Another hard day, KK < AA, QQ < 99 (2 boards again!), and a flopped flush under flush were some of the loss leaders. Somehow managed to lose only about a buyin. Coming up fast on the 20k mark should be next session and I’ll recap standings.
It’s been frustrating bc results and stats have plateaued the last 5k hands or so and some part of that is legitimately running poorly on top of the learning process. Have run only slightly below ev line but that doesn’t tell some aspects like cooler situations and Gii in losing spots they have spiked some thin draw card. 2 weeks into this now and can confidently say I haven’t had a ‘run good’ type of session yet. This actually makes me more optimistic bc I’m treading water while running pretty poorly, a good week or 2 could swing things in favor and I suspect I’ll see uptrend resuming in hands 20-30k.
I’ll post a few interesting hands from the session tomorrow since I’ll be off for the day. Felt like I called off too light on a few river spots today that are likely under bluffed in this pool so will spend a lot of the day reviewing those tomorrow.
gonna try mix it up today do half normal length sessions today and tomorrow. I seem to be better focused earlier in sessions so am curious how this will play out.
here are some interesting hands from yesterdays session:
hand 1:very strange hand, I decided to block bet turn w/plans to check fold lot of brick rivers. wasn't my intention to induce at all but when he raises things get strange; I block QT not that it should be in his range much here, JJ would have likely x behind flop and even AK doesnt raise this turn so he has what exactly KK? once I decide I'm not folding its maybe best to flat except I really don't think he will bet worse again on rivers and I do think he can fold some better i.e. A9, TT, maybe QQ though idk why he would be turning it into bluff on turn. I also like if he has to call off with some random clubs gutter he put raise in on turn with.
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Turn ($8.60): K 6 9 J BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.55 (Rem. Stack: $23.77), BB Raises To $7.50 (Rem. Stack: $13.25), HERO Raises To $26.32 (allin), BB Folds
Spoiler:
HERO wins: $22.42
hand 2:sort of weird one, decide this sort of spazzy rec will snap this off with tons of worse hands and draws
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hand 3:kinda value owned myself here, probably should have bet smaller ott but since I went bigger was fine w/x behind saved some on river.
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h1: Think your play is fine at a frequency, however you analysis is off, you're ip in this hand and villain can take this line with all value hands, perfectly reasonable for them to show up with KQ+, JJ, KK etc. there.
h1: Think your play is fine at a frequency, however you analysis is off, you're ip in this hand and villain can take this line with all value hands, perfectly reasonable for them to show up with KQ+, JJ, KK etc. there.
Your right I recalled hand wrong. I guess I meant in hand I felt he just xcalls AK here ott and he likely would not have cbet flop JJ. Felt like not a lot of value hands are taking this line and maybe he’s turning something into bluff that has draw equity but little absolute value due to my range being likely capped (knows I shouldn’t show up with AK, KK here ever). More specifically maybe a pp that draws to and blocks Broadway...TT...QQ? Possibly one pair draw combos like JT.
Your right I recalled hand wrong. I guess I meant in hand I felt he just xcalls AK here ott and he likely would not have cbet flop JJ. Felt like not a lot of value hands are taking this line and maybe he’s turning something into bluff that has draw equity but little absolute value due to my range being likely capped (knows I shouldn’t show up with AK, KK here ever). More specifically maybe a pp that draws to and blocks Broadway...TT...QQ? Possibly one pair draw combos like JT.
This would shock me to lead JJ anywhere near 100% on this board when double blocking gutter combos I can float with but I honestly have no clue so you may be entirely right.
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Last edited by wheydacheese; 08-04-2021 at 08:25 AM.
Second 10k hands at nl 25 in the books! Wrapped it up with a winning session in the half length session yesterday +3bi or so despite a nasty 3bi beat in at 85%otf and a 1bi straight punt which has been extremely rare for me on here.
Ofc anything less than crushing carries some small disappointment, however I went into this challenge expecting a slow incremental progress, hence the 6mo timeline. I am optimistic to see a trend reversal from 10k to 20k even though things largely flattened out last 4k hands or so; I think it is very possible that 20-30k hands will be at a break even to slight winning rate which would be more than acceptable to me.
Here are some thoughts on the challenge at this 20k point
1) This is much much more work than anticipated as for things I needed to learn and review. My game had truly slipped into a fairly mindless automated style that specifically worked well against llsnl pool.
2) I am starting to plug bigger leaks and notice player tendencies that make me feel I am on the cusp of turning +positive trend on challenge.
3) What is the opportunity cost of challenge? This is so hard to answer; from a blunt numbers approach it's something around -$700-800/week had I been playing those hours live (which I wouldn't necessarily have been doing) and then around -$25/day average lost over the duration of challenge. But what is the value of the process and the hours therein? If I reach the level I want will that open up higher $ opportunities online? Will some of this skill set transfer to more profit and a higher ceiling in live games? Def too early too overthink these things, these are just questions I'm curious about. For the time being I'm getting a lot of entertainment value from the process and have taken a large chunk of the hours both from time I would be playing video games and time I would be doing physical activities my back situation prevents me from right now anyhow.
updated stuff:srry for sht pictures, just snapped them off screen
Beach day today then I will post few hands from yesterday then hit another half length session on here to kick off next 10k of hands
This would shock me to lead JJ anywhere near 100% on this board when double blocking gutter combos I can float with but I honestly have no clue so you may be entirely right.
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Yeah would imagine most solves would range cbet here with most bb 3bet ranges.
Yeah would imagine most solves would range cbet here with most bb 3bet ranges.
I figured it’s good board to range bet like quarter pot ip but oop thought had to be more selective and JJ could maybe xcall flop. Leading with AK KK ask? (If V)
I figured it’s good board to range bet like quarter pot ip but oop thought had to be more selective and JJ could maybe xcall flop. Leading with AK KK ask? (If V)
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You mean like co vs btn or if bb checks to you?
JJ is much better as a cbet here rather than x/c as bb. How are you currently studying the game?
JJ is much better as a cbet here rather than x/c as bb. How are you currently studying the game?
So as V (bb) JJ want to bet fold flop? I meant as bb/V are we going to lead out w/AK and KK also on this board? Right now I’m just reviewing hands for Obvs mistakes, studying charts, using the leak finder on driveHud, watching 6 max session vids and right now HUD interpretation vids(run it once)and running some things through gtowizard, I randomly got pio ages ago but am not remotely confident in my ability to correctly set up and interpret with solvers.
*also my computer is sht right now since I sold gaming computer awhile back to try to lower video game time.
For better or worse I’m still at a point in game where I am trying to nail down consistencies in concepts as blunt as bet sizing and ranges (balancing !3/!4 pre within an acceptable range and defending ranges both pre and post)
I am about to embark on the 3rd 10k hands of nl25 and am hoping to see a lot of progress in this set!
2 big things to keep in mind if I am going to make that happen:
1:absolutely no room for punt-fails like this from yesterday. not even gonna try to explain thought process too much it was just a total spewtard hand that fortunately I have only had maybe 3 of during this challenge so far:
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CO Raises To $0.55, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $2.26, BB Folds, CO Calls $1.71
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.58 effective] Flop ($4.77): 8 2 6
HERO Bets $3.08 (Rem. Stack: $23.53), CO Raises To $8.34 (Rem. Stack: $18.95), HERO Raises To $26.61 (allin), CO Calls $18.27 (Rem. Stack: $0.68)
Turn ($57.99): 8 2 6 9
River ($57.99): 8 2 6 9 Q
Players agreed to run it 2 times.
Flop #2($57.99): 8 2 6
Turn #2($57.99): 8 2 6 7
River #2($57.99): 8 2 6 7 7
Spoiler:
CO shows: 6 6
CO wins: $55.99
hand 3:under EV motherload of the day, hand got super weird bc the other 2 players loose spazzy, was pretty sure V1 pushing some combo w/equity and V2 can really have ATC based on what I have seen, leaning towards weaker bc he (V2) would just cram better in over the turn bet.
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HERO Raises To $0.70, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $1.25, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $4.27, BTN Calls $3.02
Hero SPR on Flop: [2.6 effective] Flop ($8.89): 6 T 2
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $2.22 (Rem. Stack: $95.68), HERO Raises To $8.88 (Rem. Stack: $14.23), BTN Raises To $97.90 (allin), HERO Calls $14.23 (allin)
Turn ($129.90): 6 T 2 7
River ($129.90): 6 T 2 7 6
Spoiler:
BTN shows: A A
BTN wins: $52.36
hand 5:sort of a cooler river, I think hand becomes too strong to check behind and he can call w/weaker...when he raises idk, can fold? I'm pretty uncertain on this one. I do think x behind river is bad but will listen to arguments otherwise.
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Two more spots from yesterday I am very unsure on both oop otr similar. Not gonna dig up hhs just going to post brief summaries.
I guess this one is an easy fold I think I was off game quite a bit from a frustratingly bad session . Vs loose rec
H1) KK sb vs bb $25 effective nl25
Open .75 sb call
Flop Q89 x-x
Turn Q I bet $1.50 he calls
River Q brings in 3 spades. I x...V all in. (I called ) V Q6 R.I.P.
Second one was a little more ambiguous as to what correct choice on river is.
H2) Nl 25 30$ effective QQ again bvb I open .75 from sb Bb call
Flop 856 two clubs I lead $1.15 he calls
Turn 2s I over bet $4.90 he calls.
River 8d I x and he bets pot. I called he had J8...this one felt like he can show up with a lot of busted draws but for that sizing I’m not sure if I can call unless he is just bluffing a really big %. I wonder if he ever turns 5-6 into this bluff here?
Long session today played mediocre but ran badly. Not a good combination. Def ran good deal under EV which sucks but more so it was spots that I think I just end up having to pay up in. Maybe I’m wrong and can fold some spots that are just underbluffed in this pool. Will post some of them tomorrow if anyone wanna give feedback but ran strong hands into some bottom sets and that sort of thing. Onward we go.
River ($15.60): 6 3 5 K 3
BB Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $9.05), HERO Calls $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $9.05)
Spoiler:
BB shows: 5 5
BB wins: $30.40
H3)Obvs I can just check call river (he probably jams) but have history with this player calling off light and he was playing a short stack so seemed ideal
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Weird thing happened. Was playing a table of plo8 this morning bc it’s kinda my fun entertainment game. I made something like 20 bucks on table and noticed it said in tracker I made much more something like +$60. Checked acct and it had credited me an amount reflecting the same so idk what happened.
fun session yesterday, played decent felt good. not gonna post a lot of hands BUT finally smacked one from the other side as it turned out I was crushed on this one so must post:
tbh i was pretty fistpump gii ott bc I figured I'm nearly always freerolling this guy w/the spade draw...oops
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River ($15.60): 6 3 5 K 3
BB Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $9.05), HERO Calls $8.20 (Rem. Stack: $9.05)
Spoiler:
BB shows: 5 5
BB wins: $30.40
H3)Obvs I can just check call river (he probably jams) but have history with this player calling off light and he was playing a short stack so seemed ideal
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UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.62, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.37
Hero SPR on Flop: [9.77 effective] Flop ($1.34): A T 3
HERO Checks, CO Checks
Turn ($1.34): A T 3 7
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.77 (Rem. Stack: $12.32), HERO Raises To $2.21 (Rem. Stack: $24.91), CO Calls $1.44 (Rem. Stack: $10.88)
River ($5.76): A T 3 7 9
HERO Bets $24.91 (allin), CO Calls $10.88 (allin)
Spoiler:
CO shows: A 9
CO wins: $26.15
I'd play all these v differently. Last one is just a fold pre. I think if you want to beat 50nl you'll need to rebuild your game quite drastically. Trying to be genuinely helpful btw.
I’d also make a lot of different decisions in the hands highlighted above by borntorun.
In the AK hand you should be finding a ton of checks on that board, including with OP’s. You’re doing quite terribly in general on that board in EP/MP vs BB. They just have a ton of more high equity hands than you do in that config and you can’t just range bet that spot and forget about it. As you move up you’ll get owned by betting bad boards for your range like that. This is the kind of thing that probably doesn’t happen much until 5/T live, but can start to happen as early as 50/100nl online.
I'd play all these v differently. Last one is just a fold pre. I think if you want to beat 50nl you'll need to rebuild your game quite drastically. Trying to be genuinely helpful btw.
No arguments here. I’m still in the rebuild to beat nl25. All/any input is greatly appreciated and a large reason for thread thx.