Meh SNGs seems hard to get a nice hourly and all advice I have been giving is that if I put down equal amounts of time in cash and sng games, I will have a much better hourly in cash games so the choice is now on cash games.

I stole the idea of an excel spreadsheet from oliviermtl and his NL Rush experiment and have worked out a plan. I will start with a 100$ deposit on Full Tilt with rakeback. I will start playing at NL5 for 3 hours per day until my bankroll reaches 300$. I will then move up to NL10 with a 10 buyin stoploss. If I lose 10 buyins there, Ill go back to NL5 and grind back to 300$. Rinse and repeat until successfull. Same goes from there, grind it up to 30 buyins at next level, NL25, so 750$, do a 10 buyin stoploss etc.

My final goal will be to be a slight winner at NL100 by the end of this year (I dont mind being a big winner at that level...) and let rakeback do a lot of my work. If anyone knows what kind of rakeback per hour I will get at NL100 fullring grinding like 1400-1500 hands/hour please let me know, also what kind of FT point ratio per hand it is there

I will update this as much as possible and hopefully be able to play 3k hands each day atleast for a total of around 80-90ish each month.

Thanks

Your hourly will be way way higher in sngs. They are just higher variance.

Yeah I would have thought so too, Playing $3 S&G's with your $100 will give a much better hourly than playing NL5 for sure.

For a quick estimate, at NL25 playing about 1500 hands a day gives me a weekly rakeback of about $50, so i guess 4*$50/7 = $28.50 as an hourly rakeback if you can play that many hands, would be 20+ tables though.

1500 hands per hour is standard at rush i think so no need to 20 tabling. Also for the hour rates, i think at micros it may true but not at midstakes. I think a solid nl100 red makes more than thw best 60 regs in sng do.

1500 hands per hour is standard at rush i think so no need to 20 tabling. Also for the hour rates, i think at micros it may true but not at midstakes. I think a solid nl100 red makes more than thw best 60 regs in sng do.

pretty sure 4tabling 6max nl100 rush is about $19/hr rb, never played FR so idk

IMPO, no difference in playing 4 tables of rush vs 20 tables of regular games except a lower hourly. 4 tables of rush 6 max should give you about 1400-1500 hands an hour. 20 tables of 6 max should give you about 1200-1500 hands per hour. Only real difference is how many tables you can fit on your screen if you tile, and how the games play. Rush is much tighter @ FR, not sure about six max, but you are still playing 1400+ hands hourly. I just don't see the reason to 4 table rush which so far appears to provide a lower ptbb versus a standard game.

BAEVentures

Maybe if you're playing 12/10, and thats a big maybe. 1k-1.1k is the standard, 1.5k is 40-50% higher then that and unlikely

Off to a very good start

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($5.08)
Hero ($5.13)
UTG ($4.17)
UTG+1 ($3.42)
UTG+2 ($2.15)
MP1 ($5.27)
MP2 ($3.57)
CO ($7)
BTN ($1.58)

Dealt to Hero A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.35

FLOP ($1.02) K A Q

Hero bets $0.76, CO calls $0.76

TURN ($2.54) K A Q 9

Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

RIVER ($5.54) K A Q 9 Q

Hero bets $2.37 (AI), CO calls $2.37

CO shows A A
(Pre 93%, Flop 99.1%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows A Q
(Pre 7%, Flop 0.9%, Turn 0.0%)

CO wins $9.60
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Not sure about flop in this one:
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
Hero ($6.76)
BB ($25.59)
UTG ($2.86)
UTG+1 ($4.94)
UTG+2 ($17.42)
MP1 ($4.43)
MP2 ($4)
CO ($4.02)
BTN ($9.17)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, UTG calls $0.17

FLOP ($0.49) 9 J 8

Hero bets $0.30, UTG raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $6.54 (AI), UTG calls $1.84 (AI)

TURN ($5.77) 9 J 8 4

RIVER ($5.77) 9 J 8 4 K

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 82%, Flop 20.1%, Turn 9.1%)

UTG shows 8 8
(Pre 18%, Flop 79.9%, Turn 90.9%)

UTG wins $5.39

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($4.87)
BB ($2)
UTG ($13.18)
UTG+1 ($5)
Hero ($5.02)
MP1 ($2.05)
MP2 ($5.11)
CO ($5.08)
BTN ($8.76)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.17, MP1 calls $0.17, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.41) 7 7 6

Hero bets $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $4.85 (AI), MP1 calls $1.28 (AI)

TURN ($4.17) 7 7 6 2

RIVER ($4.17) 7 7 6 2 3

Hero shows 9 9
(Pre 71%, Flop 11.8%, Turn 4.5%)

MP1 shows 7 A
(Pre 29%, Flop 88.2%, Turn 95.5%)

MP1 wins $3.90

Decided to play some during the Rush Happy Hour for 30 minutes and this hand happened

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($4)
BB ($6.57)
Hero ($7.34)
UTG+1 ($2.07)
UTG+2 ($13.84)
MP1 ($1.55)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($3.87)
BTN ($14.13)

Dealt to Hero A A

Hero raises to $0.21, UTG+1 raises to $0.70, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.70, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $1.37 (AI), BTN calls $2.30

FLOP ($8.14) Q 9 3

Hero bets $4.34 (AI), BTN calls $4.34

TURN ($16.82) Q 9 3 8

RIVER ($16.82) Q 9 3 8 3

Hero shows A A
(Pre 82%, Flop 91.7%, Turn 100.0%)

UTG+1 shows K A
(Pre 6%, Flop 1.1%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN shows A Q
(Pre 12%, Flop 7.2%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $15.70

WTF is BTN doing?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.58)
BB ($4.28)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($12.88)
UTG+2 ($9.66)
MP1 ($4.48)
MP2 ($1.67)
Hero ($5.75)
BTN ($1.86)

Dealt to Hero A J

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, fold, BB calls $0.17, UTG calls $0.17

FLOP ($0.68) A K 6

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

TURN ($0.68) A K 6 8

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40, UTG folds

RIVER ($1.48) A K 6 8 2

BB bets $1.48, Hero calls $1.48

BB shows T J
(Pre 28%, Flop 16.9%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero shows A J
(Pre 72%, Flop 83.1%, Turn 90.9%)

Hero wins $4.15

wow nice.. why not raise on river?

I figured he either had a set or was on a bluff since QJ/JT missed their gutshot and the flush didnt come and I was having a hard time putting him on a set here since I didnt show that much strenght during the hand so I doubt he would pot river with one so it was more like 20%set/75%bluff/5%one pair hands so no value in raising

Very well explained, makes perfect sense.

Good call here by villain obviously:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.12)
BB ($1.36)
UTG ($2.07)
UTG+1 ($11.59)
UTG+2 ($5.71)
MP1 ($5.50)
MP2 ($1.15)
Hero ($7.66)
BTN ($4.41)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.22, fold, SB raises to $0.80, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.75, Hero raises to $7.66 (AI), SB calls $1.32 (AI), UTG+2 calls $4.91 (AI)

FLOP ($13.59) K 8 A

TURN ($13.59) K 8 A T

RIVER ($13.59) K 8 A T 6

SB shows 9 9
(Pre 18%, Flop 8.1%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG+2 shows Q J
(Pre 9%, Flop 18.1%, Turn 96.4%)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 73%, Flop 73.8%, Turn 3.6%)

UTG+2 wins $12.69

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.41)
BB ($7.93)
UTG ($3.04)
UTG+1 ($3.63)
UTG+2 ($5.41)
Hero ($5)
MP2 ($3.03)
CO ($4.03)
BTN ($1.19)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, UTG+2 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.27, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.27, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.22, UTG+2 calls $0.22

FLOP ($1.15) J 7 K

UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.80, BTN folds, UTG+1 calls $0.80, UTG+2 folds

TURN ($2.75) J 7 K 9

UTG+1 bets $2.56 (AI), Hero calls $2.56

RIVER ($7.87) J 7 K 9 5

UTG+1 shows Q K
(Pre 26%, Flop 18.7%, Turn 15.9%)

Hero shows A K
(Pre 74%, Flop 81.3%, Turn 84.1%)

Hero wins $7.35

His turn allin is alot weaker here than a check right?

I have changed to Ipoker instead because of better options in valuebacks etc. Running pretty good, up like 6 buyins in 500 hands Alot of weaker opponents.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($5)
BB ($3.56)
Hero ($4.90)
CO ($4.91)
BTN ($3.69)

Dealt to Hero 6 6

Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.38, Hero calls $0.26

FLOP ($0.78) 5 3 2

BB bets $0.78, Hero raises to $4.52 (AI), BB calls $2.40 (AI)

TURN ($7.14) 5 3 2 4

RIVER ($7.14) 5 3 2 4 4

BB shows A Q
(Pre 45%, Flop 24.6%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero shows 6 6
(Pre 55%, Flop 75.4%, Turn 97.7%)

Hero wins $6.67

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
Hero ($4.94)
BB ($7.57)
UTG ($2.39)
UTG+1 ($9.61)
CO ($9.96)
BTN ($4.90)

Dealt to Hero K 4

UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

FLOP ($0.12) T K 7

Hero bets $0.09, BB calls $0.09, UTG calls $0.09

TURN ($0.39) T K 7 Q

Hero bets $0.29, BB calls $0.29, UTG folds

RIVER ($0.97) T K 7 Q 3

Hero checks, BB bets $0.97, Hero calls $0.97

Hero shows K 4
(Pre 38%, Flop 78.3%, Turn 79.5%)

BB shows T A
(Pre 62%, Flop 21.7%, Turn 20.5%)

Hero wins $2.72

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.61)
BB ($8.38)
UTG ($5.34)
UTG+1 ($6.56)
CO ($5.07)
Hero ($2.86)

Dealt to Hero 3 3

UTG raises to $0.16, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.16, SB calls $0.14, fold

FLOP ($0.52) 3 2 Q

SB bets $0.39, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.39

TURN ($1.30) 3 2 Q T

SB bets $3.06 (AI), Hero calls $2.31 (AI)

RIVER ($5.92) 3 2 Q T 6

Hero shows 3 3
(Pre 18%, Flop 91.1%, Turn 95.5%)

SB shows 7 7
(Pre 82%, Flop 8.9%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $5.53

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($7.95)
BB ($5.01)
Hero ($5.47)
UTG+1 ($3.16)
CO ($8.26)
BTN ($5.49)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

Hero raises to $0.14, UTG+1 raises to $0.24, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20, Hero raises to $5.47 (AI), UTG+1 calls $2.92 (AI), fold

FLOP ($6.58) K 7 8

TURN ($6.58) K 7 8 4

RIVER ($6.58) K 7 8 4 K

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 68%, Flop 80.7%, Turn 90.9%)

UTG+1 shows 8 A
(Pre 32%, Flop 19.3%, Turn 9.1%)

Hero wins $6.15

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.04(BB) Replayer
SB ($5.35)
BB ($9.41)
CO ($10.26)
Hero ($6.21)

Dealt to Hero 8 7

fold, Hero raises to $0.14, SB calls $0.12, BB calls $0.10

FLOP ($0.42) Q K 5

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, SB folds, BB calls $0.31

TURN ($1.04) Q K 5 9

BB bets $0.72, Hero raises to $5.76 (AI), BB calls $5.04

RIVER ($12.56) Q K 5 9 7

Hero shows 8 7
(Pre 40%, Flop 51.6%, Turn 100.0%)

BB shows T J
(Pre 60%, Flop 48.4%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $11.73

Tried out some NL10 and that is as easy as NL4, except I make more money...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.33)
BB ($9.73)
CO ($10.92)
Hero ($10.26)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, BB calls $0.25

FLOP ($0.75) A 5 4

BB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

TURN ($1.11) A 5 4 A

BB bets $1.11, Hero calls $1.11

RIVER ($3.33) A 5 4 A 8

BB bets $1.66, Hero calls $1.66

Hero shows 9 9
(Pre 54%, Flop 73.6%, Turn 86.4%)

BB shows T J
(Pre 46%, Flop 26.4%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero wins $6.21

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($8.98)
BB ($5.48)
Hero ($10)
CO ($15.83)
BTN ($2.59)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

Hero raises to $0.35, fold, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, fold

FLOP ($1.15) 5 4 3

SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN folds

TURN ($2.15) 5 4 3 Q

SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $2.51, SB folds

Hero shows 9 9

Hero wins $2.76

Not sure how to play this turn since I know I am ahead here like 90% of the time and lots of bad rivers can come.

In all seriousness, would it be possible to make a living playing NL10 shorthanded, 10 tables with a good deal? Seems like 10bb/100 isnt hard, so thats 10$ per 1000 hands, like 8$ hourly. With a nice deal I think you can get another 3-4$ hourly. 12$ hourly with minimum stress... Not something I am thinking about doing but NL10 is really really easy. Even the regs I have met are so bad I am glad they are regs Cant wait for NL20, just need another 290$ or so and then I have 30 buyins and I will pwn.

VS Mega Fish:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($12.46)
BB ($14.49)
UTG ($2.84)
UTG+1 ($10.05)
Hero ($10)
BTN ($34.60)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN raises to $0.60, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.20, BTN calls $1.60

FLOP ($4.55) T Q Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $2.28, Hero raises to $7.80 (AI), BTN calls $5.52

TURN ($20.15) T Q Q 3

RIVER ($20.15) T Q Q 3 4

BTN shows 5 5
(Pre 20%, Flop 11.8%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero shows J J
(Pre 80%, Flop 88.2%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero wins $18.81

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($17.34)
Hero ($11.31)
UTG ($10.17)
UTG+1 ($18.76)
CO ($15.87)
BTN ($10)

Dealt to Hero K A

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.35, fold, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.80, fold, BTN calls $1.45, fold

FLOP ($4.30) A K 3

Hero bets $3.22, BTN raises to $8.20 (AI), Hero calls $4.98

TURN ($20.70) A K 3 7

RIVER ($20.70) A K 3 7 9

BTN shows 5 K
(Pre 29%, Flop 1.9%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows K A
(Pre 71%, Flop 98.1%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $19.32

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($3.48)
Hero ($12.13)
UTG ($15.43)
CO ($10.40)
BTN ($10.41)

Dealt to Hero 6 6

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.65) 5 6 9

Hero bets $0.48, BTN raises to $1.45, Hero raises to $4.60, BTN raises to $10.11 (AI), Hero calls $5.51

TURN ($20.87) 5 6 9 7

RIVER ($20.87) 5 6 9 7 T

Hero shows 6 6
(Pre 86%, Flop 98.9%, Turn 95.5%)

BTN shows 5 6
(Pre 14%, Flop 1.1%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $19.48

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
Hero ($15.98)
BB ($10.85)
UTG ($9.84)
CO ($13.03)
BTN ($10.04)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $0.40, fold, BTN calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.70, fold, UTG calls $1.30, fold

FLOP ($3.90) 4 4 4

Hero bets $2.92, UTG raises to $8.14 (AI), Hero calls $5.22

TURN ($20.18) 4 4 4 2

RIVER ($20.18) 4 4 4 2 T

Hero shows K K
(Pre 82%, Flop 91.2%, Turn 95.5%)

UTG shows J J
(Pre 18%, Flop 8.8%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $18.84

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($10.09)
Hero ($18.81)
UTG ($10.70)
UTG+1 ($10)
CO ($9.60)
BTN ($10)

Dealt to Hero 6 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

FLOP ($0.20) 6 9 6

SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

TURN ($0.60) 6 9 6 8

SB bets $9.79 (AI), Hero calls $9.79

RIVER ($20.18) 6 9 6 8 3

SB shows 5 7
(Pre 38%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows 6 9
(Pre 62%, Flop 99.7%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $18.84

Obv the above hand is an expert play by villain

Oh and graphs, you guys love those:

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