning a lot. If I choose all the river options the results are: 5500 hands, 60 bb/100, again I'm winning.
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07-01-2021 , 01:30 PM
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As I can't seem to beat anything, I don't have any positive expectations. My only light in the tunnel is that after grinding July and meditating with gto I will come out as a winning player and actually finally manage to beat NL 10 zoom in August. I still haven't solved how I should approach poker.
You've had a good insight here: you haven't solved how to approach the game. Maybe consider setting a goal around that point for July?

That's maybe too high level, but you can make it more tangible like "write down 3 population tendencies and my counter strategy"

Personally, I think that'd be a better use of your time than trying to clock in a 100k hands.

Ian
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07-01-2021 , 02:09 PM
Itīs not rocket science how to figure out population tendencies and leaks. No disrespect intended here, but you seem to be a mediocre reg at this moment. Your leaks are probably close to the other regs leaks (including myself lol). So, if itīs hard for you to find a certain bluff on a certain river spot, it should be hard for them too to do the same.
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07-01-2021 , 08:05 PM
Perceive everyone to be a nit at 10z until you have reason to believe otherwise, then make notes.

Using GTO ( charts/solvers ) as a general learning tool is good but the main problem is people aren't playing balanced ranges at 10z. If people are only 3betting half of the hands in a certain spot that means your calling range has to adjust too.

The goal at a specific micro poole is to adjust and exploit the poole tendencies. 10z people overfold in the blinds and on the BTN, don't 3bet a balanced range and fold too much to 3bets. Here's how you can exploit that

1) Steal like crazy CO onwards, treat CO like it's the btn, go way outside GTO opening ranges ( Think about it, if people are overfolding then we should be opening much wider )
2) 3B a tonne yourself specifically BTN vs CO, and BB vs BTN ( Turn your marginal BB defends into bluffs etc )
3) Overfold yourself to 3bets ( people aren't 3betting balanced with enough bluffs, hence we should defend much tighter )

Start thinking about these things more and less about what the solvers say. The solvers are useful as a general learning tool and will be much more useful playing vs tougher opponents, but your bread and butter for now should be focusing on exploiting weak tight regs
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07-01-2021 , 09:01 PM
If you have a RIO essential membership, Iīd highly recommend ishterīs old videos, specifically the 50z ones. Even if itīs outdated, pay close attention to his talking and his general strategy.
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