44 is pretty close to nut 5b jamming hand as a bluff. Probably not great against an avg co 4b vrs blind but it can't be too awful. He has like 34% equity against avg 4b/gii range

As far as the original 3b goes it's really bad if he expects CO to flat often preflop which people tend to do ip vrs blinds fairly liberally (probably overdo it even)

I think the 5b jam can be alright too, he should be peeling from BB at a MUCH higher frequency though, not even sure he should be 3betting this hand, but if he does he should definitely 5b bluff with it some of the time

5b seems fine yeah. The 3b is only good if you're 4betting a lot. Most people are just going to flat the 3 really liberally there with relative positions and 44 going to play pretty poorly in those instances.

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Nice post. Run out on 76s nuts OTF is tilting :@

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whats so tilting about the runout lol

What's all this 3b/5b is fine? It's absolutely ****ing dreadful.

the 5bet is that bad?

so huh which hand would you rather use as a 5b bluff?

AQ, AJs seem good.
dynamic is very important tho, how light will bena 4b/call. With AQ you got nice equity vs TT, but equity with 44 really sucks.

Real station will always gii 44 though, it's the right play vs AK and an obvious cooler vs JJ+

The 5 bet is kinda whatever, vs majority of the populations co 4bet it's going to be a -ev shove, but then so is likely calling. But why rationalise this part of the hand when the 3bet pf is an abortion.

Well if this is his strat for low pp's then 55 for a start. You've mentioned solvers numerous times, come back and let me know what pio recommends for 33 pf here, if it's 3bet/5bet then i'll likely quit poker for good. If it's 5bet after mistakenly 3 betting, then my statement still stands that the hand is played awfully... in that case he got 50% of decisions right.

Wat stakes does pio play? New gto uber reg? ****ing stars, been gone to long as it seems...

pre isn't solved yet, so I have no idea, but if solver would be to 3bet this hand at all it would be shoving it at some frequency I would be very surprised if not

it is possible that it's never a 3bet pre though

I think people have to stop saying that X play is terrible because as long as we don't know the frequencies of said play it's impossible to say if it's bad or not

Hate to break it to you, but yes it is pseudo "somewhat" solved.

Not like it matters much as ppl had already figured out pretty much the correct preflop stuff.

Hmmm not at 400 they haven't ha

I heard that apparently you may have to limp some of ur range pre on the button, do you do that? cuz I dont see many regs doing it

anyway I hate to break it down to you but what you perceive as pseudo somewhat solved is far from solved

I mean without getting into semantics, this spot is almost completely solved obviously. Unless you think that CO opening range is going to completely differ from the standard 26-30%.
Can confirm 33 is 3bet never, and wouldn't be 5bet even if it was 3bet, judging by the fact 55 calls 4bets instead of jamming.

That said, I still think it's entirely possible to construct a very good strategy that would involve this play.

I wouldn't 3bet the 44, but it def. doesn't seem like a bad hand to do it with against good players. I'm kind of curious what a better play would realistically be? Doesn't calling have little value against good players? Folding I guess is an option, but at that point, why not add something with decent equity into your 3bet bluff range?

Lol solved

True, but with a a little research you could see what highstake players have been doing.

I have no idea why people are fixated on the 5bet, that part is really just whatever.

Anyway, I know who that reg is trust me there's nothing deep going on in his thought process here so really not worth pretending like this is part of some sick balanced strategy of his.

high stakes players don't have much more of a clue what they are doing pre flop, there is no real way of knowing yet, just because they beat their competition doesn't mean they solved pre flop, if everybody plays worse than them they can play an exploitative playstyle pre flop and still crush

Well, optimal exploitative play will always do better than GTO unless everyone at the table is playing GTO, in which case the optimal exploitative strategy will play the same as GTO.

Yeah i played that !7 real bad



[QUOTE=max85;49108815] You need to make sure you have someone with you when reviewing your hands because you're right, you can just skim over you mistakes without realising. Searching good regs in your database is a good way of finding new ways of playing spots. Filter for 'known holecards' and look through some situations that you're finding tricky.

Gotta quote all three of these because gaz has hit the nail on the head. The 5b is obviously not bad, but putting yourself in a situation where you are 5 betting is just a total disaster. As he also said, the reg who did it is totally rubbish so i can't give them any credit really.

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I wanna write more but it's late and i just grinded a mammoth session. My biggest rostucko ever. Absolutely mental day of grinding. Another 1k below ev for the month too. So this was my first proper day at midstakes and mixing in multiple sites. My brain is well and truly fried



urgh vs reg:



ugh vs reg and fish:



vs good reg. Only #strat hand to post:



bzzt vs fish:



Things to do tomorrow so will grind evening tomorrow. I think it's gunna take some real getting used to these ups and downs. I'm absolutely thrilled that i held things together today, it coulda been a totally awful result. Can't say i didn't enjoy it though

gl

nice heart Ben

the multi site tihng is f hard! wp nice comeback

nice restucko day Ben.

for the QT, curious on the play there,yes we block boats, but we almost never(if not never)has QQ/TT there, or it's just random play to fold on out his AJ type