**** papagun and hakka - wp

shiffty, duedrama, benabadbeat, clanty

LlinusLlove otb_Redbaron mmasherdog

lmao wp

lmao wp

Some good guesses, some truly horrendous ones. Bena has the friend tag fwiw.

Right, some kind of update.



My own 200z graph for the year.

EV w/r has been a lot lower this year, and I genuinely do think the average reg has improved quite a lot in a lot of the spots I used to find a big edge. Combined with a truly abysmal stretch at 400nl, my year on Stars is not looking great.

Fortunately, #untracked #unspeakable sites have saved the day somewhat. However, I gave up a lot to get back into poker and have been working hard this year, so really hope my results vs the none braindead idiots can pick up. Actually was feeling a bit down checking through my Stars results for the year until I realised that if I'd ran 10k above EV instead of below I'd still think I was a god and everyone else was terrible - can only be a good thing to get a reality check.

I've also realised my w/r 200bb+ is -26bb/100 this year over 10k hands. Going to resume the ratholing at zoom - it is possibly variance but I have spent basically no time in the 200 deep lab and I think a lot of the 4 tabling regs biggest leaks likely suit deeper play.

Finally, I've devoted a lot of time to getting bitbCash where I wanted it to be, which I am hyped for. On the flip side, I do think I gotta be more realistic about playing 3k hands a day and spending 5 hours on the stable too.

Lifewise, I've ran hotter. Settled into a nice place in Edinburgh, and completed 3 ski trips with no injuries. Our last trip was with a guy who edits videos for a living, and he put together a predicatbly sick one of the trip here.

Hopefully will be back reporting a turn around for the month soon

If nothing else it’s a pretty interesting view on the variance of opinions on different regs in the pool, given that in 30-40 names, no one has guessed anyone other than shifty.

My tag tier list goes; punter, rec, questionable reg, reg, good reg - and two of the names on your initial 5 have the questionable reg tag for me haha. I’d assume down to a sample size issue where I’ve seen them make 1 or 2 perceived large mistakes.

Also worth noting that you seem to play mostly evenings? Whereas I stick more to the 9-5 hours.

Yeah definitely different hours. Honestly most of the opinions seem to be based on who twitches, and who posts mostly meaningless graphs.

There has been a few regs mentioned who I actually think are amongst the worst (outside of Rapis obvious troll post). But as above, I haven't been crushing 200 this year personally and definitely label people fairly randomly based on single hands too often

I’ve got lots of mates in Edinburgh by the way, as I used to live there. Have a pretty good handle on nice food/bars also. Next time I’m over that way it’d be good to grab a beer, assuming you plan on sticking around for a while?

You can never get a list like this right anyway, so its all for fun. Im just wondering how is saulo on it and zinhao isnt, when the guys play like ****ing twins Sowiet should definitely make it btw!

can i get the punter tag instead of questionable reg?

100% mate, sounds good, should be here for a bit.

I genuinely have seen zinhao make some tremendous punts so that might be why. Have played more with saulo too and actually changed my own game a bit after looking with his - but may well just be wrong since I know there is a saulo, zinhao SetaBeni cartel Doesn't really make sense that z can be labelled bad and the other two good.

Since we have the whole crew here - MBR top reg ?

Haha, sorry mate. Afraid you’re just boring old ‘reg’ for now!

I'd like to gatecrash this party

Maybe we can turn G into a Celtic fan

Both study together and are nick howard fanboys.

Btw, sowiet wings' game was really good to watch, learned a lot by watching his HH. And he posted a 7bb/100 graph for 1.1m hands, so wouldn't be surprised if he were the biggest winner of 200z.

It's hard to rank people as good or bad because some guys are quite annoying vs regs but won't make the max off fish. Also some guys put massive volume and make way more money in there, so it's easier to play 50k hands/month without making many atrocious plays, while some people make way more bad plays but manage to put 100k hands+ per month.

Imo the only metric people should use to rank 200z regs is $ made, if you wanted to judge someone by being better at gto/pio, then it makes more sense to look at those who play 500z.

yeah I can believe Sowiets graph but posting fake zoom graphs is an extremely common practice so in general I'd take them with a pinch of salt.

Incentive is high, sell coaching, make people think you are a boss, and I know for a fact of at least 3 cases.

Agree on metric being $$ made, actually made a video for bitB about this exact topic

For sure man, will give you a shout if/when it comes to pass.

Here’s hoping!

Anyone else living around Edinburgh too definitely give me a shout.

Couple of hands from last two days:

1) vs uber whale. About when I decided to stop playing deep.

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $465.97 (233 bb)
MP: $180.38 (90 bb)
CO: $406.02 (203 bb)
BU: $210.62 (105 bb)
SB: $159.78 (80 bb)
BB: $199.60 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is UTG with K♦ A♥
Hero raises to $5, MP 3-bets to $18.01, CO calls $18.01, 3 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $55, 1 fold, CO calls $36.99

Flop: ($131.01) 3♥ K♣ J♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $64, Hero calls $64

Turn: ($259.01) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $254, Hero raises to $346.97 (all-in), CO calls $33.02 (all-in)

River: ($833.05) 8♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $833.05 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows K♦ A♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 73%, Flop: 61%, Turn: 16%, River: 0%)

CO shows K♥ 4♥ (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 27%, Flop: 39%, Turn: 84%, River: 100%)

CO wins $830.30

2) Vs nit fish thing, probably a fold but I'm not folding KK, man has to have some respect.


PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $1,168.93 (584 bb)
MP: $421.63 (211 bb)
CO: $385.01 (193 bb)
BU: $200.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $327.31 (164 bb)
BB: $227.04 (114 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is SB with K♦ K♥
1 fold, MP raises to $6, CO 3-bets to $18, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to $53, 1 fold, MP 5-bets to $421.63 (all-in), 1 fold, Hero calls $274.31 (all-in)

First Flop: ($674.62) J♥ Q♣ 9♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

First Turn: ($674.62) A♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

First River: ($674.62) K♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Flop: ($674.62) 7♦ J♣ 6♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Turn: ($674.62) 2♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($674.62) T♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $674.62 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: J♥ Q♣ 9♥ A♥ K♠

MP shows A♣ A♦ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 75%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) shows K♦ K♥ (three of a kind, Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 25%, River: 0%)

MP wins $335.93

Second Showdown: Board: 7♦ J♣ 6♣ 2♠ T♥

MP shows A♣ A♦ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) shows K♦ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

MP wins $335.94


3) vs whale but no reads other than vpip pfr, honestly probably a fold too but just decided to try to hit a diamond.

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $102.53 (51 bb)
MP: $210.95 (105 bb)
CO: $329.92 (165 bb)
BU (Hero): $367.54 (184 bb)
SB: $540.67 (270 bb)
BB: $194.00 (97 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with K♦ K♠
2 players fold, CO raises to $5.23, Hero 3-bets to $17, 2 players fold, CO 4-bets to $48.56, Hero calls $31.56

Flop: ($100.12) 3♠ 6♦ 8♦ (2 players)
CO bets $53.21, Hero calls $53.21

Turn: ($206.54) A♦ (2 players)
CO bets $228.15 (all-in), Hero calls $228.15

First River: ($662.84) J♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Second River: ($662.84) 9♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $662.84 (Rake: $2.75)

First Showdown: Board: 3♠ 6♦ 8♦ A♦ J♠

CO shows 9♣ J♣ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 20%, Flop: 6%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) shows K♦ K♠ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 80%, Flop: 94%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) wins $330.04

Second Showdown: Board: 3♠ 6♦ 8♦ A♦ 9♥

CO shows 9♣ J♣ (a pair of Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 20%, Flop: 6%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) shows K♦ K♠ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 80%, Flop: 94%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) wins $330.05


4) vs nit fish Fr thing. Not the greatest result.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $204.38 (102 bb)
MP: $200.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $382.30 (191 bb)
BU: $67.95 (34 bb)
SB: $274.73 (137 bb)
BB: $100.00 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is CO with T♠ T♣
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $18, 3 players fold, UTG calls $12

Flop: ($39) 8♠ 5♠ T♦ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12.23, UTG calls $12.23

Turn: ($63.46) 2♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $41, UTG calls $41

River: ($145.46) 7♣ (2 players)
UTG bets $117.02, Hero raises to $311.07 (all-in), UTG calls $16.13 (all-in)

Total pot: $411.76 (Rake: $2.75)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows T♠ T♣ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 76%, Turn: 82%, River: 0%)

UTG shows 9♥ J♥ (a straight, Seven to Jack)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 24%, Turn: 18%, River: 100%)

UTG wins $409.01

5) The turn never bluff against a reg who I now have to try to play well against. Left sns in so anyone who has played this junk trader can sympathise with me a) that I got called here, and b) that I am down more to this guy than anyone else this year now. Maybe I am the fish

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $1/$2 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

joaquin41 (BU): $200.00 (100 bb)
Zavorotny (SB): $246.75 (123 bb)
YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB): $203.00 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero (YOU-MAD-BR0) is BB with J♥ A♥
joaquin41 (BU) raises to $5, 1 fold, YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB) 3-bets to $25, joaquin41 (BU) calls $20

Flop: ($51) 9♥ 5♠ 4♠ (2 players)
YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB) bets $27, joaquin41 (BU) calls $27

Turn: ($105) Q♦ (2 players)
YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB) bets $34.24, joaquin41 (BU) calls $34.24

River: ($173.48) 3♣ (2 players)
YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB) bets $116.76 (all-in), joaquin41 (BU) calls $113.76 (all-in)

Total pot: $401 (Rake: $1.25)

Showdown:
YOU-MAD-BR0 (BB) shows J♥ A♥ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 68%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

joaquin41 (BU) shows 5♦ A♦ (a pair of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

joaquin41 (BU) wins $399.75


Also spent some hard time in the lab today completing this:

https://www.sporcle.com/games/peanut4/200_premier_goals


99/200. wugot.

KdKs: flop raise no? wow @ sd.

TsTc: dont like the postflop sizings at all, but i might be wrong, probably am. would run a sim but grinding atm.

AhJh: line does not make any sense to me whatsoever. some blocker shenanigans i fail to notice, or u just like the bet button? also turn betsize looks more draw than value, hence river call.

Hi mate,

KK it is probably best to raise the flop, decided to give some rope with the Kd and was punished and then instantly redeemed.

TT was just vs some fish thing so bet smaller on the flop because I had the nuts blocking everything.

AhJh, just trying to get away with the mega own vs this specific guy by bluffing a combo I knew should basically never be bluffed. Now have to play properly, you only get one showdown with these.

Hey,

I was looking at the hands and have some thoughts :

AhJh looks like a really nice and mandatory tripple barrel. I don't like his river call so much although it's not a big deal to call A5s there. If OOP tripples TT-JJ the EV of such a bluffcatcher gets pretty bad .

KdKx I would snap call, we block AK which is not always at 4bets no matter if we assume his range to be narrow there will still be shoves that we dominate hard like some QdQx and if he shoves wide range it gets even better for us. Readless I would be folding without diamond.

Good luck

AJhh looks fine, not sure about mandatory though, doubt this is a 100% frequency thing

it is if nodelocked

reasoning?

#tehTimstone said so

sorry, didnt know ur a moron.
is stating facts against TOS of PG&C?