Is 3b'ing with 66 btn vs utg then flatting a 4b ~100BB effective a standard play?
Some of these hands make you go hmmm. It seems the mentality of the 67s vs 87s hand is everywhere, even at my meager stake. They has a pair and think you're fos and just go with it. Makes me think just playing straight forward vs such players is the most +EV strategy against them.
Both villains are playing their hand as an equity denial/protection line. There are times when you flop 2nd pair but x/r'ing is higher ev then x/calling, mostly bc of equity realization.
I can't speak to bena's flatting range mp vs. btn but I'd imagine his AQs are a >0% 4bet, removing some of those 3 combos post. Likewise, alot of his Qx post flop, especially the heart combos, want to play as check calls.
So you see when bena takes a x/r line, btn has like the nut best blocker/value combo (I guess A7hh would be nut best bc he also blocks an AQs combo and bc bdnfd, not sure).
I think btn would prefer 87dd over a hand like QJdd tho. Bena is repping 55/77/combo draws and perhaps a few Qx and a few hands like what he actually had (2nd pair+ bd draw). So by blocking 77 he narrows bena to essentially exactly 55 as value and perhaps a few Qx.
Now btn's flop 3bet is interesting, at first I raised an eyebrow but again I think its pretty good, especially with diamonds/clubs. I think if he had 87hh he'd want to flat a bit more (more good turns) and play as a pure bluff catch, not sure. With his exact hand though he chose to 3b, mostly for the same reasons bena check raised, as a value/protection type thing.
In a really dumb downed way of saying what both players are doing:
"Hmmm, I think my hand might be good? But calling down sucks and every turn and river sucks. Yolo"
I believe these types of lines originate from pio, although Tom Dwan and David Benefield (as well as many others) did this x/r 2nd pair yolo like it was their job (over 10 years ago )
(side thought, does pio x/r high kicker or low kicker combos for value/protection? Like would it want to x/r QJ or AQ here more?)
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Originally Posted by mirage01
xr second pair, and call jam? 500z 'toughest cash games online'? lolz
haha, i guess it might look kinda stupid, and it probably isn't as standard as people are making it out to be. These kinda hands don't happen all the time.
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I think you should move up to z500 mirage, maybe you and your 2 buy ins bankroll will manage to crush it and be the next z500 end boss
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Originally Posted by MrSpew
lolz why would he when lolz people raising 2nd pair lolz dont want to vs idiots and get sucked out in rig game lolz rathers play nl25 lolz
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Originally Posted by mirage01
I guess its possible to excuse any awful play these days if you try hard enough. 'leveling' 'blockers' lolz. That's 2nl level play, and we all would be putting a whale tag on any villian who did that. 500z is whale city.
What limits do you play now? I'm curious cus i actually remember having a similar response when watching high stakes poker back in the day, and thiking, well if you just sit there and fold then durr will blast off 1.5million with 6 high look how well that strat worked out for the likes on lindgren and brunson
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
That hand seems standard and well played by both players imo
I think my play is low freq, and prob ok. I think villains play is really not the best but i could be convinced otherwise.
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Is 3b'ing with 66 btn vs utg then flatting a 4b ~100BB effective a standard play?
Some of these hands make you go hmmm. It seems the mentality of the 67s vs 87s hand is everywhere, even at my meager stake. They has a pair and think you're fos and just go with it. Makes me think just playing straight forward vs such players is the most +EV strategy against them.
GL, sir!
I'm not sure which hand you're referring to with the 66 flatting 4b? I don't think it's 'standard' but probably not non-standard either.
Yeah, these kinda plays get filtered down from high stakes, and given everyone is becoming more and more familiar with how solvers play, there is a load of these weird/awfully played hands.
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Don`t know why everyone has to complicate stuff like this, he obviously put him on 76 and acted accordingly
Hope to see you at a livestop Bena, but looking like I might be too busto GL on the grizzle, get `em back!
lmao, so much this
I'll be there lad, keep in touch as the various stops come around!
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it is the age of playing bottom pair like top set
hahaha. tony G was so ahead of his time.
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the age of stop being a ****in nit
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both players found the 0% freq line, ****ed by the rng once again
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $10.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $10.25, SB raises to $46, BB folds, Hero raises to $135, BTN folds, SB calls $89
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