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Old 01-03-2017, 05:07 PM   #126
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Re: Kiranov's micros challenge - from NL2 to NL100

hey kiranov!

you have a new follower. also gave your YT channel a hit.
keep on grinding and the best of luck.

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btw i forgot to answer about my BRM, its the same as yours basically, but i dont move up to NL10 right now. ill take my time.
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:36 AM   #127
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How do you decide which opponents to bluff? Or is it more a combination of board textures and what likely hands they could have vs your potential range.

Are there any particular stats you look for in a player to know when they will fold to aggression and outright bluffs??
Well, the only problem with stats is that every situation is different and particular in a certain way.
Especially for the river it's almost impossible to collect a decent sample on a certain player, so I usually make a lot of assumptions on how a certain kind of villain is probably playing.

As an example, I noticed that the average micro-stakes regular is folding way too much to turn and river aggression, so even if I don't have such specific info on a player I make the assumption that he is playing as that way. If I'm proven wrong, I take a note which will be more valuable than any stat can be and adjust in the future

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Old 01-10-2017, 05:36 AM   #128
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Hello everybody! I hit 3k bankroll with this morning's session!

Will update later today with all graphs, stats and conclusions
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:31 AM   #129
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Hello everybody! I hit 3k bankroll with this morning's session!

Will update later today with all graphs, stats and conclusions
Great work!

Kiranov do you know if your playing against italian only players? Have you noticed whilst at the tables (just curious which sites are closed versions of pokerstars to overseas).
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Old 01-10-2017, 12:23 PM   #130
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Great work!

Kiranov do you know if your playing against italian only players? Have you noticed whilst at the tables (just curious which sites are closed versions of pokerstars to overseas).
Hello!

Yes, as said at the beginning of the thread I was playing on pokerstars.it and all villains were Italians. Italy is a closed market as for France and Portugal, so playing on pokersars.com from these countries is illegal
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:15 PM   #131
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Re: Kiranov's micros challenge - from NL2 to NL100

So, as said before I finally ended my challenge!

My goal was to turn a 100 bankroll into a 3.000 bankroll of pure profit starting from NL2 and finishing at NL50.

Let's start with the overall graph and winnings:







Hands played: 102.500
Ev bb/100: 14,69
Time Played: 153h 23min
/h (w/o RB): 18,93/h

Now, let's split my "adventure" in few parts.

The beginning: Smashing NL2&NL5 zoom



Hands played: 19.756
Ev bb/100: 26,01
Time Played: 27h 40min
/h (w/o RB): 7,57/h

This was a big incognita, since I never played those stakes directly and wasn't completely sure what to expect. I would say things got much better than I thought from the very beginning and I was very surprised to see that it's possible to keep a great red line in such field. I will definitely stop accepting the excuse "yeah, but my villains are so bad!" when some student of mine speaks about his red line

I would say the most important thing here is to adjust to villain's passiveness. I was thin value betting all day long (much more than I was normally doing at my stakes) and that's what helped my red line I guess.

I'm pretty happy because I think playing at these stakes vs this kind of opponents helped me a lot to view things from another perspective even at higher limits and I think it added something to my overall game. Now I see value in a lot of un-expected places.

Here the stats I kept at NL2 and NL5 zoom:



So pretty much hammered the field! As you can see a lot of them would be considered leaks and exploitable but... it simply didn't happen so I could keep exploiting without the fear of being exploited.

Good bye blue line: NL10 zoom



Hands played: 28.273
Ev bb/100: 14,72
Time Played: 36h 02min
/h (w/o RB): 12,56/h

At this stake I really started bluffing with some consistency in addition to thin value bets, and you can see it from the blue line drop

The field was anyway pretty soft, so didn't have many troubles. I had a lot of fun and I'm very happy about the game I expressed

Here the stats I kept:



Pretty similar to the previous ones, just a bit more aggressive on the river. Called less 3bets, I really have no idea why since I expected the opposite vs more aggressive 3bettors.

A bit of turbolence @NL25 zoom



Hands played: 38.121
Ev bb/100: 8,2
Time Played: 50h 45min
/h (w/o RB): 14,88/h

The beginning was a bit tough here, but even if I had some minor downswing I limited the damage.

Not super happy about how I played cause I found myself playing B or C game a bit too often.

The regulars weren't that bad here, but they had a lot of leaks that I didn't exploit as much as I should have.

Here are my stats for the stake:



Main adjustments I made to the field were 3betting more and decreasing a bit the aggression. That's because I had more aggressive opponents and I let them bluff more often I guess.

Do not like at all my 4bet range, I expected it to grow from NL10 to NL25, while for the fold to 4bet is super high. But I don't care much for the latter one since villains weren't 4betting a lot at all. As usual, it's a leak just if it's getting exploited

Transition to normal: is it the real life? NL50!



Hands played: 14.486
Ev bb/100: 18,32
Time Played: 34h 18min
/h (w/o RB): 40,85/h

Since my stop loss was pretty small and looking at how swingy NL25 zoom was, I chose to start the new stake at normals.

Here things got a bit weird since I found a field which was pretty ridiculous on average. If you table select a bit, the difference between Zoom and normals in terms of potential bb/100 is enormous.

IMHO the bb/100 win rate at 50 normals with selection can be higher or very similar to the one at NL10 zoom. I'm not saying it cause of my actual results (15k hands is completely nothing to judge a win rate) but cause of the feeling I had at the tables.

My blue line showed that too: it started increasing again and that wasn't happening since NL5.

I was tabling very few (4-6 tables) which allowed me to table select a lot and playing at A-game most of the time, not hard since I had rarely more than 1h straight to play (cause of coaching sessions with my students).

Here the stats:



A lot different from what I had in the previous stakes, but even the field was. Regs here were 3betting a lot more, so that is the reason of my higher 4bet range.

Conclusions:
I'm super satisfied with my challenge. It took a lot less than expected and I have the feeling my overall game improved by playing with fields I'm not used to.

I have to admit I was very lucky with the downswings: had very few but most importantly I never had one at the beginning of a level up. That would have slowed down the things a lot.

I moved back on stars after few years in another poker room and I have to say I found a much weaker field than when I left (I changed room before VIP system revolution and before they introduced casino & betting).

What's next?
I will keep playing on stars at NL100. My original plan was to play zoom, but after I tried normal I have to say the field is simply too juicy not to stay there.

I will try to (finally) end my poker courses and keep the coaching going. In the meantime I will keep my youtube channel active with new videos uploaded regularly.

I may try a new challenge in the near future, probably starting again from where I left this one and doing something like from 3k to 30k BR challenge (NL100-NL1K). We'll see

In the meantime, thanks a lot to everybody who followed me! I will keep an eye on this thread, so if you have any kind of question (or you want to see some more specific stat), just ask!
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Old 01-10-2017, 09:52 PM   #132
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Congrats Kiranov. i guess pokerstars.it it's a very soft field

Nice one mate. keep up the good work
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Old 01-11-2017, 01:56 AM   #133
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Sick. Ev 8bb/100 at 25z, "bit of turbulence" fk you.
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:41 AM   #134
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Sick. Ev 8bb/100 at 25z, "bit of turbulence" fk you.
Just a little bit!
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:30 AM   #135
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is 70% cbet standard? mine is much lower so it could be a big weak of mine...
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Old 01-11-2017, 07:39 AM   #136
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is 70% cbet standard? mine is much lower so it could be a big weak of mine...
Not at all, a 70% cbet is considered to be a huge leak from a theoretical perspective. But my cbet success was 45%, which means that nobody cared, at least nobody I was targeting. IMHO you should cbet much more than the standards at the micros.

It's only important to adjust vs those thinking villains who are looking at that and trying to exploit it. My cbet looked like 70% on their HUD, but vs them I was cbetting 50% or even less.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:21 AM   #137
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haha my redline at nl2 is -11bb/100.

I think my bet sizing is totally screwed up. Im pretty much just betting 2/3rd pot all the time on flop and around half pot on turn, I see you cbet quite small and bet even 25% pot sometimes why?

very interesting though.

can you give some examples of thin value betting at these micro stakes. Im not sure how think you mean. I feel like every time I river bet I will only be called by at least top pair, like I said could be bet sizing wrong or picking wrong opponents.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:48 AM   #138
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haha my redline at nl2 is -11bb/100.

I think my bet sizing is totally screwed up. Im pretty much just betting 2/3rd pot all the time on flop and around half pot on turn, I see you cbet quite small and bet even 25% pot sometimes why?

very interesting though.

can you give some examples of thin value betting at these micro stakes. Im not sure how think you mean. I feel like every time I river bet I will only be called by at least top pair, like I said could be bet sizing wrong or picking wrong opponents.
Yeah, I think especially vs weak players you should vary your bet size a lot, depending on what you want to achieve.

Here a thin vbet example at NL2 zoom

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37575894

    BTN: $1.54 (77 bb)
    SB: $2.04 (102 bb)
    Hero (BB): $2.02 (101 bb)
    UTG: $2.46 (123 bb)
    MP: $1.19 (59.5 bb)
    CO: $2.87 (143.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 5
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.05) 6 2 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.04, MP calls $0.04

    Turn: ($0.13) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08

    River: ($0.29) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.14, MP folds

    Spoiler:



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    Villain is obviously a fish, even if I have 0 info on the guy (no full stack, limps)

    I lead out the flop for value, since there are many draws I bet even big. Imagine all the kind of hands worse than a top pair that this guy is probably calling me.

    The turn is not super awesome since some stuff of his range got there, BUT his calling range on the turn is even wider. He is never folding pair + draw here, and he has a lot of those in the range. Bet size is sort of standard.

    The river is an Ace, which is a fake scare card. If I bet big, he is obviously folding any worse pair than a 9, so I choose to bet less than half the pot hoping that he makes a mistake and call with 78, 6x or hands like those. I don't expect these people to turn into bluff some kind of low value, so if he raises I simply fold and move on.

    If he calls and has a better 9 or a random Ace gg. Thin value bets lose time to time when called and that's part of the plan

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    Old 01-11-2017, 10:57 AM   #139
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    gg wp, amazing results. Would you say your red line is more due to thin vbets or just being really aggro and picking up lots of pots? Or a combination of both to a similar extent?
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    Old 01-11-2017, 11:54 AM   #140
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    Sick. Ev 8bb/100 at 25z, "bit of turbulence" fk you.
    its pokerstars.it

    .it sites are the closest thing to bovada outside usa
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    Old 01-11-2017, 12:31 PM   #141
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    gg wp, amazing results. Would you say your red line is more due to thin vbets or just being really aggro and picking up lots of pots? Or a combination of both to a similar extent?
    I would say a combination of those. Probably at the lower stakes more thin bets while NL10z-NL25z a balanced mixture
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    Old 01-11-2017, 01:52 PM   #142
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    Congrats Kiranov! Your playstyle and results are really amazing. I will be looking forward to your new videos and I hope you do the 30k challenge soon. Big fan
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    Old 01-12-2017, 01:32 PM   #143
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    Hey Kiranov,

    Congrats on completing the challenge, was cool following your progress as you smashed everything!

    Been watching your youtube vids aswell and finding the hand history vids inspiring in terms of your multi street aggression and ability to pick out capped ranges so well.

    I was wondering if you could share your positional stats for 10&25NL?

    Im currently struggling with 10NL and you never know, it may show me a few areas im going wrong

    Cheers & GL!
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    Old 01-12-2017, 06:10 PM   #144
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    Congrats Kiranov! Your playstyle and results are really amazing. I will be looking forward to your new videos and I hope you do the 30k challenge soon. Big fan
    Thanks!

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    Hey Kiranov,

    Congrats on completing the challenge, was cool following your progress as you smashed everything!

    Been watching your youtube vids aswell and finding the hand history vids inspiring in terms of your multi street aggression and ability to pick out capped ranges so well.

    I was wondering if you could share your positional stats for 10&25NL?

    Im currently struggling with 10NL and you never know, it may show me a few areas im going wrong

    Cheers & GL!
    Sure I can!



    But keep in mind that there is no such thing as "good stat" to keep. It depends from the field you are playing and your skill set!

    As a quick example, fold to 3bet 69% from the BTN it's super exploitable. But I'm aware of that and if I kept it, it's because I didn't have the feeling that my villains were exploiting that.

    Build un-exploitable ranges off the table, but when you play see when it's better to deviate from them and adjust to villain
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    Old 01-13-2017, 06:00 AM   #145
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    Thanks Kiranov!
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    Old 08-22-2017, 10:25 AM   #146
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    Hey Kiranov, how is it going?

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    I may try a new challenge in the near future, probably starting again from where I left this one and doing something like from 3k to 30k BR challenge (NL100-NL1K). We'll see
    This challenge is coming up soon by any chance ?

    Cheers
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    Old 08-22-2017, 02:37 PM   #147
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    Hey Kiranov, how is it going?

    This challenge is coming up soon by any chance ?

    Cheers
    Hello! It's going very well!

    I just moved to Germany and I'm figuring out if I'm allowed or not to play .eu as an Italian!

    I still plan to do the challenge, but I think I'll have the time to do it at the end of this year/beginning of the next
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    Old 09-18-2019, 07:36 AM   #148
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    Hi, where can i find your course?
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