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01-24-2017 , 06:10 PM
Don't get too concerned about downswings. Easier said then done I know but what I have to keep telling myself or asking myself is how did I play?

Sounds like you are making some sound decision and thinking through the hands. Just some run bad. From what many Pros have said it's not unlikely to have a 7k down swing at 1/2. I don't have enough hours to even begin to know.

I had 3 losing sessions in a row in December and was up only 200 bucks on my bank roll. It just takes 1 good sessiin to get you back on track and that 1 session could cover most of your loses.

Just stay positive. And keep grinding.

Hand 1, sometimes you got to slow down with AK when you miss a flop.

Hand 3, board is pretty wet on the flop so when you get bet into on the turn you can figure someone had a draw that got there or had a draw that greatly improved on the turn.

Hand 2 and 3 were played well I think.
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01-24-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ZombieApoc21
8.


Time Played: 7:42
Result: -$328


The poker session

Well, I booked another losing session. That makes six in a row. It feels like I should have mixed in a winning session if by nothing other than accident. I played tight throughout the evening, did not spew off any money in the way of bluffs, but ran bad in two big pot that basically turned the tide. I did discover another leak that, I am not sure that I was aware of when it was working in conjunction with my other leaks, that being that I turn into a bit of a station on turns and rivers.

This session was by far the worst game that I have played of 2017. The game was extremely quiet, there were 3 pretty competent/good players and 3 absolute rock/nits, and there were no better tables in the room to move to.

I did mix in a hand that I won below, just so that it can be shown that I can win a hand. Albeit maybe only 1 every couple of hours or so.

Does anybody out there have tales of their longest downswings in llsnl? Hours and bb’s?


Hand history’s

Hand 1
Hero, $265, tight image, button, AK
V1, has me covered, competeant and thinking player, pfr ~40%, HJ

Folds to V1 who raises to $10 (his standard open had been to $8), hero reraises to $20. V1 calls.
Pot: $40
Flop: T86

V1 checks, Hero bets $30. V1 raises to $110. I have seen V1 take flops after raising preflop and has folded to bets. I haven’t seen V1 show up w/ any bluffs in the three hours that I have been playing with him. I fold and V1 doesn’t show. I don’t think that this is a very good spot for me. I am basically all-in w/ two overs on the flop if I want to continue.


Hand 2
Hero, $200, tight, TT, MP
V1, $500, this is the V from hand 1, UTG
V2, $175, Nit, MP
V3, $300, Loose/passive, button,
V4, $230, new player to the table, BB

V1 raises to $8, all call.
Pot: $40
Flop: TK8

Checks to hero, hero bets $30. Only V4 calls.
Pot: $100
Turn: 3

V4 leads into me for $45. I think about my options and call. I want to evaluate the likelihood of V having the flush otr. Also, I want to try and boat up just in case I am up against the flush. I don’t think that V is the type of player who would lead into me with a flush. Also, the bet sizing seemed rather small for a flush, unless he has the nut flush.
Pot: $190
River: 7

V4 checks. I think that I am going to go for some value here. I think that it is very likely that V2 has a two pair or a big K. I bet $50. V2 thinks for a good amount of time, and I think that he is going to lay his hand down. Villain ultimately calls and shows
Spoiler:
Q9.



Hand 3
Hero, $215, tight, KJ, UTG
V1, $175, this is V4 from hand 2, button
V2, $500, tight, BB

Hero open raises to $10, and both V’s call.
Pot: $30
Flop: J97

Hero bets out $20, V1 calls, and V3 folds.
Pot: $70
Turn: Q

Hero checks. V1 bets $45. I think that this is an odd bet. I am putting V1 on fd’s and some pair sd’s. I really don’t think that V1 is doing this with a nake Q in his hand, principally because he setting himself to get his stack in. I had seen V1 bluff on the river with air and semi bluff shove the nut fd, in between hands 2 and 3.
Pot: $160
River: 7x

So the fd’s whiff. Hero checks, and villain shoves $72. This line just screams missed fd bluff. I have played the hand pretty passively and think that I have good showdown value. The sole AQ that I think V1 may have is AQ, but feel like that is more on the unlikely side of his range.
Villain shows
Spoiler:
KcQs and his hand is good. I am a station I guess.


Hand 4
Hero, $275, TAG, KT, BB
V1, $125, Splashy, utg+1
V2, $250, TAG, utg+2
V3, $180, tight, HJ
V4, $300, V1 from last hand, hasn’t changed his image, button

Limps to V4, who raises to $8, all call.
Pot:$40
KT8

Checks to V4, who bets $25. Hero raises to $65. V thinks for about a minute and calls. All others fold.
Pot: $170
Turn: 2

I take about 10 seconds and shoves for $202. V tank folds. I thought this was the hand I was going to get back on track. Any thoughts on my line?


In other news

I finished 3rd in a 2k player field on a late night slate of games in NBA DFS for $200. Not a huge score, but with the doom switch activated on my poker game I will take any profit that I can get. Also, the poker room that I am playing at has a paid to play promotion running for January. Players get $5/hour, at a minimum of 50 hours played. I am currently sitting at 34 hours and will be looking to maximize my hours to close out the month. At 40 hours I will qualify for the rooms monthly hours earned freeroll. Gotta try to recoup some of this month's losses through grind.
I had to edit an update for V4 from Hand 2. V4 stayed involved throughout Hand 2, and my post required an an edit as Villain was involved in multiple hands that would follow.
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01-25-2017 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SamBJam
Don't get too concerned about downswings. Easier said then done I know but what I have to keep telling myself or asking myself is how did I play?

Sounds like you are making some sound decision and thinking through the hands. Just some run bad. From what many Pros have said it's not unlikely to have a 7k down swing at 1/2. I don't have enough hours to even begin to know.

I had 3 losing sessions in a row in December and was up only 200 bucks on my bank roll. It just takes 1 good sessiin to get you back on track and that 1 session could cover most of your loses.

Just stay positive. And keep grinding.

Hand 1, sometimes you got to slow down with AK when you miss a flop.

Hand 3, board is pretty wet on the flop so when you get bet into on the turn you can figure someone had a draw that got there or had a draw that greatly improved on the turn.

Hand 2 and 3 were played well I think.
Thank you for your input!

I started out last January on about a 1.2K downswing, and my current trend feels very similar. When I went out to Vegas in February of last year I started to hit my stride, and going 5-0 in sessions really got me back in the right frame of mind. I am just waiting to have that one big session in the positive to hopefully get me back on the right trajectory.

I think that moving forward I need to recognize that, when opponents are continuing on on wet flops, if the cards that help draws come and my opponents then take aggressive lines, typically they aren't representing a hand, they probably have a hand.

I got a little bit fooled in the hand where I flop the set and villain makes a straight ott, then checks the river to me. But, overall I can take less aggressive lines and know that in the game I am playing villains are going to play more straight forward on draw heavy boards.
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01-25-2017 , 09:51 AM
Hand 1: Raise more preflop. 3betting a $10 preflop raise to $20 invites villain to call with his entire range. If he is as good as you say he is, he will never be folding.

Hand 2: Raise the turn bet. We're going for fat value, not FPS. Fat value is how you beat 1/2. There are a ton of hands that will call a substantial turn raise. QJ/KQ/KT/K8/T8/nut spades/spades + straight draw/88/etc.

Hand 3: Fold preflop. A hand with too many issues to open first to act in a 9-handed game. XF turn as played. The Q goes way too much in hand with hands he is calling the flop with. T8/QT/QJ/Q9/KQ/KT. Of the worse hands that call, JT picks up a ton of equity as well as T9. So we're in one of those way behind/slightly ahead spots where it's just better to fold.

Hand 4: WP. There are a couple of betsizes IMO that can't be wrong. We could check, we could bet something like $120, or jam. I think jam and check lines look the bluffiest. Just kind of sucks when he has a hand like KJ or K9 that couldn't play for stacks anyways.

Good luck!
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01-25-2017 , 01:51 PM
Hey, thanks for your comments and analysis!

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Hand 1: Raise more preflop. 3betting a $10 preflop raise to $20 invites villain to call with his entire range. If he is as good as you say he is, he will never be folding.
I couldn't agree more. In fact, I made a mistake that should never be made. I thought that I had 5 red's in my hand when I was putting in the raise, and only had 4. Even at that, I still think that I like a bigger raise to $30 the most.

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Hand 2: Raise the turn bet. We're going for fat value, not FPS. Fat value is how you beat 1/2. There are a ton of hands that will call a substantial turn raise. QJ/KQ/KT/K8/T8/nut spades/spades + straight draw/88/etc.
Fancy play was definitely not my intention. I had in mind that a flush made up a large portion of v's range, and had the thought that I was going to need to improve otr. And...... Damn, I just realized that **** myself on the hand history for Hand 2. The turn was supposed to be a 3. That is why I played hand as such..... And oh ****! I just realized that I botched posting the river card as well. Okay, bear with, this is what the hand should have looked like:

Hand 2
Hero, $200, tight, TT, MP
V1, $500, this is the V from hand 1, UTG
V2, $175, Nit, MP
V3, $300, Loose/passive, button,
V4, $230, new player to the table, BB

V1 raises to $8, all call.
Pot: $40
Flop: TK8

Checks to hero, hero bets $30. Only V4 calls.
Pot: $100
Turn: 3

V4 leads into me for $45. I think about my options and call. I want to evaluate the likelihood of V having the flush otr. Also, I want to try and boat up just in case I am up against the flush. I don’t think that V is the type of player who would lead into me with a flush. Also, the bet sizing seemed rather small for a flush, unless he has the nut flush.
Pot: $190
River: 6

V4 checks. I think that I am going to go for some value here. I think that it is very likely that V2 has a two pair or a big K. I bet $50. V2 thinks for a good amount of time, and I think that he is going to lay his hand down. Villain ultimately calls and shows



What are your thoughts on my line considering that the flush came in on the turn?

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Hand 3: Fold preflop. A hand with too many issues to open first to act in a 9-handed game. XF turn as played. The Q goes way too much in hand with hands he is calling the flop with. T8/QT/QJ/Q9/KQ/KT. Of the worse hands that call, JT picks up a ton of equity as well as T9. So we're in one of those way behind/slightly ahead spots where it's just better to fold.
You're spot. This was one of the very few hands that I got away from my "Worst hand ever play" from utg. All of the later streets sort of precipitated into more mistakes with my hand. While I can find justification for my action and line in the hand, the trouble is easily avoidable by folding pre, and acknowledging that villain isn't taking his line as a bluff too often.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Hand 4: WP. There are a couple of betsizes IMO that can't be wrong. We could check, we could bet something like $120, or jam. I think jam and check lines look the bluffiest. Just kind of sucks when he has a hand like KJ or K9 that couldn't play for stacks anyways.
You speak to exactly what I was trying to portray, a bluffing/weaker hand type hand.

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Good luck!
Thank You!
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01-26-2017 , 02:11 PM
9.



Time Played: 5:20
Result:+$340



The poker session

Well, I finally got to use two racks transporting my chips to the cage. Although, I left about another $200 on the table, which I am pissed about. The first hand I lost $90 more than I should have when I picked up AA, I bet pot and near pot, on a K high board, then called otr when the flush came in and villain had it. This hand was about 30 min. Into the sessions and I was thinking, here we go again. I didn’t stick to my gameplan of not paying villains off when the draw comes in. I was able to rebound and book a win, but I did not, and will not, forget about this mistake.

The table that I was on last night was probably the weakest that I have played at in January. Up until about the last 45 minutes, at which time a couple of decent players sat down. There are actually a decent number of traveling recreational players that pass through the room, shocking for Oklahoma.


Hand history’s

Hand 1
Hero, $420, TAG, TT, button
V1, $350, slight tilt, loose, utg
V2, $125, loose/splashy, BB

V1 limps. Hero raises to $12, both villains call.
Pot: $36
Flop: TA7

Checks to hero. Hero bets $15, V2 folds. V1 raises $35. Hero calls. So at this point I am thinking that villain has two pair or possibly some sort of oesd, and sensed weakness with my bet, which I was trying to portray. I make the call.
Pot: $106
Turn: 2

I couldn’t have asked for a better turn card. V1 leads for $50. I take a second to think further about V1’s range of hands. I am starting to think, and hope that V has an under set. I think about my options and call.
Pot: $206
River: J

Not a great card for maximising value for me. Not the worst card though, which I think would have been an A. V1 bets $100. I take a good amount of time to think this hand through. V has about $120 behind or so, and I am thinking about putting the rest in. I am not sure that two pair will call, a small set may fold, and I am crushed by the straights.

I end up just calling and villain shows AT for two pair. I am pretty upset with my call otr. I had put villain on two pair and convinced myself that villain had KQ. I am pretty sure that if I wasn’t in the middle of the downswing that I would have gotten all of the money in. Just another part of my game that I need to work on. That being playing better when in adverse situations.


In other news

Really nothing to update on this front. I will probably be getting into some NBA DFS since I won’t be at the poker table. I plan to try and hit a 10 hour day on Friday to finish off the 50 hours promo, and then see what sort of lagniappe I can put on my volume Saturday and Monday/Tuesday. I may try to max these hours out and get as much money/hour back that I can. It is kind of sweet once you hit that 50 hour mark to know that you are getting paid an additional $5/hour to play poker. I should also be already qualified for the monthly freeroll, which will hopefully yield some value to me.


“Don't water your weeds”
― Harvey MacKay
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01-28-2017 , 01:52 PM
I am sitting and drinking coffee right now, planning out my approach to poker today. I am going to head to the card room shortly, and I will be looking to put in a minimum of 10 hours. If I am able to surpass 10 hours, that would be my longest single day session to date. Wish me luck!
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01-28-2017 , 02:02 PM
in, gl op. kind of in a similar situation as you actually.
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01-28-2017 , 06:05 PM
Congrats on booking a winning session. Good luck, look forward to the update.

I get to go play as well. It's been awhile since I have been able to play a Saturday night so hopefully the tables are good. They can't be worse than a sunday.
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01-28-2017 , 06:58 PM
The TT hand you should be all in at some point you know that already. Usually if you think there not bluffing and you think they will call a raise, raise size doesnt matter. Raise before the river if you think they have something decent, or a draw. Raising when you have it or dont have it yeilds a better roi than calling. At least you realize your mistakes. gl subbed
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01-29-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mxga917
in, gl op. kind of in a similar situation as you actually.
Good to have you along. I hope my journey provides something for others that are out there in our positions. It's been a pretty fun ride for myself thus far. I hope the same can be said for yourself.

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Originally Posted by SamBJam
Congrats on booking a winning session. Good luck, look forward to the update.

I get to go play as well. It's been awhile since I have been able to play a Saturday night so hopefully the tables are good. They can't be worse than a sunday.
It felt good to "get off the schneid."

Glad to hear that you are getting to hit the felt. It can be torturous wanting to play and not having the opportunity to do so. I hope that you ran well!

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Originally Posted by cafepoker
The TT hand you should be all in at some point you know that already. Usually if you think there not bluffing and you think they will call a raise, raise size doesnt matter. Raise before the river if you think they have something decent, or a draw. Raising when you have it or dont have it yeilds a better roi than calling. At least you realize your mistakes. gl subbed
Funny you should say that. My opponent said the same thing that, I don't know how you weren't all-in ott. Too be honest, I thought a turn shove would just fold out almost everything but sets, and in the grand scheme of things thought that was actually a small portion of his range compared to two pair that I wanted to keep in the hand. Having said that, I let my losing streak dictate my play and I am better than that. I should have shoved the river. Hell, it wouldn't be the first time that I value owned myself, and I can't miss out on these bets.

Thanks for popping in, and the hand analysis that you took the time to provide.
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01-29-2017 , 08:33 PM
9.


Time Played: 10:14
Result: +$17



The poker session

So, I put in my longest single day session to date. It felt pretty good. As I started approaching the 8, and 9 hour marks, I felt more and more attuned to what was going on at the table. I think that if I didn’t have to make an hour drive home through rural road at 2 a.m. I could have played close to 15 hours. Maybe 15 hours will be my next single day goal.

I was hovering around +$100 to even for most of the first 4 hours. I don’t think that this is too unusual, but in my last 25 hours of play, I have seen AA twice, and KK 3 times. I am 1 for 5 with those hands in that time. This just seems like an inordinately low amount of times.

My game ran the gamut of very tight, to very loose, with the trend being more towards the tight end of the spectrum. I didn’t mind either way as I got work on different aspects of my game. I also worked on my awareness as to how the game was playing at various intervals. My overall game plan for the evening revolved around the “Worst Hand Ever Play” theory from each position. This is a proposition from Tommy Angelo in his book Elements of Poker, a book that I highly suggest to any live grinder. I only broke the model one time, when on some slight tilt from boredom of folding hands. Luckily I got off light and only lost about $30 in the hand and learned my lesson moving forward.

Lastly, I picked up an extra $83 in promo money when the single table mini bad beat hit. This bad beat is any A’s full beat, and award $1k to the losing hand, $500 to the winning hand, and $500 split among the rest of the table. I picked up a little extra coin on the table split when one of the players was up walking, as this bad beat differs from the main bad beat. The main bad beat will award everyone playing as long as they haven’t missed a blind. The mini bad beat says that to be awarded you had to be dealt into the hand.


Hand History’s

Hand 1
Hero, $225, no real image, just that of a young person, HJ, 89
V1, $325, Middle Aged woman, Utg+1
V2, $175, older man, thought about raising me with trips no kicker otr in a hand earlier, mp
V3, $500, splashy older man, CO
V4, $125, new to the table, 4 bet shoved 100bb w/ AKo preflop earlier. Button
V5, $200, no reads on him. Sb

Limps to V2, who raises to $10, all players call.
Pot: $50
Flop: T67

Checks to V1, who bets $15. V2 calls, and hero calls. All others fold.
Pot: $95
Turn: J

V1 bets $15, V2 calls. Hero raises to $65. I am wanting to try and set things up where we can get stacks in. Both players fold.


Hand 2
Hero, $310, tight, button, QQ
V1, $400, loose splashy, Utg+1

V1 limps, a mp limps, hero raises to $12. Only V1 calls.
Pot: $26
Flop: AK8x

Check Check.
Pot: $26
Turn: 3

V1 bets $20 and hero Calls. I have seen this villain donk bet some flops before, and I think that this board is tailor made for our villain to donk bet if he happened to have flopped anything.
Pot: $66
River: J

V1 bets $25 and hero calls. I felt like villains line is bluffy, because I don’t think that villain is going to be able to value bet two pair into a preflop raises in the manner of his line in this hand. Villain showed, I think it was, J9. Either way I take it down.


Hand 3
Hero, $300, tight, losing, has shown one bluff, UTG, TcTs
V1, $350, loose, splashy woman. I haven’t seen her bluff much, if at all. Button.
V2, $500, very competent player, maybe the best player at the table. BB

Hero raises to $7, two mp callers, v1 also calls. V2 raises to $40. I call and V1 calls. With the players that are already in this hand, and considering that I think at least one other player is going to call the $40, I feel like there is too much dead money out there for me not to call. Plus, I will have position on the preflop raiser and may be able to win a big pot if I flop
Gin.
Pot: $140
Flop: 468r

The flop checks around. I feel like with the big pot size everyone will be playing this hand pretty straight forward, which I see as a trend in these games.
Pot: $140
Turn: 9, second heart on the board

V2 checks. Hero bets $80. V1 calls and V2 folds. I was actually looking to take the pot down right here. I felt like this is an optimal board for me that didn’t hit a set. I am only guess that V1 could have some sort of fd or sd, or that they may be overplaying top pair.
Pot: $300
River is 4

I check, and villain doesn’t take long to slide out $80. I say “I know that you hit the hearts.” I get a coy smile. Then I ask if she will show me if I fold. Her response was “Do you want to see it?” She says this kind of slyly and when people tend ot answer a question with a question, it usually means that they are trying to hide something. With that said, I thougt that my pot odds are to good and that I have the necessary equity against V’s range to call and I do so. She shows JT for the whiffed sd.

In other news

I’ve just been whiffing at NBA DFS, nothing even close to worth reporting. I am currently reading a couple of books, A Great American’s Life And Ideas (A biography of Thomas Jefferson)



Last Words (an autobiography of George Carlin’s styling).



I may include some anecdotes itt at some point when I finish them.

I would like to showcase some new whisky’s or craft beers that I have tried, but I have been solely on my old staples of Seagrams 7 and Sam Adams Boston Lager. I will step my game back up in this regard to hold true to my old motif. Actually, I did audition this very cheap whisky:

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01-31-2017 , 03:53 PM
10.


Time Played: 5:06
Result: -$43



The poker session

I started picking up some starting hands like AA,KK,AK with the sort of preponderance that feels normal. In any case, I ran my stack up +$150 or so and pretty much maintained that throughout the session, until the doomswitch activated once again. It seems like I am getting involved in at least spot/hand every session that crushes my stack and my results. I do think that I have been doing a good job of avoiding tilt following a beat. It just feels like I am in the middle of a brutal downswing, and to make matters worse, it is especially difficult to handle at the outset of a challenge such as the one I am undertaking. I am just going to continue trying to make the best possible decisions that I can.



Hand history’s

Hand 1
Hero, $315, Probably a loose image, HJ, AK
V1, $138, TAG, utg2
V2, $425, Loose, BB

V1 raises to $16. V2 calls, hero calls.
Pot: $48
Flop: 89Kr

V2 checks. V1 bets $41. V2 calls, hero calls.
Pot: $210
Turn: 2 (This heart brings a fd)

V2 checks. V1 shoves $81. I tank fold, and V2 folds. I think that I am chopping, best case scenario. I had looked back to see if I had a to block getting freerolled by AK, as the Kh isn’t on the board. V2 says that he needed me to call, after the hand is over, as he had an oesd. V1 shows a K, and when I say that I think we were chopping, he adamantly says twice that “we weren’t chopping.” I believe that Villain had KK.


Hand 2
Hero, $250, TAG, utg, ASTS
V1, $325, competent player, but he has been playing for the last 30 hours. Utg+1
V2, $225, Loose/passive older man, over values hands, MP

Hero raises to $10. Both v’s call.
Pot: $30
Flop: TTQ

For some context, I have been opening quite a few pots, but I have not been C-betting when I whiff. So there have been quite a few instances of me opening a pot preflop and giving up otf in the previous couple of hours.

Hero bets $20. V1 folds. V2 raises to $45. I do not see V2 raising with sd’s, so I pretty much rule that down to a small percentage of his range. Next, I imagine that V can have QT some of the time, KT some of the time, and JT, T9, to complete the T’s that are in V’s hand. I also believe that V2 would make a similar move w/ some big Q’s.

I call the small reriase. Partly trying to trap, not wanting to fold out Q’s and weaker T’s. The other part was to see another card, and adjust accordingly.
Pot: $125
Turn: K

I think that this is probably the worst card in the deck for my hand, as V2 improves to a full house w/ some of the range that I have him on. At least, there are less T’s that I can beat now, especially w/ V2 having shown strength otf.

I check, and V2 bets $100 pretty demonstratively. The betting action kind of makes me think that he doesn’t love his hand, and wants the action to be over. I am split between folding and calling, and decide to call thinking that V2 could be continuing a line with some hands that I can beat. Also, I don’t think that V2 is betting the river. Or I may just be hoping that he doesn’t
Pot: $325
River: 2

It goes check check and V2 shows
Spoiler:
AdJs, and his Boradway is good. I was pretty shocked to see his hand to be quite honest. Like I said, I removed sd's from V's range and really didn't think that this V would be re-raising me with a gutshot. After the hand, V mentioned that he was trying to rep a T. I have no idea why that would pop into a line for V. I guess this is a ood thing as villain's at 1/2 are still trying to spew, you just have to have your hand hold up


Is there any commentary on my line? OTF? OTT?

In other news

I am going to be going back through all of my previous hand history’s itt and elsewhere that I can locate. I am going to be combing over these HH’s in an effort to identify mistakes and leaks that I am continually making. Even though I am on a downswing, I am going to make every damn effort that I can to minimize my losses, and perhaps turn small losses into small wins. I’m not going to let my current run of cards deter me from my long term goals. Plus, I just need to improve my game.

Also, good win for Oklahoma State basketball last night. I was glad to see Phil Forte finally get a win in Norman last night. Go Pokes!

“The price of discipline is always less than the pain of regret.” — Nido Qubein
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01-31-2017 , 04:06 PM
GLGL op will be following. Recently did a similar thing with my job!
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02-01-2017 , 09:34 AM
Hand 1 would be a great spot to jam on the turn.

If there is a raise and a call in front it's a great spot to raise as you put the limper in a tough spot and the raiser now will have to fold unless he has you dominated. He jams for 81 more on the river. If you had raised him your committed to the pot. I like a raise or a fold here just calling is too passive I think.

Hand 2 is tough. It's kinda a flip really. When he bets 100 into 120 you either need to fold or jam. Simply calling and checking is a losing play too many times. He is not laying you good odds so if your confident in your read you should jam if not you should fold but calling to just check the river unless you hit an A or 10 is not so good. If he bets river you are folding.

Agreed he should not be in the pot with AJ on the turn but he called cheap and to trap you and then only got paid on 1 street when he hit his draw so not so good for him either.

Again it's always easier to say these things when your not in the moment and under pressure. Seems like you are thinking through the hands well, this is just my 2 cents.

Good luck and keep grinding and posting.
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02-01-2017 , 09:52 AM
Value value value is all I can say. Value beats 1/2. FPS and bluffing does not. IE playing trappy with your value hands. GL!
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02-01-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyska
GLGL op will be following. Recently did a similar thing with my job!
Thanks for checking in. I will be glad to have you following along. Its a big leap, and I hope that you enjoy the ride. Feel free to chime in on the thread whenever.

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Originally Posted by SamBJam
Hand 1 would be a great spot to jam on the turn.

If there is a raise and a call in front it's a great spot to raise as you put the limper in a tough spot and the raiser now will have to fold unless he has you dominated. He jams for 81 more on the river. If you had raised him your committed to the pot. I like a raise or a fold here just calling is too passive I think.
I am a little confused with your analysis on this one, maybe you can clarify for me. V1 is oop and had action before me, with which he jammed on the turn. Were you just saying that it would be a good spot for me jam, had V1 checked?

The reason that I ended up folding was due to the really strong line this villain took on a dry board. I thought that at best I was chopping w/ another AK.

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Originally Posted by SamBJam
Hand 2 is tough. It's kinda a flip really. When he bets 100 into 120 you either need to fold or jam. Simply calling and checking is a losing play too many times. He is not laying you good odds so if your confident in your read you should jam if not you should fold but calling to just check the river unless you hit an A or 10 is not so good. If he bets river you are folding.
I think that you are probably right with the assessment that I need to either shove or fold ott. My thinking in the hand was that I could still find two hands that have a T in them, i.e. JT & T9, that perhaps would take similar lines. I coupled that with the belief that V was going to be checking the river back to me a large majority of the time.

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Again it's always easier to say these things when your not in the moment and under pressure. Seems like you are thinking through the hands well, this is just my 2 cents.

Good luck and keep grinding and posting.
I what you touch on here about being the moment is very salient to Hand 2 above. During the hand, I was thinking that villain is going to be checking the river back to me, and that this would give me enough cover to make a thin call ott. However, outside of the hand, almost definitive line would be to either jam or fold.

Your 2 cents is very much appreciated!

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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Value value value is all I can say. Value beats 1/2. FPS and bluffing does not. IE playing trappy with your value hands. GL!
You're so right! Early on this past month I had a much bigger problem with fps. I have been able to reign it in a little bit. I have been betting larger for value and in regard to charging draws. I remain baffled by the hands that villains will overplay and/or call down with, so I need to be going for the max, always. Sometimes that means value owning yourself, but that is a natural consequence that I think will be outweighed by the value realized.

Thanks for the reminder!
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02-01-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Value value value is all I can say. Value beats 1/2. FPS and bluffing does not. IE playing trappy with your value hands. GL!
+1000
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02-01-2017 , 07:07 PM
Hand 2. I miss read the action. I thought he bet the turn then jammed the river, but he bet 16 pre and 40 on the flop and jammed turn. That's probably a good fold like you said with his aggressive line oop.

And I agree with the statements above Value town. I too am amazed by some of the plays Villians are making. The call too often way too thin. But if it weren't for these guys we wouldn't make as much money.

Was reading parts of Super System 2 again and Mike Karo has some great ideas and theories about card players that still ring true today.

Most the rec players only have a short time to play and no matter how hard they try after about 30 mins the plan to "play good" goes out the window because they are bored and they start calling down sh it hands out of position and start verbally complaining about how unlucky they are and how they have run bad all night.

As players we should be incouraging this behavior. I am now saying many things to make that player feel good about his poor play in hopes he will continue to make more bad plays.
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02-01-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SamBJam
Hand 2. I miss read the action. I thought he bet the turn then jammed the river, but he bet 16 pre and 40 on the flop and jammed turn. That's probably a good fold like you said with his aggressive line oop.
Gotcha! That's kind of what I was thinking, but I wanted to make sure before commenting. I make the same mistake myself when reading hh's from time to time.

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Originally Posted by SamBJam
And I agree with the statements above Value town. I too am amazed by some of the plays Villians are making. The call too often way too thin. But if it weren't for these guys we wouldn't make as much money.

Was reading parts of Super System 2 again and Mike Karo has some great ideas and theories about card players that still ring true today.

Most the rec players only have a short time to play and no matter how hard they try after about 30 mins the plan to "play good" goes out the window because they are bored and they start calling down sh it hands out of position and start verbally complaining about how unlucky they are and how they have run bad all night.

As players we should be incouraging this behavior. I am now saying many things to make that player feel good about his poor play in hopes he will continue to make more bad plays.
Certainly some valuable insights. Thank you for sharing with myself and anyone checking out the thread.
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02-02-2017 , 12:20 AM
January 2017 Update


1. Not compromising on the amount of hours that I have set as my target goal. 1,100 hours

In order to hit my goal of 1,100 hours this year, I am going to have to play ~92 hours/month. In January, I played 64 hours and 10 min. Obviously I am short on hours for this month. I am still in the throes of caregiving, so that cut into my available hours, particularly at the start of the month. This weekend I am going to try and get the month off to a good start, and hopefully recoup some of the hours that I was short in January.

2. Maximizing the amount of study that I put into the game. I should be studying hand histories on 2+2 llsnl forums. I should be watching strategy videos. Additionally, I should be recording all of my interesting hh’s for 2+2 and similar analysis. 5 hours/week, 20 hours/month

I think that I have been doing an adequate, to slightly above average job, of recording my hand history’s for study itt. I need a more concerted effort in the way of posting in llsnl. I read some poker related material, i.e. Elements of Poker, which I mentioned itt.

3. I must limit my consumption of alcohol considerably.

Some good strides in this regard. Some setbacks. I can do better.

4. Find poker players to discuss hands, play, and strategy with.

I have found a couple of live players in the room that I have been playing with. I haven’t truly set up anything concrete though, so my efforts need to be better.

5. Make steps towards playing 2-5. Have a bankroll sufficient to 2-5 by the end of 2017. I will be starting with a $3k poker bankroll. Basically I will need a $10k poker bankroll to satisfy this goal. If I fall back down to $3k, I will rebuild back to $1ok and try it again.

Nope, no progress here.

6. Be a fun/enjoyable player at the poker table. I am not sure if there is a metric to assess satisfaction of this goal, I am just going to have to try and be really self aware.

I have done a good job in this area. This goal has probably seen the most progress of the bunch. However, I am not sure how much fruit this has born, if any.






[X] Monthly hours goal (was the goal met or not)
[64.10 ] Total hours towards yearly goal
[8] Total study hours for the month
[-$1,074] Profit/Loss



P.S.

I picked up $83 from a table mini bad beat promo.
I should pick up $265 for hours played promo/January
There is a potential to pick up $0-$1k from the monthly hours played promo
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02-03-2017 , 01:38 PM
11.


Time Played: 3:00
Results: +$326



The poker session

I kept this sessions short on purpose. The main reason for my trip to the casino was to collect my promotion money from January. I thought that I may as well get some quality, focused hours in. I doubled up on my third hand, and then picked off a bluff shortly after for a decent pot, and that was basically my profit for the night.

Like I said, my short session was by design. I realize that my goal is set at a total hours played mark, but I wanted to try and book a win to get things pointed back in the right direction. The mental grind can be just as daunting, if not more so, than the physicality of sitting at a poker table for hours on end after an hour drive, and staring at an hour drive back in the opposite direction.

A buddy of mine traveled to the casino with me. He is more of a blackjack, slots, whatever other form of gambler than I am. He wants to play poker for the first time in the casino, but he doesn’t want to sit in the game until he fully grasps all of the proper etiquette for playing. I know that I want to steer clear of pushing him to play, because I would hate for him to have a bad experience after my urging him to play, and then be turned off on the game. I say this, because I know that he would really enjoy playing poker live.


Hand History’s
Hand 1
(Really the only hand that I have to report)

This is the third hand that was mentioned above.
Hero, $200, no imagine other than that of a young person. Button, AK
V1, $200, young guy, have played with him before, he likes to play aggressively, utg
V2, $225, younger cowboy type, never played w/ him, but he showed down 73 in a hand and said that an old man once told him to always play 73. I asked if the old man had any rationale for that play, and he said no. go figure. Mp

V1 opens to $10, V2 calls, hero raises to $35. Both V’s call.
Pot: $105
Flop: 234r

Both v’s check to hero. There is some confusion at the table about a new player to the table, and he doesn’t speak great English and is trying to buy into the game for ~$3k. I eventually have to ask who the action is own, making me appear weak in the hand. Once things got settled down, it checks around.
Pot: $105
Turn: 3 (puts a fd on board)

V1 bets $45, V2 folds, hero quickly calls trying to deter a river bet.
Pot: $195
River: 5

V1 insta shoves, and I call pretty quickly. V1 shows K9 & mhig. I thought that if villain shows up with a 6 then so be it.


In other news

I collected $270 for the paid to play promo from January. I had a good time having my buddy travel with me to the casino. The drive time really feels shortened having someone to chat with. We grubbed on some wings at BWW’s post session.



This is a picture of the brew that I tried. Dan Patrick has been advertising this beer on his show for a few months and I thought that I would give it a try. It is a Lagunita’s Fandom Ale. This beer was a refreshing, lighter version of an Ale. The taste actually came off as more of an IPA flavor and body. The color also wasn’t indicative of an Ale. This is a great beer to drink along with some wings.
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02-05-2017 , 02:15 PM
12.


Time Played: 3:15
Result: +$307



The poker session

Yet another short session played. Another tidy profit picked up. The games have been good through the entirety of my run in 2017, save a couple of sessions. Last night’s game had many familiar faces, and I was pleased to see that their playing styles haven’t changed.

I actually rivered the nut straight about 15 min. Into the session. Now, that isn’t all that bizarre. Where the oddity comes into play is that an OMC that had raised from the bb, re-raises my river lead out, on a 45AQ8r, board. Like I said, I lead out for $45 into an ~$80 pot otr, and get raised to $110. I put the rest of my money in and get called. Now, when I get re-raised, I look at my hand 3 or 4 times before I put the rest of my money in, which is due to how I had been running over my last ~60 hours. I didn’t think that it was possible for me to be getting raised otr by omc, when I have the nuts, and he will never be showing up with the same hand. After I realized that I wasn’t seeing things, I scooped a full double up early in this session.

The rest of the session was pretty mundane. The play is absolutely shocking at times. As has been stated by many posters itt, getting fat value is the key to beating llsnl. I have been doing a much better job in my past three sessions, at simply staying patient, making a big hand, and then putting in big bets. I do believe that my physical appearance tends to make villains think that I am an aggro bluffing machine, and I get some pretty loose calls based on such. I constantly try to remind myself of this, and don’t want to waste this image while I have it.



Hand history’s


No real HH’s to report. I put perhaps the most interesting HH above, but there were no real spots where I had to deeply question my lines.



In other news


I met up with a buddy and his gf after my session for a couple of brews. Surprisingly, a couple of the casino bars have some very good rotating taps. Both my compadre and I had a couple of these delights:



Apologies for the lack of a picture of my own, but the lighting was too low to get anything of quality. The color of this beer is beautiful. While this beer is labeled as an American Amber/Red Ale, it drinks more like an IPA, which the color wouldn’t suggest. The IBU’s won’t blow out your senses if one happens to steer clear of IPA’s for such a reason. I picked up some notes of raspberry, and after reading some comments of a barleywine finish, I settled on that being the intended direction of this beer. This would be a near perfect beer to pair with cheesy foods, like pizza, cheeseburger, even something like a chicken/eggplant parmigiana. So I would say that this beer has a lot of range as it pertains to the palate.


“An investment in knowledge pays the best interest” --- Benjamin Franklin
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02-05-2017 , 08:40 PM
Glad to see your on an upswing. Isn't nice to book a win when you don't have to play 10 or 12 hrs. Lol.
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02-06-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Glad to see your on an upswing. Isn't nice to book a win when you don't have to play 10 or 12 hrs. Lol.
It really is! Sometimes I go in with the idea that I want to play some long hours, but more often than not I want to book a profit and go do something else. I have a pretty short attention span.

Check out your PM's.
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