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Old 07-31-2020, 10:21 PM   #1701
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Re: Living in Thailand on $200/Month - 100BI's, 1 Year Expenses



A year ago I never would have had the experience or confidence to feel like jamming here is acceptable.

The great thing about 4 tabling is not only do you get watch the pots on all tables but you also have time to look up previous pots you may not have seen on another table.

Being able to make very nuanced decisions with what their showdowns have historically been, making rational inferences, doing a bit of combo counting etc and QJ can be a nice value jam vs some villains.

It helps in developing a very tailored game plan for each villain at the table.

so far I'm getting 100 hands per hour on stars normal, software really spits them out quick. So getting close to 100k hands certainly seems possible.

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Old 07-31-2020, 10:34 PM   #1702
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that's the guy that argues cbetting quads on AA2r is also an equity denial bet. Lmfao

Cool story bro. That wasn't me. Try again.

I hope you're enjoying 25nl again. Your natural habitat.

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Old 07-31-2020, 10:53 PM   #1703
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Yes, when you have the stone nuts, there's no reason to deny equity.

You realize you are just proving my point, right? TT on T62 rainbow is essentially the nuts with little odds to get out drawn.

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Classifying any bet as pure value or protection is really just the same thing.

Some of this stuff is pretty basic poker theory.
This ****in idiot was trying to argue cbetting top set on T62r is both a value bet and a protection bet/equity denial bet.

And he further tries to argue that protection bets and value bets are the same thing.

And so he LITERALLY argued that cbetting Quads on AA2r is also a protection bet/equity denial bet

And that was the moment I knew he was probably a retard lol

"some of this stuff is pretty basic poker theory" lmfao

The saddest thing about it all is if he was just simply wrong, that would be fine. But he was so arrogant in his statement and refused to admit he was simply wrong.

So not only is he a retard but defends to the death obviously untrue and indefensible statements. Not once in the thread did he say "oops yeah I was wrong about that"
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:10 PM   #1704
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The saddest thing about it all is if he was just simply wrong, that would be fine. But he was so arrogant in his statement and refused to admit he was simply wrong.

So not only is he a retard but defends to the death obviously untrue and indefensible statements. Not once in the thread did he say "oops yeah I was wrong about that"
Project more lol. Nearly every insult you've directed at others in this thread applies more to yourself than the people you try to insult.

Gl at 25nl. You deserve it. Be at 1knl in no time with this progression
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:18 PM   #1705
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^lol cockroach
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:19 AM   #1706
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dude this QJs is an easy jam vs literally all villains, you have virtually the stone nuts there
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:57 AM   #1707
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And so he LITERALLY argued that cbetting Quads on AA2r is also a protection bet/equity denial bet
Again, where did I say that? I'm still waiting. You can't find the quote because it doesn't exist. You may want to go back and read things carefully.

Also, caught you peaking Guess I am lol unmuted.

Enjoy the bedbugs and 25nl bud. You're really showing all the haters.

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dude this QJs is an easy jam vs literally all villains, you have virtually the stone nuts there
I had to explain to him that missing value bets were why his redline was falling off the cliff, but he was too dense to listen. I even spelled it out for him in a subsequent post after he started ranting about bluffing villains.
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:57 AM   #1708
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dude this QJs is an easy jam vs literally all villains, you have virtually the stone nuts there
Yeah sorry if for the past 4 months villain literally always has JJ-AA/3x/Boats/x calls AJs OOP vs 3/4 cbet and I have to think really hard whether or not to jam this.





Grinded solid poker for the first 3 hours then last 5 minutes these 2 hands happened back to back. Exactly like every session for the past 4 months. Coolers like these should not happen once every 500-1,000 hands over a 250k+ hand stretch. That's not normal. I have hundreds of coolers exactly like this. Pretty much 1 every ~750 hands.

So perhaps trying to get to the root of why I may or may not see QJ as a super ez jam would go further towards providing an added value reply instead of stating what you personally see as being obvious.

The fact I did jam it and also coupled with the fact I personally view it as a solid jam shows I am at least somewhat recovering from the mental leaks that developed from the bad run.

But as I already said it's nice to see I can jam this bc a year ago I would never have jammed it, ever. And even though I think it is a good jam now, I would not have jammed it the past few months, considering.

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Old 08-01-2020, 01:48 AM   #1709
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Funny hand vs a reg I marked as weak. One hand he bet-called A hi OOP then donked riv on a card that was really good for me. So I can probably value raise top pairs confidently vs this guy B vs B like QT on T72r etc, bet turn, x back riv.

This hand I'm going to have way more T9/J9dd/ss, 99 than him so it makes absolutely 0 sense why he would bluff the 5 to st8 runout here when population almost never has 9x in their 4bet bluff range.

So 1.) I can consider x'ing back some portion of my range I would normally cbet to take value from his bluffs

2.) Call a more balanced frequency otr and consider overcalling depending on future showdown combo's

3.) Value bet/value raise more thinly such as possibly JJ 3b SB vs BTN on a 2686K runout, they should never have Kx there and will have 66/99/TT/89s/A8s bluff catches. X calling could be an option as well but this specific villain, hard to tell since he is stationy and possibly bluffy simultaneously. Maybe if JJ unblocks flush draws I can x call and if blocks FD's I can value jam. With a larger sample, stat specificity can help but got to go with what I have.

Being a 24/20 "reg" does not mean they are without massive leaks.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:52 AM   #1710
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Yeah OP, just ran the odds. You've basically been crushed to death 4 days in a row by a vending machine. Might be time to drop down to 10NL as your sole source of income?

Interesting analysis of "This hand I'm going to have way more .. J9dd/99 than him" when your SPR is literally 2 OTF.

You should stop talking about others' leaks and explaining your brilliant play to everyone when you can't beat the micros. You need to be begging on your hands and knees for help from regs so that you can afford bed bug repellant by the end of the month.

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Old 08-01-2020, 01:54 AM   #1711
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come to think of it I'm not totally sure how to adjust lines vs a reg who overcalls and overbluffs simultaneously lol - I guess it totally depends on the specific situation.

Having QT on T72r can be argued both ways - depends on if he is the type to barrel off overs and A hi's and x call 7x, T6s etc or if he bet-calls most of his range OOP then QT can value raise vs 99/K7s etc

Perhaps if I am the aggressor I can just look for thinner value bets/jams/merge overbets and if he is the aggressor I can just call down lighter. That would at least be a simple adjustment vs his style.

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Old 08-01-2020, 03:13 AM   #1712
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So how much did you played and how much did you profit in July?
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Old 08-01-2020, 03:27 AM   #1713
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So how much did you played and how much did you profit in July?
70k hands -$400 ev adjusted

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Old 08-01-2020, 04:05 AM   #1714
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Are you using solvers when doing hand analysis? Could you post some of the solver work?
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:28 AM   #1715
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Would love to see your stats and go through your database.

Upload to a drive and I'll take a look.

You're so focused on huge coolers which is obviously where you don't win/lose money in poker over such large breakeven samples.


Without telling the obvious, think you're likely missing a huge amount spots. You went through like 100k worth of big pots not that long ago and all you could find for leaks/spew were just somewhat standard hands. Your game isn't that redefined /amazing that there shouldn't be quite a bit spew there given you're breakeven on the softest sites during the softest poker time period. So it's likely you're missing a bunch of possible spots

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Old 08-01-2020, 06:04 AM   #1716
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lol please don’t actually help this guy
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:59 AM   #1717
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Any2suited seems like a troll, previous comments very suspect. Most recent phrasing of questions suspect. Blocked.

Barry Urinstein your last name literally means "Goblet Of Piss" - Blocked.
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Old 08-01-2020, 09:29 AM   #1718
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the correct adjustment to the overggro + stationy is the simple adjustment you mentionned, the only tough part is figuring out how thin you’ll go for value and how wide you’ll call so that it doesn’t become -EV, that said it doesnt need to be that accurate to be effective

but yeah mpst of the time exploitative adjustments are fairly intuitive and simple, you can use nodelock in pio for accuracy but you can probably come up with close enough approximations of the exploits on the fly
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:13 AM   #1719
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Enjoyed your thoughts about the simply existing on the last page!

If you want to talk strategy add me on discord: donkeydonk#6832 or pn me for some other way.

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Old 08-01-2020, 10:20 AM   #1720
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70k hands -$400 ev adjusted

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so down ~60bi over the last 350k+ hands at the micros? But you're a winning player?
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:34 AM   #1721
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so down ~60bi over the last 350k+ hands at the micros? But you're a winning player?
Closer to 55 EV adjusted over a 280k sample. Excluding the 50 in 4 days (I really don't even care to count those considering it was just 48 coolers strung together), that's 5 BI's under in about 250k. Now with some of the mental leaks I developed during this time, that most likely accounts for a small amount of EV loss, certainly. Getting KK vs AA ~20 times in 4 days, QQ vs AA a lot, AK vs AA alot, basically seeing AA every time I get my money in pre. But simply having coolers happen all day isn't the only negative variance you can experience. About 90k hands 2 tabling fast on Bodog during the peak of the virus, it seemed like 50% of the time I had anything that was a clear slam dunk value bet on the river I got snap raised or snap jammed on. Or if I didn't get raised the fish would show up with the tippy top of their calling range (like AK on22A78 vs my AQ riv value bet, etc - dozens of times this happened)

And running into sets literally every time I have OP.

Losing basically 100% of pots 350bb's to 500b's doesn't help. Such as 5betting AA, flop coming 67T and villain having 89s for a 400bb pot - Or 5betting AA vs a cold 4 bet and flop coming 963r and villain having 99 for 450bb pot - I could go on and on with these spots. I have probably 15 examples like this.

Losing sets and nut flushes etc all day every day.

Be lucky in the 700k hands you've grinded that you have not yet experienced what I experienced.

It's a good thing I have people in my life that have seen my couple hundred coolers and they are getting 10bb on their site and I'm breaking even and generally speaking, he posts hand histories to me more often seeking advice on how to play the hand better. We've been study friends for a couple years now.

But this has been discussed a lot. You don't believe me, that's fine.

I am really happy for you that you have not yet experienced it. When and if you do then you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Since it's the first time I have experienced such a torrential downpour of soul crushing coolers strung together in daily sessions over weeks and months, it is giving me new insights and testing my resolve for sure.

But real champions shine when things get difficult.

Grind is real bitches.

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Old 08-01-2020, 10:44 AM   #1722
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by the way tgiggity, are you going to add anything of value other than popping in every couple weeks to question whether or not I am telling the truth or I am delusional?

I already mentioned that about 150k of that I was 4 tabling fast in high rake field 9 to 15 hours a day a lot of the time with no breaks and I don't know about you, but I can't sustain any clear thought process under those conditions.

Upon reviewing the HH's however, I can conclude with 100% certainty what a cooler is and is not.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:47 AM   #1723
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Not trying to be a dick, but we can all talk about coolers and we all feel like we have stretches where we run worse than anyone has ever run. But I'm not sure that it is possible for a winning player to lose so many bi's over such a long stretch

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I think you're referencing my comment that in 700k hands at 200nl I've never had a downswing over 20bi. I'm sure part of that is luck and I'll have a time when I downswing 30bi, maybe even 40 if my wr goes down. But if I was down 50+ bi over such a huge sample I would drop any pretense that I can beat the game

I should add that before reaching 200nl I grinded around a million hands 25-100nl. During that time I did have a ~50bi 'downswing', but the reality was that I was a losing player and until I really took a hard look at my game and my leaks I just kept dropping bi and feeling like everyone ran better than me.

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by the way tgiggity, are you going to add anything of value other than popping in every couple weeks to question whether or not I am telling the truth or I am delusional?

I already mentioned that about 150k of that I was 4 tabling fast in high rake field 9 to 15 hours a day a lot of the time with no breaks and I don't know about you, but I can't sustain any clear thought process under those conditions.

Upon reviewing the HH's however, I can conclude with 100% certainty what a cooler is and is not.
I'm not questioning whether you're telling the truth - I believe that you think you get coolered harder and more often than everyone else. And that you believe you're a winning player.

I've played/play the same network you're talking about, 4 tabling ff @ high rake for high rakeback + lb bonuses. and those ff fields are insanely soft below 200nl, there's 1-2 good regs at 100nl and tons of whales. guys flatting k7s in the sb vs ep open and stacking off k high flops, guys defending literally atc from the bb vs a min raise, 3bet sizings are all out of whack... crazy soft and very beatable pre rb even with very high rake. post rake back can be a gold mine if you're willing to put in the absurd hours to grind the leaderboard

I understand if you can't play well when you're playing 9-15 hour days of ff w/out breaks, I can't either. And it's good you recognize that and started playing a more sustainable hands per hour and taking breaks etc. How are your results since switching from ff back to reg tables?

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Old 08-01-2020, 10:55 AM   #1724
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Do you know many other grinder living in thialand on the same living espenses?
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:56 AM   #1725
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The difference is YOUR 50 BI downswing was not over 4 days with 48 of them being spots where you were salivating to shovel chips into the pot and each and every time the villain had those 1 to 8 combo's that had you beat.

I'm not talking about Jamming river with TT on 23489 riv and villain calling with JJ.

We seem to have different opinions on what is possible. Because I actually experienced it, I know what is possible. That's why I am saying with all sincerity that you should feel really good that 17 is the worst you've experienced. Because if you were me when I lost 50 in 4 days, you would have lost 50 in 4 days as well.

But again you can believe me or not.
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