this is a butt or boobs reference right?! finally i understand something on this page

yeah you do make a good point, however, i've seen all too many graphs like this for my liking.

Pokerstars is without a doubt easier, but i dunno if it's more profitable without the rakeback. All i know is that i don't feel at all stressed playing 200nl but at 500 on party i did haha

I do too man

haha, people don't know bout the lucozade/jelly tot strat either tho do they

lmao, can confirm

Tend to agree here too

haha welcome back to the thread

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Seems like you guys pretty much got things under control here atm. There are a lot of things i could respond to, but tbh, it's pretty long winded and flogging a dead horse for the most part. All i will say is that whoever is running sims vs 60 vpips needs to sort their life out immediately

Today was full of guys taking rot lines and making hit! But i did win, so i'll take it. Nice to know that even if i run bad, i'm playing games i can still win in. Unlike party where today would've been a -5k!



Rec giving me all the cash

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $313.46 (157 bb)
MP: $314.93 (157 bb)
CO: $338.14 (169 bb)
BU: $142.63 (71 bb)
SB: $391.71 (196 bb)
BB (Hero): $638.27 (319 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with 7♣ 7♦
UTG raises to $5, 4 players fold, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($11) 7♠ T♦ A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.23, Hero raises to $18.78, UTG calls $13.55

Turn: ($48.56) K♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $69.20, UTG calls $69.20

River: ($186.96) K♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $276.32, UTG calls $220.48 (all-in)

Total pot: $627.92 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 7♣ 7♦ (a full house, Sevens full of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 95%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

UTG shows 5♦ A♦ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 5%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins $625.17

Speculative bet call otr

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $208.00 (104 bb)
MP: $515.34 (258 bb)
CO (Hero): $255.16 (128 bb)
BU: $207.84 (104 bb)
SB: $282.08 (141 bb)
BB: $291.06 (146 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with J♥ K♥
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero 3-bets to $15, 3 players fold, MP calls $11

Flop: ($33) 9♠ T♠ 2♥ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10.35, MP calls $10.35

Turn: ($53.70) 6♦ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $40.27, MP calls $40.27

River: ($134.24) Q♦ (2 players)
MP bets $66, Hero raises to $189.54 (all-in), MP calls $123.54

Total pot: $513.32 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows J♥ K♥ (a straight, Nine to King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 77%, Turn: 77%, River: 100%)

MP shows Q♥ 8♥ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) wins $510.57

one of the rewards vs nit reg. He played pre well, post was kinda disastrous ya know. Boated second runout too obvs

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $200.00 (100 bb)
MP: $923.15 (462 bb)
CO (Hero): $200.00 (100 bb)
BU: $207.31 (104 bb)
SB: $200.00 (100 bb)
BB: $691.35 (346 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with 8♥ 6♥
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $13.90

Flop: ($38) J♠ 7♦ 9♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.91, SB raises to $45, Hero calls $33.09

Turn: ($128) T♥ (2 players)
SB bets $137 (all-in), Hero calls $137 (all-in)

First River: ($402) 8♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($402) 9♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $402 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: J♠ 7♦ 9♦ T♥ 8♣

SB shows 7♣ 7♥ (a straight, Seven to Jack)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 75%, Turn: 26%, River: 50%)

CO (Hero) shows 8♥ 6♥ (a straight, Seven to Jack)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 25%, Turn: 74%, River: 50%)

SB wins $99.81
CO (Hero) wins $99.81

Second Showdown: Board: J♠ 7♦ 9♦ T♥ 9♥

SB shows 7♣ 7♥ (a full house, Sevens full of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 75%, Turn: 26%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) shows 8♥ 6♥ (a straight, Seven to Jack)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 25%, Turn: 74%, River: 0%)

SB wins $199.63

Reg with rep nothing, have nothing line

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $200.00 (100 bb)
MP: $323.79 (162 bb)
CO (Hero): $386.15 (193 bb)
BU: $213.49 (107 bb)
SB: $233.05 (117 bb)
BB: $203.00 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with 9♥ A♣
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, BTN calls $4.10, 2 players fold

Flop: ($11.20) 9♦ 3♠ 2♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($11.20) 5♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $7.98, BTN calls $7.98

River: ($27.16) K♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $19.35, BTN raises to $64.50, Hero calls $45.15

Total pot: $156.16 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BU shows A♠ J♣ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 73%, Flop: 13%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) shows 9♥ A♣ (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 27%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) wins $153.41

Pretty interesting one vs new UK guy. Plays pretty reggy, but also took a couple stink lines so i dunno. Thoughts from anyone are welcome!

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $213.00 (107 bb)
MP: $197.50 (99 bb)
CO (Hero): $244.51 (122 bb)
BU: $200.00 (100 bb)
SB: $225.88 (113 bb)
BB: $283.65 (142 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with 9♥ K♥
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $20, Hero calls $15.90

Flop: ($41) 4♠ 9♦ 7♣ (2 players)
BB bets $25.71, Hero calls $25.71

Turn: ($92.42) 8♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22.42, BB calls $22.42

River: ($137.26) T♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $53.80

Will be grinding tomorrow at some stage.

glgl

Haha, agreed.

On that K9s hand CO vs BB I think K9s is a fold, not sure how monker plays that spot but I expect a mix and if you consider that people 3-bet tighter than monker and rake is very high (specially in 3bp), 4-bet or fold seem better options pre.

Otr it looks like a spot you will struggle to find bluffs on, so vs a good player you should bluff this imo, but vs bad regs/population I think it's better to just underbluff here and valuebet sets for that sizing because a lot of guys hate to fold vs the small bet and won't realize they're overdefending vs that. Always bluffing with Qx though, because of the chance that they think about their blockers before calling.

The bad thing about not bluffing this is that most people will get to the river with way less AQ/AK than pio and more overpairs, so we won't win much after we x back. So you could go full monkey mode and just jam always as a bluff, but that's too much street poker lol.

like a broken record

Go on....

only valid argument is rake i guess. monker would never mix folding w K9s here. ppl will play worse postflop oop than solvers so we overrealize eq. tldr do not fold K9s




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I actually looked at monker and it was calling 25%, 4-betting like 10% and folding the rest.

In a 0 rake environment, sure, but K9 suffers a lot vs villain's Kx that always dominate us. Rake becomes a very big problem in 3bps because it goes with a high frequency to the cap. When a solver plays a mixed strat and you have some arguments for the fold, just go tighter.

I think you're overestimating player skill difference, even vs a lesser skilled player and IP, if his range is tight there's almost nothing bena can do to make this +EV after the rake if he is facing a range that is JTs+, 99+, AQo+. Also it's better to defend 56s/67s before this hand.

Vs SB it's another story, because people won't have the option to cc pre so they will end up looser, still close though.

Agree with all of this.

Thanks for the feedback. I personally wouldn't ever dream of folding K9s here, even vs BB, however I probably do need to account for higher relative rake.

Regardless of the rake considerations, i don't reaaally feel like jamming the river achieves anything. I would imagine his river call/shove range is inelastic and i don't wanna put unnecessary amounts of bb's at risk if i don't have to. I dunno tbh, it's interesting.

haha. Well there was this one time that frank (mayo) played for 3 days straight and all he ate for the entire session was lucozade and jelly tots. Also, iirc, he then slept under his desk under a towel because his student house didn't have central heating. Maybe they weren't on the same day, but both certainly happened

yes

Fair

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Today was a good day. Gazzy paid for our roast after i had already lost the flip for food cus he's a great guy, and then i ran above ev, made 7bi and actually quit in peak.



Proof that K9s from co is a winning play



PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $525.76 (263 bb)
MP: $200.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $528.96 (264 bb)
BU: $495.28 (248 bb)
SB: $200.00 (100 bb)
BB: $229.54 (115 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with 9♦ K♦
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 2 players fold, BB 3-bets to $14, Hero calls $9.90

Flop: ($29) 9♠ 7♦ 9♥ (2 players)
BB bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($57) 5♦ (2 players)
BB bets $40.69, Hero calls $40.69

River: ($138.38) 4♣ (2 players)
BB bets $160.85 (all-in), Hero calls $160.85

Total pot: $460.08 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB shows A♠ 5♥ (two pair, Nines and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 55%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) shows 9♦ K♦ (three of a kind, Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 45%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) wins $457.33

Don't defend K9s from co? What bout K8s from UTG?

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $758.06 (379 bb)
MP: $211.00 (106 bb)
CO: $222.02 (111 bb)
BU: $234.29 (117 bb)
SB: $307.28 (154 bb)
BB: $368.02 (184 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is UTG with K♦ 8♦
Hero raises to $4.10, 3 players fold, SB 3-bets to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $7.90

Flop: ($26) J♦ T♠ 5♦ (2 players)
SB bets $11.86, Hero calls $11.86

Turn: ($49.72) 4♠ (2 players)
SB bets $28.81, Hero calls $28.81

River: ($107.34) 9♦ (2 players)
SB bets $36.61, Hero raises to $705.39 (all-in), SB calls $218 (all-in)

Total pot: $616.56 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows K♦ 8♦ (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 16%, River: 100%)

SB shows J♣ J♥ (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 84%, River: 0%)

UTG (Hero) wins $613.81

PGCer with the big <3

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $200.00 (100 bb)
MP (Hero): $208.43 (104 bb)
CO: $686.18 (343 bb)
BU: $200.00 (100 bb)
SB: $883.12 (442 bb)
BB: $428.56 (214 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is MP with 7♥ 7♠
1 fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 2 players fold, SB calls $3.10, BB calls $2.10

Flop: ($12.30) 7♦ Q♠ 8♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.67, SB folds, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $46.61, BB raises to $424.46 (all-in), Hero calls $157.72 (all-in)

Turn: ($420.96) 4♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($420.96) 3♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $420.96 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB shows 6♥ 8♦ (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 6%, Turn: 9%, River: 0%)

MP (Hero) shows 7♥ 7♠ (three of a kind, Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 94%, Turn: 91%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) wins $418.21

Unbelievable outplay vs 2 recs

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $506.45 (253 bb)
MP: $136.00 (68 bb)
CO (Hero): $300.44 (150 bb)
BU: $180.91 (90 bb)
SB: $231.64 (116 bb)
BB: $299.62 (150 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with A♣ A♦
2 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, BTN calls $4.10, SB calls $3.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.30) T♠ A♥ 5♠ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $13.58, SB calls $13.58, Hero raises to $38.31, BTN calls $24.73, SB folds

Turn: ($104.50) T♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $50.88, Hero calls $50.88

River: ($206.26) 7♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $87.62 (all-in), Hero calls $87.62

Total pot: $381.50 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BU shows A♠ T♦ (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 8%, Flop: 5%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) shows A♣ A♦ (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 92%, Flop: 95%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) wins $378.75

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So some of you may have seen the post on mine or gazzy's ig, but basically we're going to start a joint poker room on the app, PPPoker. We haven't finalised what we'll be offering in terms of rake or rakeback structures, but we're in the brainstorming faze and would appreciate some feedback from you guys so as to make it as user friendly as possible. Of course, there won't be an issue for us to get regs to play in our room, rather recreationals, so hints on that specifically would be helpful.

In terms of promoting our club, we're going to use our blogs/ig, but also do the last longer charity prop we were gunna do a while ago. That'll be an opportunity to get some extra exposure and have some fun with it

The club launches on Friday 29th March. We would be grateful if you could join the club, the ID is 951238.

More grind tomorrow.

gl!

Rake doesn’t affect preflop decisions as much as ppl think it does, obv amplified IP and when you are better than your opponent postflop

Call>4bet>fold

I remember when I first started playing poker, I asked my roommate if K9 is a good hand. and he says, "are you ****ing serious? that's a horrible hand you fish." so I stopped playing it

eventually found out he was the fish

K9 was considered bad because it was dominated by AK with TP and it made the second nut straight and everyone always played AK back in the day.

Since everyone was a nit, the % of AK in everyone's range was too high, also with 0 3-betting going on + passive people postflop those coolers happened way more.

How do you, Rapidesh123, know so much about poker? I see all these complicated answers from you and they are convincing and many concepts sound but I always wonder why you are playing 50nl? I’m not having a dig, I am just honestly curious because you don’t sound like a twit, far from it actually.

Ps good session bena


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well this was in 2017, not 2007 haha

You can judge when a reg needs pio by when i bust or retire

You mean to tell me the game has EVOLVED?

Mind-bending insight here Desh, thx as always for explaining for the rest of us. No wonder you flew up the stakes as fast as you have

Says the guy who thought bbsick was turning top2 into a bluff otr by 3x potting when in fact he was valuebetting haha.

Was just saying how people thought back then because it's funny

Because I study poker, that's all. What most of you know intuitively can't be learned easily even with pio. And it's hard to get out of 50z/100z if you can't think well exploitatively, rake is very very high and if one plays a more reasonable strat he will take a lot of time to get out of that place. Add tilt/mental leaks on top of that and that's it.

I probably would have been more succesful if I played as a 18/16 with 5% 3-bet with lots of underbluffs.

Also I was at 200z not so long ago and I'm back to playing 100z

he still makes a good bit of mistakes in many of his analysis but he got pio recently so it's been getting a fair bit better, just need to get out of the black or white type thought processes

It’s a credit to him for trying
I don’t know whether he is good or bad, hell im still a fish playing 500z I just notice him spreading wisdom on multiple pgc.

Gl to all


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Yeah, this and also that if you're wrong in poker you are punished way more than what you make when you're right.

Best pg&c thread imo. Gl Bena!
K9s f3bet co vs bb is good only if bb is a huge nit or trying hard to reach 70+ f3bet.
68o biggest spew i've seen lately.

Fist yourself xxx

+1

ahaha

still many many timeouts?

yo man, thanks a lot! 68 was hella spew but i rate the <3 obv

<3

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Booked another win today with some swings. Could get used to this actual winning thing!



tiiilt river vs tighter dude

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $800.09 (400 bb)
MP: $200.00 (100 bb)
CO: $206.00 (103 bb)
BU (Hero): $209.00 (105 bb)
SB: $272.11 (136 bb)
BB: $360.55 (180 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with 8♣ J♣
3 players fold, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to $20, Hero calls $15.90

Flop: ($41) 4♦ 8♦ 3♥ (2 players)
BB bets $9.74, Hero calls $9.74

Turn: ($60.48) J♠ (2 players)
BB bets $46.18, Hero calls $46.18

River: ($152.84) 4♠ (2 players)
BB bets $187.61, Hero calls $133.08 (all-in)

Total pot: $419 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB shows Q♥ Q♠ (two pair, Queens and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 18%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) shows 8♣ J♣ (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 82%, River: 0%)

BB wins $416.25

Rec with the god's line

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $574.82 (287 bb)
MP: $373.25 (187 bb)
CO: $208.00 (104 bb)
BU: $413.22 (207 bb)
SB: $331.65 (166 bb)
BB (Hero): $205.59 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with 3♣ 6♣
4 players fold, SB raises to $5, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($10) A♠ 6♠ 3♦ (2 players)
SB bets $5.23, Hero raises to $20.20, SB raises to $47.65, Hero calls $27.45

Turn: ($105.30) 6♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $32.82, SB raises to $65.64, Hero calls $32.82

River: ($236.58) Q♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $87.30 (all-in), SB calls $87.30

Total pot: $411.18 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 3♣ 6♣ (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

SB shows A♦ 3♠ (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 68%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins $408.43

lmfao vs rec

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $548.33 (274 bb)
MP: $320.52 (160 bb)
CO: $249.59 (125 bb)
BU (Hero): $596.57 (298 bb)
SB: $207.00 (104 bb)
BB: $352.80 (176 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with T♦ 9♦
1 fold, MP raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $20, 2 players fold, MP calls $15

Flop: ($43) T♠ Q♣ T♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $13.48, MP raises to $42, Hero calls $28.52

Turn: ($127) 8♥ (2 players)
MP bets $43.49, Hero calls $43.49

River: ($213.98) 3♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $66.59, MP calls $66.59

Total pot: $347.16 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows T♦ 9♦ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 64%, Flop: 97%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

MP mucks 8♠ 6♠ (two pair, Tens and Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 3%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) wins $344.41

Getting back to my coffee bet ways

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $214.83 (107 bb)
MP: $249.54 (125 bb)
CO: $418.17 (209 bb)
BU: $201.00 (101 bb)
SB: $213.41 (107 bb)
BB (Hero): $293.01 (147 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BB with T♠ A♠
2 players fold, CO raises to $4.80, 2 players fold, Hero 3-bets to $22, CO calls $17.20

Flop: ($45) Q♦ A♣ K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $28.64, Hero calls $28.64

Turn: ($102.28) 7♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($102.28) 7♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $45.20, Hero calls $43.20

Total pot: $192.68 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
CO shows T♥ 9♥ (a pair of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) shows T♠ A♠ (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) wins $189.93

Meeting a uni mate to do some written work before putting in the evening grind

glgl

Looool, what a champ. Time for a tesco's run I guess...