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Old 03-18-2019, 08:43 PM   #8001
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Re: Mastering Mental Game and Mental Health

Good to see you getting back on track Ben!

I always love a good mayo story.
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Old 03-19-2019, 06:33 AM   #8002
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no such thing as a bad mayo story
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:38 PM   #8003
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Looool, what a champ. Time for a tesco's run I guess...
haha it's a formula for unreal hit, trust

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Good to see you getting back on track Ben!

I always love a good mayo story.
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no such thing as a bad mayo story
There was a certain not so nice one involving ****ting himself at a live poker table. UK crew can all confirm this as truth

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Booked another win today. Played some 500 on party again today too!



Also the fockin heater of a lifetime is obviously here, and stars knows it



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partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $2/$5 - 4 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $534.88 (107 bb)
BU: $317.83 (64 bb)
SB (Hero): $588.00 (118 bb)
BB: $361.50 (72 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($7.50) Hero is SB with A A
2 players fold, Hero raises to $15, BB 3-bets to $361.50 (all-in), Hero calls $346.50

Flop: ($723) 9 3 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($723) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($723) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $723 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
BB shows Q 8 (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 13%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

SB (Hero) shows A A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 87%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) wins $720

vs PGCer

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $136.84 (68 bb)
MP: $200.00 (100 bb)
CO: $181.22 (91 bb)
BU (Hero): $221.81 (111 bb)
SB: $198.00 (99 bb)
BB: $773.21 (387 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with K 9
3 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, BB calls $2.10

Flop: ($9.20) 8 2 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.74, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $23.26

Turn: ($73.20) Q (2 players)
BB bets $38, Hero calls $38

River: ($149.20) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $699.11 (all-in), Hero calls $147.71 (all-in)

Total pot: $444.62 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB shows 2 A (a pair of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 56%, Flop: 19%, Turn: 16%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) shows K 9 (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 81%, Turn: 84%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) wins $441.87

rec with the god's bluff

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $385.44 (193 bb)
MP: $235.35 (118 bb)
CO: $189.13 (95 bb)
BU: $602.47 (301 bb)
SB (Hero): $323.33 (162 bb)
BB: $228.90 (114 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is SB with K A
3 players fold, BTN raises to $4.40, Hero 3-bets to $22, 1 fold, BTN calls $17.60

Flop: ($46) Q K T (2 players)
Hero bets $14.42, BTN calls $14.42

Turn: ($74.84) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.95, Hero calls $25.95

River: ($126.74) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $95.47, Hero calls $95.47

Total pot: $317.68 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BU shows T J (two pair, Queens and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 36%, Turn: 20%, River: 0%)

SB (Hero) shows K A (two pair, Kings and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 65%, Flop: 64%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) wins $314.93

More grind tomorrow. Hoping to continue this smooth sailing grind!

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Old 03-19-2019, 08:41 PM   #8004
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Finland again in that A2o hand, right?
Lol
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:44 AM   #8005
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A2o isnt bad. I'm not sure how much he wants to raise the 95% size but think its ok.
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:53 AM   #8006
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A2o isnt bad. I'm not sure how much he wants to raise the 95% size but think its ok.


Nut best bluff hand imo


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Old 03-20-2019, 06:24 AM   #8007
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95% cbet on 982? is that what the solvers say?
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Old 03-20-2019, 06:41 AM   #8008
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:48 AM   #8009
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A2o isnt bad. I'm not sure how much he wants to raise the 95% size but think its ok.
It's an excellent play imo.

I asked because I thought few p&g would have the balls to bluff vs a pot otf
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:54 AM   #8010
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It's an excellent play imo.

I asked because I thought few p&g would have the balls to bluff vs a pot otf
lmao at "wouldnt have the balls"

what if I told you the play isnt excellent, because your xraising range against pot cbet should be VERY narrow? This combo probably gets raised with some ridic small frequency, like 10-20%, so given your argument with danmer you must surely consider it awful.
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:19 AM   #8011
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the river jam is the worse part of the play
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:21 AM   #8012
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We have nutblocker which isnt nodelogged at all from the looks of it so i definitely approve of this
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:03 PM   #8013
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lmao at "wouldnt have the balls"

what if I told you the play isnt excellent, because your xraising range against pot cbet should be VERY narrow? This combo probably gets raised with some ridic small frequency, like 10-20%, so given your argument with danmer you must surely consider it awful.
Yeah, he shouldn't be raising flop at a high frequency with that hand and we all know finland overdo with those monkey plays. But I think you're mistaken about how much oop should raise vs pot in there, I think it would x/r at least 10% of hands vs pot.

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And danmer's play will always be worse imo because he is playing vs high stakes sickos, sure that bena is good, but it's very likely that high stakes guys will punish overbluffs way more. And you're comparing an overbluff with bad blockers in a very predictable spot where hero will have an abundance of available bluffs (danmer) to a spot where 99% of population will struggle to get to the river with bluff candidates(finland).

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the river jam is the worse part of the play
I disagree, the jam is mandatory imo, actually I wouldn't be surprised if his x/r otf lost EV on the majority of runnouts but that's the type of texture that he will make most of EV on, specially when population overfolds there (rightfully so)
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:30 PM   #8014
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We have nutblocker which isnt nodelogged at all from the looks of it so i definitely approve of this
haha tim saves the discussion
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:36 PM   #8015
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But I think you're mistaken about how much oop should raise vs pot in there, I think it would x/r at least 10% of hands vs pot.

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Im pretty sure it would raise around 5%, probably less.

You cant just assume what bena thinks or not. this play is simply as bad or as good as danmer’s.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:35 PM   #8016
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the river jam is the worse part of the play
Curious why you think that?

Think the play is fine tbh. Vs pot cbet of course x/r range is going to be narrow (def less than 10% rapidesh) but seems like a decent candidate to x/r some of the time, although vs sizing i imagine pio would call majority of the time.

I would in general go smaller on turn as villain and then bluff river a decent portion of the time. Given his turn sizing perhaps you think Hero isn't going to have much of a folding range on river?
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:46 PM   #8017
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Saying that vs pot cbet x/r should be super narrow is 100% correct. In theory. And Bena should be folding quite a bit of his top range hands for the jam to work on this river (with how the hand was played before, so I can see how you think this is bad).

Buuuut Hero is not PIO and villain is not PIO. Imo this would super heavily depend on how villain perceives Bena's cbet range. What do you guys think he can be potting flop with? Correct me if I'm wrong, but K9s on this flop is also a deviation from how PIO plays it, so should we really evaluate this hand from the readless "GTO" perspective?
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:52 PM   #8018
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Curious why you think that?

Think the play is fine tbh. Vs pot cbet of course x/r range is going to be narrow (def less than 10% rapidesh) but seems like a decent candidate to x/r some of the time, although vs sizing i imagine pio would call majority of the time.

I would in general go smaller on turn as villain and then bluff river a decent portion of the time. Given his turn sizing perhaps you think Hero isn't going to have much of a folding range on river?
I think xenoblade thinks it's a terrible bluff combo pio vs pio because it has terrible removal (blocks 22/Ad floats). But what he is missing is that humans play way differently than pio in that spot: x/r more FDs and less random garbage with diamonds (not this villain though), making IP have to defend way less on that runnout.

If you're perceived to underbluff in a spot, then any bluff candidate will have to make it

Also bena probably doesn't pot Ad8x otf
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:06 PM   #8019
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technically when you jam river you want to fold out all the AdX that are never folding either flop or turn so by having it you just have less fold equity than by jamming any other flush blocker

I also disagree that pop plays much more different than pio in bena's shoes

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Old 03-20-2019, 03:10 PM   #8020
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I think xenoblade thinks it's a terrible bluff combo pio vs pio because it has terrible removal (blocks 22/Ad floats). But what he is missing is that humans play way differently than pio in that spot: x/r more FDs and less random garbage with diamonds (not this villain though), making IP have to defend way less on that runnout.

If you're perceived to underbluff in a spot, then any bluff candidate will have to make it

Also bena probably doesn't pot Ad8x otf
Your explanation doesn't really go anywhere since I'm very confident PIO will bluff Ad2o combos greater 50% of the time. In general a lot of these spots are villain dependent.

Pretty sure most of our betting range is going to want to go big on this texture so think Bena's sizing makes a lot of sense as well
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:21 PM   #8021
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Your explanation doesn't really go anywhere since I'm very confident PIO will bluff Ad2o combos greater 50% of the time. In general a lot of these spots are villain dependent.

Pretty sure most of our betting range is going to want to go big on this texture so think Bena's sizing makes a lot of sense as well
If we want to bet big or not in here has more to do with what villain is 3-betting pre than to how connected the board is, depending on pf ranges pio will even prefer overbetting the flop.

It depends also on if you know what hands can profitably defend vs the big sizing otf and how that will dictate your strategy on some turns/rivers if you want to implement a big sizing in that spot.
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:21 PM   #8022
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Its pretty obvious you havent done any work with this or similar cbet sizings rapidesh and youre just projecting your own biases (raise%, villain being perceived to underbluff, bena doing this and that etc). You cant just assume something is or isnt done just because you dont understand it.


Btw fwiw i wasnt saying flop raise is bad, was just taking a dig at rapidesh bashing danmer for exactly the same thing finland did here
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:31 PM   #8023
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yuck bena's thread really does turn into a shtfest way too often lately

ITS ENOUGH GUYS
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:46 PM   #8024
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yuck bena's thread really does turn into a shtfest way too often lately

ITS ENOUGH GUYS
This discussion is very constructive, people don't discuss strat openly in these days, specially with very good players like bbsick, xenoblade and josemourinho.

It's way better to use our time to get better at poker than cursing each other/making prop bets/HU4rollz. The only ones who benefit from that are those guys at the top.
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:53 PM   #8025
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yuck bena's thread really does turn into a shtfest way too often lately

ITS ENOUGH GUYS
You have to stop reading the thread at some frequency
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