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10-20-2016 , 01:06 PM
If he had history of posting 6 month long graphs it might be appropriate.

Not a huge deal but does seem a bit insensitive.
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10-21-2016 , 02:03 AM
Ben

Been reading your blog for a while and wanted to add my thoughts. To be successful at poker these days you really need to love it and be willing to dedicate a lot of time towards it.

For the past 6 months your love for poker seems to be getting less and less, and although you don't state it - your posts seem more and more veered to you being financially motivated to carry on playing this game rather than for your love of the game.

you have a lot going on in your life outside of poker which you are (correctly) prioritising ahead of it. My suggestion would be, take a few months off, do a lot of lab work and decide if this is something you can take very seriously and still love, even if it is only a hobby. If not best to find a new hobby.

I hope this helps

Rob
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10-21-2016 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
a bit... tasteless?
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
does seem a bit insensitive.
+1

do your thing, keep us updated as you wish
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10-22-2016 , 03:46 AM
Tough run you're on, don't blame you for wanting to quit. Hope it picks up Soon.

I admire you for continuing the thread. Good luck
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10-23-2016 , 09:51 AM
I can understand those feelings you have I mean just by reading the last few pages of this thread makes me wanna quit poker.
Having said that, if there is anyone who can bounce back from this awful run it's you so just hang on and prove to yourself what mastering mental game is all about.
GL
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10-23-2016 , 03:29 PM
dw ill always run worse
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10-23-2016 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb


As4 is a clear bluff. large sizing is good, overbet very reasonable option.

AQ obv not allowed to fold but maybe correct to fold.

J9 obv not allowed to fold but maybe correct to fold.

J9 obv all in but maybe not correct to all in.
Thank you my friend. We go again

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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
Spot on. The last J9, never bluff against a spazz but over bluff against standard regs.
Sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately i don't have enough reads to know!

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Originally Posted by doctor877


The neverfoldstrat might not be GTO at 200z.
this

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Originally Posted by dont3betme
i am in the same boat, dont give up. FIGHT!
lets dooooo it! gl

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Originally Posted by papillon_
run better!
I hate how i have no control of this!

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Originally Posted by Tweelingen
j9 seems a pretty easy raise otf
meh, i don't wanna raise all my Jx always and i don't defend many worse Jx pre therefore x/c this one seems good to me.

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Originally Posted by max85
i think all hands are played fine
it really seems like you are having terrible variance constantly, like always the second best hand, judging by the hands you are posting.

And, I dont blame you for not wanting to play.

Do you generate an income from avenues other than poker? Or still studying?
Thanks max. Nope, i don't have any other income. Poker has been my income for the past 7 years. Doing this masters for the next three years is going to be expensive too. I have plenty of money but it would be nice to have some to help set up a private practice once i graduate!

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater
can we get a graph of this losing streak?
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Originally Posted by Priidix
can we get a graph of z200 w/ redline?
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Originally Posted by Fishtankz
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
I could be toooootally wrong here, and apologies if I am, but isn't asking for a graph of a 6 month losing streak a bit... tasteless?
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
yes, yes it is. (imo)
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
If he had history of posting 6 month long graphs it might be appropriate.

Not a huge deal but does seem a bit insensitive.
Thanks for the comments. I'm happy to post a graph tbh. Here's the graph from peak or last 85k hands. The other ~300k hands is breakeven from this point.



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Originally Posted by Robert12345
Ben

Been reading your blog for a while and wanted to add my thoughts. To be successful at poker these days you really need to love it and be willing to dedicate a lot of time towards it.

For the past 6 months your love for poker seems to be getting less and less, and although you don't state it - your posts seem more and more veered to you being financially motivated to carry on playing this game rather than for your love of the game.

you have a lot going on in your life outside of poker which you are (correctly) prioritising ahead of it. My suggestion would be, take a few months off, do a lot of lab work and decide if this is something you can take very seriously and still love, even if it is only a hobby. If not best to find a new hobby.

I hope this helps

Rob
Hey rob. Thanks a lot for taking the time to post this. I'm not sure i agree that you need to love the game to win at it. I haven't 'loved' poker for quite a few years now. It's my job and it offers me a lot of freedom so i love what it provides, but not the game itself. I don't really have the time to go into the lab for three months although that would be a great way to vastly improve. Tbh if my love for poker is slipping away, im not sure how three months staring at sims will relight that fire

I've got plenty going on in my life and different hobbies but the reality is that poker is the only thing thats going to make me any real money until i can start practising as a therapist.

I'm kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. I would rather not play poker if i'm losing but as soon as i start winning again (which is surely soon if i keep playing 200z and doing off table work) it'll have it's purpose to me again.

Cheers again!

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Originally Posted by Johnnie
+1

do your thing, keep us updated as you wish
will do!

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Originally Posted by ValuetownJL
Tough run you're on, don't blame you for wanting to quit. Hope it picks up Soon.

I admire you for continuing the thread. Good luck
Cheers boss, we trying

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Originally Posted by SpewNL
I can understand those feelings you have I mean just by reading the last few pages of this thread makes me wanna quit poker.
Having said that, if there is anyone who can bounce back from this awful run it's you so just hang on and prove to yourself what mastering mental game is all about.
GL
The bolded bit of this post has given me insane motivation mate! If we wanna offer mental game help to people at some point we gotta overcome the worst of it ourselves. You're spot on

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Originally Posted by Slugant
dw ill always run worse
haha, prove it, cus i don't believe!

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Played a small session today but hadn't played since Thursday when i had my hissy fit. The point i realised that i needed to take a few days off was when i was at the gym and my mates said i looked lost and out of character. This is really out of the ordinary for me; to act noticeably different after playing poker, winning or losing. Definitely the right time to slow things down, take more time off and play when i'm feeling fresh, not because i think i have to play.

I spent the weekend with all the boys and our friend from amsterdam, dccnesquick. We all went out friday and saturday and just spent a lot of time together in bars/getting food/playing thrice etc. Feeling in real good spirits and recouped a lot.

Had a couple hands from today:

vs std reg.

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470517

    BTN: $106.72 (53.4 bb)
    SB: $270.43 (135.2 bb)
    BB: $203 (101.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $362.65 (181.3 bb)
    MP: $137.44 (68.7 bb)
    CO: $255.79 (127.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
    Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $15

    Flop: ($41) 9 6 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $12.07, Hero calls $12.07

    Turn: ($65.14) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $39.67, BB calls $39.67

    River: ($144.48) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $212.59, BB calls $131.26 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $407 pot ($2.75 rake)
    Final Board: 9 6 2 K 6
    BB showed 6 8 and won $404.25 ($201.25 net)
    Hero showed K A and lost (-$203.00 net)



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    Sick line by rotten reg lmao

      Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470518

      BTN: $250.24 (125.1 bb)
      Hero (SB): $355.98 (178 bb)
      BB: $621.26 (310.6 bb)
      UTG: $299.53 (149.8 bb)
      MP: $202.50 (101.3 bb)
      CO: $731.82 (365.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
      UTG raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $18, BB folds, UTG raises to $299.53 and is all-in, Hero calls $281.53

      Flop: ($601.06) 9 5 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: ($601.06) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($601.06) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $601.06 pot ($2.75 rake)
      Final Board: 9 5 3 T K
      Hero showed A A and won $299.15 (-$0.38 net)
      UTG showed K K and won $299.16 (-$0.37 net)



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      vs reg:

        Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470519

        Hero (BTN): $205 (102.5 bb)
        SB: $869.78 (434.9 bb)
        BB: $497.88 (248.9 bb)
        UTG: $200 (100 bb)
        MP: $215.10 (107.6 bb)
        CO: $119.38 (59.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 8
        UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

        Flop: ($15) T 9 8 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $10.68, UTG calls $10.68

        Turn: ($36.36) T (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $24.18, UTG calls $24.18

        River: ($84.72) 3 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $164.14 and is all-in, UTG calls $159.14 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $403 pot ($2.75 rake)
        Final Board: T 9 8 T 3
        Hero showed 8 8 and won $400.25 ($200.25 net)
        UTG showed Q 9 and lost (-$200 net)



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        Wanted to fold or shove so badly otr here, even though shoving would be terrible. Sizing screams of set:

          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470520

          BTN: $615.79 (307.9 bb)
          SB: $190.72 (95.4 bb)
          BB: $70.54 (35.3 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $563.10 (281.6 bb)
          MP: $268.11 (134.1 bb)
          CO: $629.30 (314.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with A Q
          Hero raises to $5, MP folds, CO calls $5, 3 folds

          Flop: ($13) 6 Q 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero calls $7

          Turn: ($27) T (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

          River: ($63) 5 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $38.25, Hero calls $38.25

          Spoiler:
          Results: $139.50 pot ($2.75 rake)
          Final Board: 6 Q 8 T 5
          Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$68.25 net)
          CO showed T T and won $136.75 ($68.50 net)



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          Will probably play a bit tomorrow. Thanks a lot for all the support as always. Hugely helpful to me

          glgl
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          10-24-2016 , 07:30 AM
          bleh, that graph... didn't realise it was so bad.
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          10-24-2016 , 09:05 AM
          That's a rough fkn downswing, but a lot of it is NL400, right?

          But the reality is that if you are not crushing the stakes and are more of smaller winner (no idea actually what is considered crushing and what is considered smaller winner), if you play for many years, you will eventually get a downswing like this. Especially if your game starts to detoriorate after a smaller downswing that lowers your winrate, which is exactly what happened to me earlier this year when all quite literally came crashing down.


          On another subject, I'm a big adversary of zoom and think you at your current situation should definitely stay away from it. Winrates are smaller which results in higher variance and at the moment you would absolutely want to avoid that. Instead I think you should focus more on bumhunting hard on eurosites, higher winrates -> less variance -> happy ben.

          If you want, I can pm you few good sites.
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          10-24-2016 , 09:13 AM
          that's ****ing brutal man. i hope things turn around for you. and in no way did i say to post a graph with any disrespect. im going through something similar myself atm.
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          10-24-2016 , 09:19 AM
          how much is the downswing in bb? 1-2 is insanely soft this year compare to previous year from what I see, should turn around soon.
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          10-24-2016 , 09:32 AM
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          Originally Posted by doctor877
          On another subject, I'm a big adversary of zoom and think you at your current situation should definitely stay away from it. Winrates are smaller which results in higher variance and at the moment you would absolutely want to avoid that. Instead I think you should focus more on bumhunting hard on eurosites, higher winrates -> less variance -> happy ben.

          If you want, I can pm you few good sites.
          This. Not sure why are you playing a tougher field if your goal is just to make money. Your thoughts and actions seem contradictory.

          Good luck.
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          10-24-2016 , 10:18 AM
          200z confirmed v tough game
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          10-24-2016 , 10:43 AM
          hahaha yeah I mean z200 is prob softer than midstakes reg tables guys, z500 isn't but z200 certainly is
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          10-24-2016 , 11:05 AM
          Just because regs are bad, doesn't mean winrates will be high.
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          10-24-2016 , 11:06 AM
          seeing that graph i have to say i was incorrect
          sry mate, lets turn things around!!
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          10-24-2016 , 11:13 AM
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          Originally Posted by doctor877
          Just because regs are bad, doesn't mean winrates will be high.
          well yeah fishes lose slower cuz they're tighter pre but the reg/fish ratio is pretty sick at 200, it's almost 2 fishes per table on avg
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          10-24-2016 , 11:35 AM
          Rooting hard for you to turn this around, Ben!
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          10-24-2016 , 01:43 PM
          I will chime in and say the decision to start playing 200zoom is likely partially because Ben felt he needed to change something up to end the rough stretch that's occurring. I feel like what doctor is saying makes a lot of sense and I would assume while 200zoom is a very good game, 200 reg tables will be an incredibly good game by comparison. From a volume/hourly perspective I can see merits to playing zoom but I think it's better to be sticking to regular tables unless you have time constraints.

          Maybe once you get some good things going again making zoom more of your regular game would be good, when your sanity is fully intact and you can deal with the higher variance game better
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          10-24-2016 , 02:30 PM
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          Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
          bleh, that graph... didn't realise it was so bad.
          yeah man

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by doctor877
          That's a rough fkn downswing, but a lot of it is NL400, right?

          But the reality is that if you are not crushing the stakes and are more of smaller winner (no idea actually what is considered crushing and what is considered smaller winner), if you play for many years, you will eventually get a downswing like this. Especially if your game starts to detoriorate after a smaller downswing that lowers your winrate, which is exactly what happened to me earlier this year when all quite literally came crashing down.

          On another subject, I'm a big adversary of zoom and think you at your current situation should definitely stay away from it. Winrates are smaller which results in higher variance and at the moment you would absolutely want to avoid that. Instead I think you should focus more on bumhunting hard on eurosites, higher winrates -> less variance -> happy ben.

          If you want, I can pm you few good sites.
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          Originally Posted by plop85
          This. Not sure why are you playing a tougher field if your goal is just to make money. Your thoughts and actions seem contradictory.

          Good luck.
          I see what you're both saying. Given the limited time i have to grind/having to put in an hour here and an hour there, i need something that i can guarantee my volume. As dg4 said i desperately needed a change of scene and zoom was a solid option. The guys who're coaching/sweating me also all play zoom so that's super helpful with tendencies etc. I'm sure i'll go back to reg tbls at some point, but for now this fits my schedule pretty well.

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          Originally Posted by Number1Hater
          that's ****ing brutal man. i hope things turn around for you. and in no way did i say to post a graph with any disrespect. im going through something similar myself atm.
          Yeah man, i know you meant no disrespect - i didn't take any! gl getting out of it

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          Originally Posted by jeanchris
          how much is the downswing in bb? 1-2 is insanely soft this year compare to previous year from what I see, should turn around soon.
          bout 55bi. thanks!

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          Originally Posted by MartimC
          200z confirmed v tough game
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          Originally Posted by Fayth
          hahaha yeah I mean z200 is prob softer than midstakes reg tables guys, z500 isn't but z200 certainly is
          haha

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          Originally Posted by Slugant
          seeing that graph i have to say i was incorrect
          sry mate, lets turn things around!!
          told ya! tyty

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          Originally Posted by LOLCh1pPorn
          Rooting hard for you to turn this around, Ben!
          cheers bosssss

          ---

          Very sad day of poker. Totally crushed my first session and got absolutely obliterated in the second. Feeling positive nonetheless.



          vs reg thing:

            Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470689

            BTN: $402.25 (201.1 bb)
            SB: $209.35 (104.7 bb)
            Hero (BB): $439.44 (219.7 bb)
            UTG: $342.37 (171.2 bb)
            MP: $200.86 (100.4 bb)
            CO: $159.79 (79.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with J 5
            2 folds, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3, Hero calls $2

            Flop: ($16) 7 K 5 (4 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $15.20, SB folds, Hero raises to $40, CO folds, BTN calls $24.80

            Turn: ($96) J (2 players)
            Hero bets $78.93, BTN calls $78.93

            River: ($253.86) 4 (2 players)
            Hero bets $154.57, BTN calls $154.57

            Spoiler:
            Results: $563 pot ($2.75 rake)
            Final Board: 7 K 5 J 4
            BTN mucked A K and lost (-$277.50 net)
            Hero showed J 5 and won $560.25 ($282.75 net)



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            Wanted to fold river so bad. Probably should tbh:

              Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37470690

              BTN: $203 (101.5 bb)
              SB: $213.73 (106.9 bb)
              BB: $649.87 (324.9 bb)
              UTG: $155.26 (77.6 bb)
              Hero (MP): $259.25 (129.6 bb)
              CO: $484.55 (242.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
              UTG folds, Hero raises to $5, CO raises to $17, 3 folds, Hero calls $12

              Flop: ($37) A T J (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $18.98, Hero calls $18.98

              Turn: ($74.96) 4 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $53.43, Hero calls $53.43

              River: ($181.82) 7 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $96.69, Hero calls $96.69

              Spoiler:
              Results: $375.20 pot ($2.75 rake)
              Final Board: A T J 4 7
              Hero mucked T T and lost (-$186.10 net)
              CO showed 8 9 and won $372.45 ($186.35 net)



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              Seeing clients tomorrow!

              gl
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              10-25-2016 , 02:03 AM
              why not c/shove w TT, plenty of bad rivers?
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              10-25-2016 , 02:06 AM
              Cant xshove this board


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              10-25-2016 , 02:07 AM
              im pretty sure you can if you click raise
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              10-25-2016 , 06:12 AM
              Jesus that graph was brutal. Feel for you sir.
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              10-26-2016 , 05:42 AM
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              Originally Posted by Fishtankz
              Cant xshove this board
              I think if you call down every time with KQs, JJ/TT, AJs, you're leaving money on the table when villain checks back AK and some missed draws on many rivers. Hero should definitely x-raise flop or turn with straights/sets/2pr at least some of the time.
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