Thanks for all the feedback guys.

@botson, sick part is I can't even get this ****in NBN **** where I live. :')

Re the A9s, I think it was probably marginal but bad given the table was 10 handed, sorta 3b happy. 8 handed I think it becomes closer.

@clanty, isn't that nice.

Do what ever you can to get what ever you want so you can do what ever you want for as long as you can. Just do what ever you can to further your own cause and life goals.

Also how soft is 2/5 live. Would you say it's harder than 50z?

Good luck meale.

Pretty much man.

Very.

It's significantly easier than 2NLz. The roof for live winrates is about 10bb/hour and you play 30 hands per hour so you're looking at something like 30bb/100 in terms of winrates for the best players in the best games. AFAIK, I don't think anyone's been able to beat 2NL for much more than 20bb/100.

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Anywho, thinking I MIGHT wrap this thread up early for a couple of reasons I'll state below:

I'm basically playing no poker. I kinda recently started a health kick and in my case that came in the form of bulking up. Unfortunately, to do this right, it pretty much has to consume your life. I'll be training 6 times a week and eating pretty much constantly. When I'm not training, eating, or at work (which I'm at for 40 hours a week), I'm probably sleeping.

Originally I had planned to play Friday and Saturday nights but scrapped Friday because playing a long session after a long work day was far too brutal to maintain - also directly contradicts my health goals which require a lot of sleeping and eating - neither of which happen when playing Friday night.

So I said I'd just do Saturdays but since I'm now spending all of Sunday food shopping and cooking/meal prep for the week, Saturday I want mostly free to train and to function as a sort of rest day so I can have at least a few hours to relax/do whatever.

I may still play poker probably every other week but see no real need to maintain a thread for a single sporadic session every so often.

In terms of the big poker goals and becoming a pro this year etc, that's still all going ahead. Just that I'll basically be saving ~500ish a week from my salary to go towards that. If I can maintain that pace, it will probably only be about 8-9 months away before I have enough cash to make the move. At that point I'll be making a new thread anyway and updating daily since I'll be playing full time.

Cliffs:
- Probably not much poker for the next 8-9 months while I save so doubt I'll be updating much
- See yall then for epic PGC.

Just play a little online on the sides! Play 2nlz and try beat it for 20bb+ or something


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Yeah maybe. Wouldn't mind playing a little micro PLO to keep working on that but not sure how much longer Stars will work in Australia. But yeah, 2NLz is boring as **** imo but might play some PLO5-10 or sth.

Definitely keep the thread up though, get yourself a challenge to beat xPL or something

I might actually mate. Problem though is I have ****all time to play even online and will take ages to get a sample. But will give it a crack I suppose. Deposited $100 to play some PLO5z.

Question:

160bb deep.

You have ATAT, 4bet preflop, villain calls.

54bb in the middle, with about 130bb behind, flop comes:

89Qr

We're IP. What the **** do we do here? cbet+fold? cbet+call? x+fold? x+call? x+jam? Of all 5 options we have on the flop, I have no idea which is better.

I'd lean towards cbet/GII but his range is so stronk on this board if he put it in? We block some of his nut combos but there's very few bluffs he can have here if he wants to stack off. So I guess it's like a cbet/fold?

im not sure what stakes your playing plo but you shouldn't be playing plo even in a 100nl game with the little experience you have variance and the understanding of the game will lead to you not been able to achieve your goals.

but good luck mate hopefully you can break through on to the live scene

and about the hand i have no ****ing clue lol

theres a website the plo guys use called pro poker tools check it out
youl be able to put in ranges and see your equity when called and go from there

Lol dw mate I'm not stupid enough to jump into PLO100 online. I'm playing PLO5z atm just to practice for the live stuff and for fun. I'd happily play any live PLO game rn because there's a huge difference between PLO100 online and live. I just don't have the roll/time for it and I think hold'em is still more profitable for me when I do play.

ty me too

Yeah I've heard of this calculator. wrt the hand I'm not so much concerned about equities but more how different lines affect the range we play against in the hand.

Played nearly 2k hands of PLO5z today. It says in HEM I won $30 but for some reason my roll on Stars is only at $115 so I'm wondering whether Stars or HEM has fk'd it by $15.

Guess I'll play some more in my free time which is very sparse. If I get to $200 roll I'll move up to 10PLOz.

Doesnt sound reasonable first you come up with awesome goals then you realize its not doable and completely give up and move to plo5 from the original goal of crushing 2/5 live.

If I would be you I would re-evaluate how important the bodybuilding and all the time for that is compared to grinding live poker. You wanted to become live pro - it doenst happen by playign plo5 neither by bodybuilding.

Just my two cents and obv. do whatever you want just sounds like you had difficulty and you just insta move to something easier.

I'm not "moving to PLO5 from the original goal". I'm not sure how much of this thread you've read but As I said, the goal of playing 2/5 live professionally by year's end is still very much happening. I just need to save money now so I have a bankroll to actually do it. If I had 25k right now I'd be playing poker 50 hours a week while still doing the fitness stuff. I can't juggle the three though (work, fitness, and poker).

Whether I kept playing 1-2 sessions a week of poker or not, I'd still need to work for the next 6-9 months to save enough money to go full time poker. The EV of me playing those 1-2 sessions a week monetarily isn't a lot - the only benefit to me would be learning and improving and tbh I don't think there's an incredible amount to learn left for me to win in these games. You sit down with a bunch of idiots and print money.

I've neglected my health/fitness for too long now and hate that I'm always putting it off. "oh I'll start eating and training properly when I go full time with poker", but that's still a little way off and want to get a head start.

The PLO5 is probably going to be an hour or two a week max lol, has nothing to do with this thread really but I did say I want to improve my PLO game for the live rotation games so I think there's some value getting even tiny volume in.

Okay sorrys good to hear you have everything planned! I missunderstood.

Wishing you all the best over the next few months. Gl especially with the manual labour grind, I found it super difficult to do that for long periods of time and it's good your putting money aside.

Will be pumped when you have the roll, thread will be a sick rail.

@Kilj hah all good mate!
@Labax, thanks so much man. Yeah the work grind is a little brutal and I'm spending a bunch more cash on food now so saving 500 P/w will be a stretch. Hoping no unexpected expenses crop up in the next 6 months because that'll slow things down a bit. The good news is that I MIGHT be moving from the 35 degree factory to the air conditioned office at work - hopefully my boss goes ahead with that promotion and possibly this means I'll get some more dosh per week and will be less tired.

But yeah, when I have my roll together, going to look to have the sickest LMSNL PGC - doing 50 hours a week between Crown and Melbourne's home games.

Speaking of, one of my local games just ran its first 25/25 PLO game. This is cool because it's good to see there are big games around so that when things go well, I'll have somewhere to move up to. Also motivates me to keep studying PLO because I feel as though the majority of the big midstakes and small high stakes games are going to be PLO.

Will update this sporadically re my savings and PlO study. Cheers for being a part of it so far.

Don't forget the other positive of moving into the office! You won't need to eat as much to maintain your bulk, which means lower food costs, which means more savings!


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Yeah absolutely man. Most +EV move in every respect imo.

Any PLO players on Stars know what's going on? My session says I lost $17. Started today with $115 in the roll. And now on Stars it's saying I have $70? I definitely didn't lose 9 buyins today. Anyone know wtf is going on?

Several people were having issues with HH and hand replayer.

Whether I kept playing 1-2 sessions a week of poker or not, I'd still need to work for the next 6-9 months to save enough money to go full time poker. The EV of me playing those 1-2 sessions a week monetarily isn't a lot - the only benefit to me would be learning and improving and tbh I don't think there's an incredible amount to learn left for me to win in these games. You sit down with a bunch of idiots and print money.


If you don't neeed to study for the game and you sit down with idiots and print money then not doing this a few times a week definitely is losing you considerable money. If you can grind 10 hours at 10bb that you are throwing around that's your entire savings goal weekly in one session. I agree with kiljussepo, seems like a cop out, all the people I know succeeding in poker with a job do more than 40 hours a week and go to the gym.

Push yourself harder, there are lots of hours left in a week when you o let work 40! I want to see you succeed because you're young but you need to go for it. You don't stop training when you get tired do you?

Yeah, replayer is ****ed. No idea what's going on. I looked at the Stars audit but ****'s just gibberish to me.

There's no physical way for me to do this a few times a week. Something has to give at some point.

I don't think 10bb is possible in Australia with the rake. And to play any poker requires a bankroll which I really don't have at the moment.

More than 40 hours a week at what? Their job? I guarantee you no one's working >40 hours a week in a highly physical job, playing meaningful poker volume, while training 6 times a week and eating 6k calories a day and sleeping 7 hours a night. Pls show me this list.

For people working a standard 9-5 desk job, of course there's plenty more hours in the week. A lot of people I know work their job then go straight to the casino for x hours each night.

For me, I get up at 3am, travel 30 minutes to work, lift ~3-4 tons of glass for 8 hours, travel 30 minutes home, work out, eat, and by that stage it's probably like 6pm. I go straight to bed so I can sleep for 7-8 hours before doing it all over again.

To put volume in on top of that would require probably 1.5 hour train trip to casino, grind for x hours, 1.5 hours to get back. If I had 30 hours in a day, I COULD maybe do this but I'd still only get like 3 hours of volume in.

The fact of the matter is, there's no conceivable way for me to play ANY volume during the week. There's 1 day where I could do a decent session but I think rest + couple hours for something of a social life is higher EV.

I appreciate that mate. And it's not as though I'm giving it up, as I said earlier. I will be going for it like crazy when I get to Melbourne. I am heart set on playing 2.5k hours in 2018. But for me to realise this, I need a bankroll and I need to move out of Brisbane.

Current situation is not conducive to putting in much (if any) poker volume. Lack of bankroll and time in the week. It's not a cop out either afaics.

Fair enough.

All your points are valid. I would however say that a physical job is preferable for me if I want to play poker after. I run a tiling company now and I never do physical work and I've also been a grano, I would rather play after concreting all day because I'm mentally still sharp. When I'm pricing, invoicing and dealing with site managers all day it dries your brain and makes it very hard to concentrate. Fwiw I do 55-60 a week and have done since I got to straya.

I think you should try and play Saturday as mate ch as you feel you are able.

Good luck

It's interesting you say that. Currently, I'm absolutely fried whenever I get home from work. Like borderline falling asleep at 3pm. Perhaps I'm just not used to it yet or maybe I'm not getting as much sleep as I need. Pre-workout is saving me in the afternoons atm.

I've never had a job that involves thinking or any real mental expenditure. As someone who enjoys thinking, I much prefer, at least on paper, the notion of working an office job, sitting down all day. Of course then training before/after. I get that your brain might be a little cooked after being used all day if you then go try play poker.

Last Friday I tried playing poker after work. Started my day at 3am, working 5am-2pm, went home, got to the casino, and then played til about 11pm for something like 7.5 hours. At this stage, I was seriously concerned I wouldn't make it home. Was driving so fatigued and felt so horrible: hungry, headache, falling asleep. Felt like trash and so won't be doing that again. Maybe a 4-5 hour session would have been better but it's a long time in transit for such a short session.

Depends on how physically or mentally drained you are. Either one can be bad.

Don't really have to think to play live though.

You might expect this from me, but I do honestly think your latest plans ref bulking and sacrificing Poker are somewhat sporadic and almost "convenient", and imo it's evidenced by the way you worded it.

GL either way, but I think the cons outweight the pro's here, unless you're absolutely dead-set on bulking, and therefore more passionate about it than Poker. I doubt it, though.

I understand that it'd come across that way. The bulking/fitness/whatever you want to call it is something that was originally going to happen as soon as I'd got to Melbourne and was playing full time. I want it ingrained as part of my routine and day to day life sooner rather than later. It's a lifestyle choice and so find it hard to call it a priority. Poker is my only priority rn. It's what I intend on making a career out of and will be dedicating my life to shortly. I cannot give it my all at the moment and so it's essentially on the back burner until I can. The best thing I can do re poker ATM is save money. That doesn't mean "no more poker til some vague point in time then maybs" - it means no more poker (rather very little) until I have $25k, and can commit to it completely which WILL be within the next 9 months. If I have to revert to selling drugs to ensure that 9 month deadline is met, I will.

But yes, it looks as though I'm avoiding the issue ATM, I'll admit. If I'd started the year out +$2k instead of down $2k would things be different? Maybe. For one I'd have enough money to play with (I.e. a bankroll). In any case, I'd be here in Brisbane for another 6-9 months regardless - I'd just be a lot less healthy and happy in 6 months had I been able to continue. A friend I'm making the move to Melbourne with doesn't want to go much earlier than this time frame so even if I had my 20-25k, chances are I'd stick around a little while longer to earn some more cash and pad the roll.