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03-16-2015 , 05:10 AM
I've been playing mostly 50nl 6max lately. Occasionally some 25PLO but for the most part I am sticking with 50NLHE. I am reviewing my hands after each session and I definitely feel that I have a huge edge in these games. I am getting bluffed occasionally, and I think I am making some lay-downs that I shouldn't. Check out the hand below. (EDIT: Unfortunately, I am getting an error every time I try and post a hand history. I wonder if it is because I downgraded HM2 recently?)

Below is my graph since I started grinding 50nl. This is definitely the worst I have ever run and believe me it's a lot worse than the EV shows.

50nl Stats:


March 6-15 50nl:


I did get bored tonight after playing all day(should have just logged off), and I tried playing insanely aggro at the 25PLO tables. I managed to run really good there last night but tonight I got crushed. Lost 5 buyins then called it a night. I definitely should have just logged off but I wanted a break from the constant nitty grind.

I plan on staying with 50nl and some MTTs until $4k. Then I'll transition to full ring 100nl and eventually 100nl 6max if everything goes smooth.

-.44
Bankroll:$2485.60

Last edited by bm303; 03-16-2015 at 05:34 AM.
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03-16-2015 , 07:16 AM
Congrats on the mtt bink! I know how hard they are to win so that must've been a pretty great feeling.

Don't get too discouraged with the cash games. 50nl is pretty soft and dropping down to 25nl with $2.5k would be overkill. One thing I would work on though would be that redline. I'd assume you're missing spots playing from the blinds, not 3b enough, and playing too fit or fold and not barelling enough.

BTW, do you use a HUD at all?

GL im subbed.
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03-16-2015 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mkultra88
Congrats on the mtt bink! I know how hard they are to win so that must've been a pretty great feeling.

Don't get too discouraged with the cash games. 50nl is pretty soft and dropping down to 25nl with $2.5k would be overkill. One thing I would work on though would be that redline. I'd assume you're missing spots playing from the blinds, not 3b enough, and playing too fit or fold and not barelling enough.

BTW, do you use a HUD at all?

GL im subbed.
Thanks bro! I use Holdem Indicator but only VP and PFR. If I have a huge sample I'll just hover over them and look at more stats.

I never really understood what the redline means. Basically you are saying that I am winning most of my money at showdown, therefore I am giving up too many pots or folding too many blinds and not defending enough? I do think I could fire more second barrels but my c-bet is usually pretty reasonable, around 65-75%. I don't fire two barrels as often as I should.

Whether this is optimal or not at these stakes, I don't know. The players are loose enough that I usually just 'wait for better spots' to get it in big since they come up so often. But I do think you are right about not barreling enough.
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03-16-2015 , 04:57 PM
Best of luck with your grind, i'll be following on the side. Grats on the bink
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03-17-2015 , 06:09 AM
I got absolutely crushed today. Mostly coolers and being unable to win one flip. I had a few really sick spots tonight and ran into absolute nutted ranges with monster hands. I'm gonna take some time off and evaluate my hand history and overall game. I'd like to be able to blame all my losses today on something such as tilt or spewing, but I am pretty confident that I was bound to lose today with the way the cards ran out. My mental game definitely was poor toward the end. I probably should have ended the session much earlier.

It is frustrating because I am playing reasonably well and believe I have an edge in these games(maybe not?), but I am not seeing results. If I just ran remotely neutral EV the last two weeks, this session would not matter at all. When you get pounded constantly with bad variance it really makes it tough to deal with these big losses and dig out of the hole in a reasonable amount of time. Hopefully this turns around soon and I can get some confidence back. I'm not sure if doubting my game is the result of this patch of variance and unjustified, or if I really have major leaks I need to work on. Maybe a combination of both.

-369
Bankroll: $2116.60
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03-17-2015 , 08:58 AM
Good luck I'm in a similar situation just a lot more aggro with brm.
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03-17-2015 , 11:47 AM
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03-24-2015 , 04:23 AM



The luckbox strikes again. Didn't rebuy, only got the addon. Ran like a god at the final 2 tables. I don't think there is any better feeling than being deep in a MTT and winning every hand.

I've been grinding 50nl mostly with about 2 MTTs per night, mostly for fun. The roll has been up and down and mostly hovering around $2300. I'll give some more detailed updates in the next few days, off to bed for now. Thanks for following guys!

Monthly 50NL graph:




+$832.90
Bankroll: $2949.50

Last edited by bm303; 03-24-2015 at 04:35 AM.
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03-24-2015 , 01:29 PM
Show me how to mtt. Good job.

Do you have any way to post HHs from your cash sessions?
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03-24-2015 , 03:39 PM
I play on Bovada as well 25NL. Definitely will be following, BOL!
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03-24-2015 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mkultra88
Show me how to mtt. Good job.

Do you have any way to post HHs from your cash sessions?
Thanks bro!

I do have lots of HH's, would you like me to start adding them to the thread? I usually post them in the hand review forums but I will gladly start posting some interesting spots here. My thread history will show a few that I've posted in the relevant micro stakes forums.
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03-24-2015 , 05:27 PM
Hey op I live In Naples , you close to there?

Base off your graph and stats your seriously a super nit. With a 3 percent. 3 bet your range is Qq+ ak and prob flatting qqs in some spots .your redline is dropping at such a huge rate due to your not protecting bb and sb. You prob have such a high fold to steal percent. Raising your Redline doesn't always mean becoming more agg. You raise your non showdown by picking spots where your put in money and give up . Try to find spots to protect your equity by probing more turns and floating more flops. Some some random 2c gl op
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03-24-2015 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bm303
Thanks bro!

I do have lots of HH's, would you like me to start adding them to the thread? I usually post them in the hand review forums but I will gladly start posting some interesting spots here. My thread history will show a few that I've posted in the relevant micro stakes forums.
Hells to the yea!

I'm with G2easy on the graph. Your graph would look good if you were a masstabling rb whore. But since it's only 4 max on the Bro that means there's a ton of spots that you're missing to boost your winrate. Maybe I can help if you're up for that kinda thing.
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03-24-2015 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by game2eazy
Hey op I live In Naples , you close to there?

Base off your graph and stats your seriously a super nit. With a 3 percent. 3 bet your range is Qq+ ak and prob flatting qqs in some spots .your redline is dropping at such a huge rate due to your not protecting bb and sb. You prob have such a high fold to steal percent. Raising your Redline doesn't always mean becoming more agg. You raise your non showdown by picking spots where your put in money and give up . Try to find spots to protect your equity by probing more turns and floating more flops. Some some random 2c gl op
I'm right near Pompano Beach. I completely agree with your assessment of my redline. I think it is in part due to the fact that really good spots are so prevalent in these games that I just give up in a lot of spots where I shouldn't, knowing in a few minutes I'm going to be put into a spot that is significantly more profitable and straight forward.
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Hells to the yea!

I'm with G2easy on the graph. Your graph would look good if you were a masstabling rb whore. But since it's only 4 max on the Bro that means there's a ton of spots that you're missing to boost your winrate. Maybe I can help if you're up for that kinda thing.
Thanks for the tips guys. You are not the only two to mention this. I will start posting interesting hands regularly.

I appreciate the offer. I welcome any and all critiques in this thread. I know I have leaks. I basically am completely self-taught with the occasional training video, so I don't really know what other regs are doing due to my lack of experience. I've managed to be a nit and make steady profit and now I am looking to definitely plug my leaks and improve that redline.
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03-24-2015 , 11:52 PM
For now I plan to show results- with mucked hole cards, in this thread. If you guys would prefer I hide results and/or mucked cards let me know.

Here's a really interesting hand from the other night at 50NL Zone. I have since decided to avoid the Zone games in the future and stick with regular tables.

    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $70.56 (141.1 bb)
    Hero (SB): $67.22 (134.4 bb)
    BB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $21.25 (42.5 bb)
    MP: $139.01 (278 bb)
    CO: $51.60 (103.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 T
    3 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, BB folds, BTN calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50) 7 6 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.25, BTN calls $4.25

    Turn: ($15) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $8.77, BTN calls $8.77

    River: ($32.54) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $22.27, BTN raises to $54.54 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.93 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $134.94 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 7 6 6 3 J
    BTN showed 7 6 and won $131.94 ($64.72 net)
    Hero mucked 9 T and lost (-$67.22 net)
    BB mucked 2 J and lost (-$0.50 net)
    UTG mucked 8 6 and lostMP mucked 5 Q and lostCO mucked 3 7 and lost


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $58.59 (117.2 bb)
      BTN: $48.25 (96.5 bb)
      SB: $37.95 (75.9 bb)
      BB: $107.83 (215.7 bb)
      UTG: $45.25 (90.5 bb)
      Hero (MP): $87.72 (175.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 5
      UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BTN folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($7.50) 5 J 4 (5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $14.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $10.75

      Turn: ($40.25) A (2 players)
      BB bets $29, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $40.25 pot ($2 rake)
      Final Board: 5 J 4 A
      CO mucked 6 3 and lost (-$1.50 net)
      BTN mucked Q 6 and lostSB mucked 6 K and lost (-$1.50 net)
      BB showed A 2 and won $38.25 ($22.25 net)
      UTG mucked K A and lost (-$5.25 net)
      Hero mucked 5 5 and lost (-$16 net)
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      03-25-2015 , 12:33 AM
      Hand 1: Maybe you figured it was a lol-pot odds call on the river getting ~4:1, but I think you can fold. It's hard to see how you're ever good. What does villain call flop + turn and ship river? You're basically hoping to see air (v unlikely) or 8s7s, 7s5s exactly. You also block his 98 bluffs and weird T9 gut shot spazes, not that those are likely anyway.

      Hand 2: There's $42.72 left in stacks if you call the turn. If you're currently behind, you very often win it all when you improve imo (and you're getting nearly the 4:1 implied odds you need). Some % of the time, you are best and he checks river to you. It's very close, but I think I'd go ahead and peel the turn with the plan to fold to a river shove unimproved.
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      03-25-2015 , 03:14 AM
      Solid night at 50NL full ring. FR NLHE is definitely my bread and butter game.

      +141.45
      Bankroll: $3090.95
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      03-25-2015 , 07:15 PM
      Subbed, glgl!
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      03-29-2015 , 03:21 AM
      Still grinding out the full ring games. Running 3 50nl and 1 100nl at a time. This plays out to about 60nl and I am well rolled for that. I plan on going until $5k before I switch to four 100nl tables. I want to never be playing more than 10% of my roll at any given point.

      March Graph:


      March Stats:


      I played mediocre tonight. Started off well, then got a little irritated with the maniacs running 80/60 and started getting involved in poor spots. I am still not sure if I should be opening my range and stacking off light with them or just waiting patiently for the opportunity to dominate them. I made a few questionable laydowns where they flipped over complete air in 3 or 4 bet pots. I am not used to seeing that but in the future I will definitely be hesitant to lay down big hands vs the saturday night maniacs.

      I did refer a friend so I got $100 for that.

      +294.54
      Bankroll: $3385.47
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      03-30-2015 , 03:25 AM
      I am thinking about depositing some of my roll on Carbon or WPN. Leaning toward Carbon. The games are so much better there but the lack of any bonus + 6 week cashouts is worrisome. It's probably better than nothing if I continue to play cash.

      WPN bonuses are great I just don't know if I want to be playing with a bunch of nitregs. I make the vast majority of my $ on bovada from big pots with fish and whales, not regs. I don't know how I'd fare over on ACR in the 50nl games.

      Anyone with experience on ACR/Merge low stakes games- let me know what you think.

      My goal is to be able to add 2-4 more tables for when I am playing cash. Ty guys.
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      03-30-2015 , 09:39 AM
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      Originally Posted by bm303
      I am thinking about depositing some of my roll on Carbon or WPN. Leaning toward Carbon. The games are so much better there but the lack of any bonus + 6 week cashouts is worrisome. It's probably better than nothing if I continue to play cash.

      WPN bonuses are great I just don't know if I want to be playing with a bunch of nitregs. I make the vast majority of my $ on bovada from big pots with fish and whales, not regs. I don't know how I'd fare over on ACR in the 50nl games.

      Anyone with experience on ACR/Merge low stakes games- let me know what you think.

      My goal is to be able to add 2-4 more tables for when I am playing cash. Ty guys.

      I'm really curious about the 50NL action over in Carbon/ACR as well. I'm pretty much in the same boat -- I 4-table on Bovada but would love to add 2-4 more tables.
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      03-31-2015 , 04:02 AM
      WPN is about two levels up from Bovada in terms of skill required to beat it. I play ACR because I'm in Mississippi and not allowed to deposit on Bovada, but it's a tough grind. 50NL at ACR is more or less equivalent to 200NL at Bovada.
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      03-31-2015 , 08:52 AM
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      Originally Posted by Aleksei
      WPN is about two levels up from Bovada in terms of skill required to beat it. I play ACR because I'm in Mississippi and not allowed to deposit on Bovada, but it's a tough grind. 50NL at ACR is more or less equivalent to 200NL at Bovada.
      Wat? I live in MS and had no issue depositing on Bovada.
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      03-31-2015 , 09:45 AM
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      Originally Posted by Tim Brice
      Wat? I live in MS and had no issue depositing on Bovada.
      hmm... I tried it like a year ago and Bovada wouldn't accept my card details.
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      03-31-2015 , 05:34 PM
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      Originally Posted by Aleksei
      hmm... I tried it like a year ago and Bovada wouldn't accept my card details.
      Call Customer service. They'll fix you up. You CAN play on Bovada in Mississippi.
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