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03-19-2021 , 07:38 AM
NL 10, 1193 hands, 8.72 usd net won, 7.3 bb/100, 1.5 EV bb/100



The hand that killed my session. I don't know how to react against 3.5x open. Probably I should just 4x 3bet as usual but with a tighter range. My range is only checking flop 15.8%, mostly just betting small. On the turn wizard says I could donk 1/5 pot around 35% with KQ with d or c. I guess the point is to bluff on the river when the flush comes a small percentage of the time. It's 50/50 if I should call his all-in. Probably in practice it means I should fold once again.
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03-19-2021 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
I don't think it's directly the top 15% hot'n'cold hands vs 6 players. Your link has a pretty good baseline upon first glance. Pretty sure AA23ds is not the best hand in 10 players all-in (I think it's likely AAJTds or something similar). AA23ds is the best hand in hi/lo though.
Oh yeah it was hi low indeed.
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03-19-2021 , 07:39 AM
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This made me lol a bit. Yes it's very important to have the pair there, guaranteeing that you are not crushed by a dominating draw.
Would you just call with no pair?
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03-19-2021 , 10:46 AM
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Would you just call with no pair?
At this depth, against a bet and a call, yes I'd just call with say J864
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03-20-2021 , 01:26 PM
NL 10, 2952 hands, 37.46 usd net won, 12.7 bb/100, 1.3 EV bb/100

I continue running hot, but it looks like I can't beat the micros yet. Maybe one day. I wonder if I should give up building a perfect gto model because it's just not humanly possible to handle it. Will anyone really punish me if I only bluff certain hands ? Which brings better results trying to follow gto 100% but only achieve 25% of it or trying to follow gto 25% and achieve 100%? I am not even trying to get to the nosebleed levels. I just want to earn a little extra. On the other hand, playing in a complicated manner also forces the villain into the same storm. And if you have weathered more storms than you're 1/3 flop bet spammer, then you can ride the tornado and **** all over his face.



My range is doing almost no checking on the flop. Half potting gets slightly more votes than 1/5 pot. It's interesting to note ATs likes half betting more than AQs, but the situation flips on the turn. ATs suddenly does a lot more checking than AQs. Looks like ATs just wants to stab once. Maybe it has to with the fact that AQ can still be happy betting two streets and getting a queen on the river and check, but AT not so much and have to do some betting with T on the river. AT also isn't as desperate as A5. A5 just feels left out and feels suicidal the whole time.
River range gets split quite equally between all-in, 1/5 pot bet, check. I don't think I have ever bet river so small with such a short stack. But yeah why not, river is scary for both players, so might as well try to squeeze a bit of value with AK. AQ without flush is just checking river.
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03-20-2021 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
At this depth, against a bet and a call, yes I'd just call with say J864
Does that mean villain's QQ should just call too?
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03-20-2021 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
Does that mean villain's QQ should just call too?
I'd say no. Raiser can still have stuff like top2 with (n)fd, mid/bottom set with fd/oesd and so on. So he can still get weaker hands to get it in.
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03-21-2021 , 09:05 AM
NL 10, 3575 hands, 21.55 usd net won, 6 bb/100, -3.4 EV bb/100

Yesterday's session finally opened my eyes how bad I play. I should review many hands instead of staring at one random one for hours. I don't deserve to analyze a specific spot for specific details. All I gotta do is fold.



Wizard wants to bet super low on the flop and turn if it happened, just 12% pot. Makes a lot of sense. You just want put to the minimum amount of pressure when you get a good flop. 962 flop gets 35% pot bet. When he raised all-in I was sure I was beat, but I had marked him as a super patzer and the pot odds are just too good.




I didn't know UTG is supposed to be checking AK on the river. And his most common bet is supposed to be an all-in! Not many play like that, except fish when they have the nuts. AT should just call his river bet. Only sets and straights call his all-in. I was just staring at my two pairs like it's the golden Buddha himself.




I am just curious how valid is villain's line. Is potting really common on the flop? If I was him I would fold to my raise.




He raised so small on the flop that I think calling is fine. Turn is probably also okay. I am not blocking any of his flush draws.
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03-21-2021 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
I am just curious how valid is villain's line. Is potting really common on the flop? If I was him I would fold to my raise.
Villain's cbet is a mistake, I think I'd check range. You just have so many KK, QQ, JT9 with fd and so on. Bet-getin is horrible, it's just a donation (of EV in this case).

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He raised so small on the flop that I think calling is fine. Turn is probably also okay. I am not blocking any of his flush draws.
From what I've seen, it's always QQ or top two with fd etc so I'd just fold even to a small raise. Not sure if solver cbets the flop, from what I gather it often checks OOP, which seems sensible to me.
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03-22-2021 , 10:14 AM
NL 10, 4144 hands, 17.26 usd net won, 4.2 bb/100, -6.5 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 481 hands, -20.75 usd net won, -43.1 bb/100, -16.4 EV bb/100

I learned JT45ds likes to do some 4betting hu just so it's easy to get it all-in on the flop. Stack size wasn't mentioned, but I am guessing somewhat deep. I wonder if this means I should 3-bet that hand 100 bb deep.
I also learned 4-betting 4x in NL makes sense when stacks are very deep.




I guess preflop is too loose. Probably I should most often just call turn and river.




Raising the flop must be crazy because there's still one guy behind me. I think I should just call and fold turn. Probably folding flop is also okay.
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03-22-2021 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
Villain's cbet is a mistake, I think I'd check range. You just have so many KK, QQ, JT9 with fd and so on. Bet-getin is horrible, it's just a donation (of EV in this case).

From what I've seen, it's always QQ or top two with fd etc so I'd just fold even to a small raise. Not sure if solver cbets the flop, from what I gather it often checks OOP, which seems sensible to me.
Yeah that makes sense.
So omaha follows the same lines as in texas. Check often oop in single raised pots. Thx for all the advice.
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03-23-2021 , 11:27 AM
NL 10, 4385 hands, 8.04 usd net won, 1.8 bb/100, -8.2 EV bb/100
NL 5, 16036 hands, 55.84 usd net won, 7 bb/100, -0.3 EV bb/100
PLO 5, 937 hands, 50.29 usd net won, 107.3 bb/100, 12.5 EV bb/100

I really should try to play at least 2k hands a day like I already planned before. The more I play, the more mistakes I see, and the faster I learn. I have so much free time anyway, as it has been difficult to find chess students.

I noticed there are good gto apps available for iphones. You can even use them for free for a few times every day. The betting and raising amounts are different to wizard, so it can get confusing. But it's useful for tournament training, as you can train for different bb sizes.



Pretty random bluff, but so were villain's calls. GTO app for MTT for 60 bb stacks suggests to 3bet to 8.4bb. But that was for 2.3 bb open and the limper isn't take into account. Solver mostly just likes to check my hand on the flop, but if it has to bet than overbetting is the favorite choice. On the 3 of spade turn it would go all-in. I don't really understand why solver doesn't like to bet medium or small on the flop with my hand and then continue barreling. Poker is too hard man.
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03-25-2021 , 08:01 AM
NL 10, 5013 hands, 4.03 usd net won, 0.8 bb/100, -8.3 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 979 hands, 23.07 usd net won, 23.6 bb/100, 5.5 EV bb/100

As you can see I haven't been able to play 2k hands a day. My texas ev results really worry me. I don't know what's my main leak. Hand2note isn't beginner friendly. It's hard to see basic stats. I would like to compare myself to big winners using this interesting site https://statname.net/

Clealy you can get better winrates in games that haven't been studied so well. It's just that texas remains the most popular format and at the higher stakes it might be difficult to find opponents for other variants. But I do think the future lies in playing new games that change every 4 months or so just like in many other card games like hearthstone. It would be like going back to the good old days. Nobody would crush all the new games every single time. Beginners would like it too, as they wouldn't be so badly destroyed at high stakes.

I have only now realized how powerful check is oop in single raised pots. You don't lose much ev by just checking your whole range all three streets. Often on the flop it's the best course of action. After two streets of checks, on the river the ev slightly prefers betting good hands. I guess gto is just happy to control the positional damage.
Even with position and better range checking isn't horrible at all. From this one can gather a basic rule: check if you don't know what to do.

I will try 25 minute pomodoros instead of 45 minutes. My body is too stiff and my mind too anxious to handle long work sessions.



I should slowly get used to these things.




I kind of like my call. Most people bet their flush draws in earlier streets.
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03-26-2021 , 11:04 AM
NL 10, 6286 hands, 58.6 usd net won, 9.3 bb/100, 1.3 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 1402 hands, 52.33 usd net won, 37.3 bb/100, 19.8 EV bb/100

Yesterday went very well and I won 8 buy-ins. I continue being luckier than my EV. My winrate has been more than 11 bb/100 above EV for 24k hands. I fear for the future where the tables have been turned on me. Zoom tables go well with pomodoros. It's easy to quit, take a break and come back.

I have found it difficult to remember my preflop ranges. The main problem comes from the fact that most hands are only 3-betting some percentage of the time and some even go all-in sometimes. That's way too much data. But maybe I shouldn't b1tch too much when I haven't used anki for like a week.

It seems it's +ev to play the deal jackpot on ps for one round every 12 hours. Some profit for micro stakes guys like myself.

I have been trying to learn 3betting in omaha. I have only 3-bet AA, but clearly that's too nitty. Some resources I have found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuNWZOMSd0

Never 3-bet kings without ace. So AdKsKh2h is a good 3bet hand because it blocks AA and k high flush does better mano a mano. AsKsKh6h is also a 3bet. Maybe because it's a really good hand but not good enough to fear a 4bet. AKKQds would cry after a 4bet. Almost all paired hands without AA will fold to a 4bet.

DS rundowns with ace. AhKhTs9s, Ah8hJs9s, Ah7h6s8s. Can call 4bet with them.

DS rundown without ace. KJT9ds, J876ds, 9876ds. Don't go lower than 9 high rundown.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...eflop-1787592/

AQ45ds is a good squeeze hand. AQ72ds is a call or a fold.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...t-bet-1787826/

3b the strongest single suited A high hands like AJT8ss. Also 3bet AKQJss, half the combos of AKJTss. And 3bet AKQ4ss or 5, k or q suit hands.




JJ without clubs is never betting turn more than 1/5 pot. JJ with clubs loves half potting.
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03-27-2021 , 11:34 AM
NL 10, 7241 hands, 87.65 usd net won, 12.1 bb/100, 3.2 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 1769 hands, 39.29 usd net won, 22.2 bb/100, 6.1 EV bb/100

I experimented a bit with 3betting other than AA in omaha. It didn't give me honey.

Today I stared a bit at crypto charts trying to find the magic pill. All I can tell you is buy low at the right time and sell high at the right time.



I recently learned 65s is a low frequency open that doesn't fold to a 3bet, probably for board coverage reasons. Interestingly with the turn check equity changes and 1/5 pot bet becomes the chosen hero size. I think I rolled a high number and that's why I went crazy. But I didn't realize how much of an overbet it was...




I think 3bet is too loose. Postflop I have no idea what to do. Probably I should just check flop or turn.
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03-28-2021 , 08:42 AM
NL 10, 8162 hands, 87.74 usd net won, 10.7 bb/100, 1.6 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 2075 hands, 25.7 usd net won, 12.4 bb/100, 3.2 EV bb/100

It started well, but then went downhill. Don't even really know what happened. That means I was the fish once again.

I am reminding myself to bet bigger on the flop when oop. 1/3 pot bet is preferred in 4bet situations. Half pot is preferred in 3bet situations.



I am supposed to slightly overbet this flop 10% of the time. It seems two broadway cards allow the preflop 3better to spicy things up. My hand is split between 120%, 54%, 20% pot bets. There are almost no checks. Turn should also receive almost no checks. 1/5 pot bet is the clear favorite. My hand isn't good enough to bet bigger, and also not bad enough to be somewhat desperate like A4. After checking I should just fold to his big turn bet. In general I call way too much on the turn just to fold on the river.
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03-29-2021 , 07:22 AM
I played very little Yesterday, so I won't bother showing the results.
If you want to see what it's like at the end watch The Father. Already at my 30s I have noticed my memory has declined a bit. We are playing a lost game. Caissa Nakamura is shouting, just resign already.



If the river didn't pair, utg should just check back AA. The hand blocks too many Ax turn calls. With this river 4, utg should go all-in 27.1% and overbet 9.7%, just insane. I am not supposed to raise this river even with some K high flush. Obviously that makes my 53 flush raise total garbage.
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03-29-2021 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
Depends a bit on the exact definition of "work". It works in a way, since your baseline strategy is far superior compared to your opponents and that punishes some of their mistakes (for example, playing weak holdings pre, continuing to too many flops, folding on too many turns, irrational river play and so on). If you want to punish all their mistakes, you should diverge from solver's play.
And probably would still do far worse vs the optimal solver especially when putting in volume and not having the time to target specific individual deviations from optimal.
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03-29-2021 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabe2700
I think a human will take stuff out of gto that makes some sense and then construct a whole game tree based on it. You might be right if a bot randomly chose 50% of the options.

I went to an omaha hand calculator and put AAKQ double suit vs J733 double suit. J733 has 36.57%. Then I compared the result to J765 double suit. Probability jumped to 42.71%. An increase of 6.14 percentage points. Then I did the same round to AKQJ double suit. J733 scores 44.76%. J765 gets 43.95%. A decrease of 0.81 percentage points. In texas it's completely fine to go for set hunting no matter how low. Clearly in omaha straight and flush hunting is the name of the game.
J733 is almost always fold, especially in that spot imo.
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03-30-2021 , 08:27 AM
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And probably would still do far worse vs the optimal solver especially when putting in volume and not having the time to target specific individual deviations from optimal.
In his defense I would say it's probably easier to play perfect exploitable poker than perfect gto. If villains have clear leaks, it will be easy to adjust.

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J733 is almost always fold, especially in that spot imo.
Yeah now I know.


NL 10, 8763 hands, 110.73 usd net won, 12.6 bb/100, 1.4 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 2509 hands, 24.23 usd net won, 9.7 bb/100, 2.8 EV bb/100

Finally got some work, so I couldn't play much poker this time either. My EV keeps going down Luck has been holding me tight, but I suspect somebody is dropping oil on us. I have to become a real man.



Something really strange happens on the turn. QQ without a flush draw should go all-in 35.4%! KK no flush draw shoves 74.3%, AA 97.9%. Like what the f is going on? Equity and EV are in villain's favor. He also has the nuts T8s in his range while I don't, and he has more 8x. Equity graph is being dominated by him the whole way.

What I found is that the all-in only happens when there are two flush draws on the turn. I guess it's just too easy for him to make a flush, so we shove it, and he just can't have a straight all the time. I checked all the spade card turns, and only T and 8 won't have any all-ins, and A only 1.5%. I don't really understand why T is different to a 5. Ks gets the most all-ins 39.6%, most bluffs being Tx.
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04-01-2021 , 10:19 AM
Played very little poker the past few days. Anyway it's time for a March recap.


NL 5



NL 10



PLO 5



PLO 10



All results


As you can see I am just a lucky b/e player. My redline is horrendous. It seems many exploitative crushers have positive redlines. I should aim for the same. The goal is to make money not play the best theoretical poker. The best way to do this seems to be to buy a subscription for hand2note edge and do range research. But 20 bucks a month is a lot. I am just a beginner. I can easily work on my game without all these fancy tools, but I admit it's so tempting.

My goals for April:

1) 60k hands. I know I can do this. If I feel my game is bad, I can always drop down to NL 5 to double my bankroll. Just playing helps your poker too, as long as you don't forget to you use your head.
2) Take a shot at NL 25 at 15 buy-ins and make it the main game. I think I will just skip NL 16. Less players in a pool usually means tougher competition.
3) Find a good regular schedule for poker. Now it has been just all over the place, looking at this random youtube video for 5 minutes and then jumping into 2+2 for spicy threads and maybe playing a bit too. It's really bad for my brain. Just increases anxiety and restlessness. Using pomodoros is helping a little bit already, but it's not enough.
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04-02-2021 , 06:12 PM
I would ignore redline. In the games you play, villains are getting it in bad all day long i.e. they are making mistakes that hurt your redline and greatly benefit your blueline. Also, you can for example start making bad value bets on the river to shift your winnings from blue to red, but I don't think that is what you should be doing.
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04-03-2021 , 09:50 AM
NL 10, 1229 hands, -53.97 usd net won, -43.9 bb/100, -42.7 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 181 hands, 4.05 usd net won, 22.4 bb/100, -45.9 EV bb/100

My luck has run out. I noticed my poker skills dropped after having this little day or two break. The same thing happened to my chess when I started playing poker again.

I managed to make hotkeys finally work. I wouldn't recommend using them for any other situation than preflop. It messes with your brain, leading to hot headedness. You start playing automatically without actually having the skills. When you play poker you want to tell a believable story, not rip the scrip.

I bought hand2note sub and have been trying to make it shine. It hasn't been working. Waste of money. Difficult to use with no manual. I should just continue with my gto plan. If I learn the correct frequencies even somewhere close, It should be easy to beat the games, and it will be easy to increase aggression if I ever feel like it.

My new schedule:
25 minutes hand review
25 minutes practising gto
100 minutes playing
25 minutes hand review
100 minutes playing
25 minutes hand review

Overall 6.5 hours including breaks and using pomodoros. After I have done this, I can fool around with other stuff. There will be random stops in between, but the main point is to ignore all other poker related happenings and just trust the system. Don't rage against the machine.

I have tried trading again with the little crypto I have. Every time the price seems to go the other way. Selling is just so risky right now. Supposedly we are at the middle of altcoin season. Shitcoins pumping should signal the end.



It's probably suicide to 4bet TT 239 bb deep.



First of all, I'm not supposed to 3bet this hand. AK-ATs, A5s and some A4-A3s are the aggressive ones. Wizard wants to go quite polar with the suited hands, though ignoring the really bad ones like 74s and all 2xs. Makes sense as it's so profitable to just call as the last man to act and with position. On the flop A5cc would mostly just bet 67%. If I had done that, A5 would shove his raise. I really didn't want to fold turn, but obviously I should have.
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04-03-2021 , 09:58 AM
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I would ignore redline. In the games you play, villains are getting it in bad all day long i.e. they are making mistakes that hurt your redline and greatly benefit your blueline. Also, you can for example start making bad value bets on the river to shift your winnings from blue to red, but I don't think that is what you should be doing.
Yeah it seems there are big winners with negative red lines too. Might as well continue with my old style. I just found this big zoom guy who recommended to play loose preflop and exploit fish to the max and raise the redline near the sun. My eyes started shivering with excitement. But really even micro zoom tables does have lots of tight regulars. I haven't noticed any loose calls from them. I often find myself being the loose shitter.
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04-04-2021 , 12:59 PM
NL 10, 2577 hands, -61.65 usd net won, -23.9 bb/100, -21.5 EV bb/100
PLO 10, 842 hands, 9.3 usd net won, 11 bb/100, -14.9 EV bb/100

Finally I played 2000 hands in one day. My program worked. EV also went up. Good day.

Some days ago I learnt 4betting in omaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2KfGGJiWYc

IP you should fold less vs a 3bet. OOP you should 4bet more.

EP vs MP:
AA is always 4betting. KK is calling 34%. Other pairs call around 50%. None of the pairs is 4betting. DS rundowns are doing some 4betting. DS a-high rundown is folding 39%. SS a-high rundown is folding 95%. SS rundown with no ace is always calling.

4bet candidates:
DS a-high rundowns: Ah8hJs9s, Ah7h6s8s. The key is to unblock kings and queens. Maybe villain will fold them to a 4bet.
DS rundowns: Qh8hTs9s, Th8hJs7s, 9hTh76s8s
Perfect connectors like to just call.
Folding to 3bet: Ah6hKs9s, AhTh9s2s



I donk because my range is pretty good on the flop. I think it's ok to stack off. I have no flush draw blockers so calling doesn't tempt me too much.




I was way out of my comfort zone. No idea whose range the flop favors.




Maybe my hand is strong enough to call a 3bet, but I should fold to the sneaky 4bet. I was somehow hoping they would both have AA.




I knew mp was a fish, but I thought at least one of them must have me beat. I have lost so many QQ vs AA hands, that I just had enough.
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