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10-05-2016 , 03:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by plop85
When studying start with the hands/ranges that take place with higher frequencies.

Playing optimally T9s in a 3bet pot OOP is a very good thing to know but this will hapen with such a low frequency that shouldn`t normally affect your WR if you`re just playing it intuitively and not optimally.

I would also sort the database by the players I have most hands on and start analyzing each of them to find their leaks and start creating exploitable strategies against them. When playing multiple tables it`s hard to notice a lot of things, especially in the zoom format where you fold and can not see how the hands play out.

You could also try creating some very specific colour codes for the opponents based on the info that is most useful to you.

Good luck !
You example isn't very good, because 3-bet pots with suited connectors is actually a pretty important thing to learn, imo.
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10-05-2016 , 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I think that there are more profitable ways to play 50z-200z than using a solver

Not as true when you start playing 500z and higher no z games, of course.
knowing theory helps a lot in situations where you're not sure how to react to villain, this knowledge doesn't prevent you from exploiting fishes, I just see so many people who say stuff like "nobody ever bluffs for this sizing at 50z" so they just fold vs literally everybody in that spot, instead of exploiting specific players they're trying to exploit the whole pool as if everybody played the same... It's a terrible approach
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10-05-2016 , 10:51 AM
AKdd I also xc. Pretty sure bet 1/3psb is like one of the worst options? How are you betting your entire range?
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10-05-2016 , 10:58 AM
Why would we bet a flop at a high frequency when the board is 1000000x better for villains range?

I really dislike the 1/3 psb
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10-05-2016 , 07:54 PM
on this texture 1/3 is my normal size with range. we have all overpairs here although villain does have sets and fd too. i think it's kind of neutral.

in regards to theory etc i like both. i study but not will solvers and make explo plays.

i would like to get a program like pio soon
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10-05-2016 , 08:20 PM
why are you using 1/3 given stack depth and this texture?
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10-05-2016 , 08:38 PM
150bb effective
we can still get stacks in
villain has 6 combos of sets most likely (90% of time would fold 33 imo)
Most of villains range is 99-QQ and fd like Qjdd, j10dd

It would certainly be nice to check call and check raise if we hit turn, perhaps thats better.

I would size up flop when maybe 165Bb+ or simply enough to get stacks in over 3 streets
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10-05-2016 , 09:50 PM
Why do we assume how will be turn letting us c/r turn if we bet 1/3 on flop? I really don't feel like any of the reasons you listed are for 1/3 bets instead of 1/2 or 2/3. (or just checking)
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10-06-2016 , 03:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Why do we assume how will be turn letting us c/r turn if we bet 1/3 on flop? I really don't feel like any of the reasons you listed are for 1/3 bets instead of 1/2 or 2/3. (or just checking)
I`m pretty interested in this statement. Care to back it up with some numbers to see why some options are better than others ?
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10-06-2016 , 03:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Why do we assume how will be turn letting us c/r turn if we bet 1/3 on flop? I really don't feel like any of the reasons you listed are for 1/3 bets instead of 1/2 or 2/3. (or just checking)
If we XC flop and XR turn.

Quote:
Originally Posted by plop85
I`m pretty interested in this statement. Care to back it up with some numbers to see why some options are better than others ?
PIO solver is the answer?


Cant remember the date in pt4 of last update but here is past 2 days

Playing well in spite of a few bad calls when getting donked into, they always have it lol I cant fold sets on flush board vs fish betting half pot




Hands

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $52.25
SB: $50.25
BB: $62.01
UTG: $123.18
Hero (MP): $68.86
CO: $109.97

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) K 4 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.31, BB calls $2.31

Turn: ($7.87) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $13.50, Hero raises to $32.50, BB raises to $58.20 all in, Hero calls $25.70

River: ($124.27) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $124.27
BB shows 5h 7h (a straight, Four to Eight)
Hero shows 8d 8c (three of a kind, Eights)
BB wins $122.27
(Rake: $2.00)




Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $22.75
Hero (SB): $66.34
BB: $89.61
UTG: $114.44
MP: $57.54
CO: $101.77

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.25, Hero raises to $6.50, 1 fold, MP calls $5.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.75) 3 7 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Turn: ($24.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $13, MP calls $13

River: ($50.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $41.84 all in, MP calls $33.04 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $116.83
Hero shows Kd Kc (two pair, Kings and Threes)
MP shows Td Jd (a straight, Seven to Jack)
MP wins $114.83
(Rake: $2.00)




Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $74.67
SB: $46.02
Hero (BB): $141.42
UTG: $89.60
MP: $114.15
CO: $67.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 8 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 3 6 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.45) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.88, Hero calls $3.88

River: ($13.21) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.77, Hero raises to $26, BTN folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $28.75
Hero mucks 8s 7s
Hero wins $27.31
(Rake: $1.44)



miss click lol

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $149.80
BB: $50.75
UTG: $58.07
MP: $54.03
CO: $41.98

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 8 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $3.75, BB raises to $9.50, Hero calls $8.50, SB calls $5.75

Flop: ($28.50) 9 J T (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $12, SB folds, BB folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $28.50
Hero mucks 8s 7s
Hero wins $27.08
(Rake: $1.42)
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10-06-2016 , 04:06 AM
Nice session. KK hand is ***, but it shows that there is still money in poker..
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10-06-2016 , 06:21 AM
I don't think that PioSolver the only thing to use when playing 50z. Playing more exploitative is proly better, because we can assume most are not playing GTO against us.
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10-06-2016 , 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I don't think that PioSolver the only thing to use when playing 50z. Playing more exploitative is proly better, because we can assume most are not playing GTO against us.
Piosolver is immensely useful for learning exploitative play too.
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10-06-2016 , 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Piosolver is immensely useful for learning exploitative play too.
Joe, Im aware you are a very theory based player (i think), however would you recommended me purchasing this software to improve?

Today




vs 4 tabler
maybe just xf...

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $89.67
SB: $66.07
Hero (BB): $57.44
UTG: $61.56
MP: $58.05
CO: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q K
1 fold, MP raises to $1.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) A T 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.76, Hero raises to $12, MP calls $8.24

River: ($29.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $19.49, Hero calls $19.49

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $68.73
Hero mucks Qc Kd
MP shows As Jd (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
MP wins $66.73
(Rake: $2.00)




they always have it

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $71.18
SB: $73.62
BB: $65.65
UTG: $50.00
MP: $103.43
Hero (CO): $53.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.75) 5 J J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.86, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2.14

Turn: ($8.75) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($20.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $32.75
BTN shows Qh Ah (a flush, Ace high)
Hero mucks Jc Kd
BTN wins $31.11
(Rake: $1.64)




or maybe not

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $44.21
SB: $81.67
BB: $50.00
UTG: $68.30
MP: $86.25
Hero (CO): $51.49

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with T A
UTG raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($5.25) 9 Q 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.59, UTG calls $2.59, MP folds

Turn: ($10.43) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6, UTG calls $6

River: ($22.43) J (2 players)
UTG bets $14.91, Hero calls $14.91

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $52.25
UTG shows Th Tc (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
Hero shows Td Ad (a flush, Ace high)
Hero wins $50.25
(Rake: $2.00)


Since my tilt induced DS my ev bb is 5.57 at 50z over 43k hands

not bad
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10-06-2016 , 06:19 PM
I think 200 on up players need Piosolver, so it can't hurt your game to start playing with it. I just think that it is not the most profitable thing right now.
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10-06-2016 , 11:28 PM
No way you need piosolver to beat 50z, just a waste of time and will probably complicate things unnecessarily for you atm. KQ i think is a bet fold, still value to be had from betting the river.

Last edited by mirage01; 10-06-2016 at 11:42 PM.
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10-07-2016 , 12:05 AM
you don't NEED piosolver to beat anything even up to nosebleeds but it sure helps
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10-07-2016 , 12:19 AM
Coaching from otb would also help, does not mean it's something he should be doing at this moment in time.
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10-07-2016 , 09:41 AM
Piosolver is easily worth 250 for a stars 50nl player. Work out how long it takes to pay for if you improve your winrate by 1bb...
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10-07-2016 , 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Piosolver is easily worth 250 for a stars 50nl player. Work out how long it takes to pay for if you improve your winrate by 1bb...
Used to watch you on grinder school


On a scale of 1-10 how complex would you say pio solver is?
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10-07-2016 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
No way you need piosolver to beat 50z, just a waste of time and will probably complicate things unnecessarily for you atm. KQ i think is a bet fold, still value to be had from betting the river.
I disagree. I think developing your knowledge as a player and learning theory can only be good for your game. It doesnt mean you need to play full gto style vs 50z pool, however im sure you could implement many things.

In fact I just did a DB review and thre are several spots where im unbalanced and need correcting. Im sure PIO could help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayth
you don't NEED piosolver to beat anything even up to nosebleeds but it sure helps
Agreed. Cant be bad for me right

Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
Coaching from otb would also help, does not mean it's something he should be doing at this moment in time.
**** yes. If i had that chance I would jump at it. Learning from the best is the fastest way to improve in any arena.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Piosolver is easily worth 250 for a stars 50nl player. Work out how long it takes to pay for if you improve your winrate by 1bb...
Not long I assume. Im going to purchase it. For 5BI at 50z its a good overall investment, especially when im shotting 100z.

Saturday today and only time for a shortish session. Im only 3 tabling ATM and im really comfortable with the pace. Mentally i feel superb

Graph




I felt we should be turning this hand into a bluff here...and villain is not checking a straight....thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $156.02
BB: $62.73
UTG: $20.62
MP: $50.00
CO: $119.49

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with T A
2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) T 6 9 (2 players)
CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) K (2 players)
CO bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

River: ($19.75) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $41.75
Hero shows Td Ac (a pair of Tens)
CO shows Qh Jd (a straight, Nine to King)
CO wins $39.75
(Rake: $2.00)




Can we shove river for value?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $124.02
SB: $58.68
BB: $52.25
UTG: $51.13
MP: $20.25
CO: $73.52

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K T
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $9.50, BB calls $5.50

Flop: ($19.25) 3 J 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.03, BB calls $6.03

Turn: ($31.31) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($31.31) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $108.49 all in, BB calls $36.72 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $104.75
Hero shows Kd Tc (two pair, Kings and Tens)
BB shows Jh Js (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
BB wins $102.75
(Rake: $2.00)




Jam turn? We block KQ, and have equity when called. The only hand that makes sence for vill is KQ, to check flop is ok and he hits turn.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $124.36
SB: $66.62
Hero (BB): $62.02
UTG: $73.18
MP: $60.85
CO: $19.59

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J Q
UTG raises to $1.30, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.85) J 9 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($2.85) T (2 players)
Hero bets $2.03, UTG raises to $7, Hero calls $4.97

River: ($16.85) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $21, Hero folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $16.85
UTG wins $16.01
(Rake: $0.84)



Grinding back progress since tilt downswing. Going well.

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10-07-2016 , 05:56 PM
H1 Given the board texture and runout it looks to me like villain is going to be making a bluff catching/ crying call a fair bit on that river.
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10-07-2016 , 09:10 PM
also if you don't want to make a mistake by overbluffing make sure you're at the bottom of your range by the river, I don't think AT qualifies for that although it may feel somewhat close

KT is fine

QJs is a little bit better as a call I believe given stack depths
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10-08-2016 , 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by max85
I disagree. I think developing your knowledge as a player and learning theory can only be good for your game. It doesnt mean you need to play full gto style vs 50z pool, however im sure you could implement many things.
its like trying to run before you can walk. You need to work on more fundamental theory before you get to the more advanced stuff if you cant beat 50z yet.
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10-08-2016 , 03:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
its like trying to run before you can walk. You need to work on more fundamental theory before you get to the more advanced stuff if you cant beat 50z yet.
Over my whole sample of 150K hands at 50z I'm winning at 2.35bb ev and that included punting off 43bi due to tilt.....so I believe my true winrate if mentally ok to be between 4-6bb.

My last 50k hands since the tilt ds is 5.5bb ev.

According to those who help me my game is solid and I do have fundamentals down.
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