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Old 03-17-2019, 11:59 AM   #6401
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Re: Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker

Facepalm at streaming without delay. Gotta be more careful man.
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Old 03-17-2019, 01:59 PM   #6402
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If you stream with no delay I will come take your money.

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Old 03-17-2019, 02:50 PM   #6403
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lol

OK guys, I won't do that anymore. Again my logic was that if I didn't use the poker category, then 99% of people who found it would be either my twitch followers or people who reg the thread, both of whom I assumed would be on my side. I got it now though, BIG MISTAKE

FWIW I've watched multiple people stream with no delay that I found through the front page in the Poker category on twitch, although none of them on anonymous tables and they play higher (e.g., $10/20 on Global where you recognize pretty much all of your opponents).

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Old 03-17-2019, 04:36 PM   #6404
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btw the live PLO guide is a bit dated. People don't really give up 3 streets with low flushes in 4 way pots like they used to (at least not in my experience), so the hand requirement is a bit too loose now
Yeah, maybe they don't, I'm a newb, idk. But I sure seem to be the tightest at the table every time. Of course.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:49 PM   #6405
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Oh well it depends on the game, of course- like if you're playing most hands that can make a NFD or a set of Jacks or higher and you're still the tightest at the table, then chances are you will get those 3 streets in those games so you can keep following it. That's a good game
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:03 PM   #6406
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I think for live PLO especially it depends on how long it's been running in a certain place, and if it's not seasoned/traffic hub like LA, all the regulars** have their own groupthink of how the game should be played. I definitely have played live in some places recently where everyone's play is more outdated than the guide, but even in the LA 1/3 game now at Commerce you would rarely be the tightest player at the table following that guide, unfortunately.

**btw it's interesting how our definition of a "reg" is no longer synonymous with "regular". The former we tend to use to indicate a serious, winning player, the latter which I would define as someone who regularly shows up to play the game multiple times per week, most of whom are recreational losing players (until you hit stakes higher than I've played).

Kind of interesting to think about, it isn't surprising given that this mindset of "oh that person does XYZ every day, he must be good" is still common in a lot of other things where it's clearly not true. Just imagining how many people have fallen victim to an old veteran's heartfelt advice about raising 10BB's with JJ is hilarious
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Old 03-18-2019, 04:15 PM   #6407
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questionably ambitious hand from stream. would have worked if BTN wasn't sniping me

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: 207.77 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 155.51 BB (VPIP: 96.15, PFR: 46.15, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 26)
Hero (SB): 107.9 BB
BB: 51.94 BB (VPIP: 96.30, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 9 K 7

fold, CO raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, CO calls 11.5 BB, BTN calls 11.5 BB

Flop: (46 BB, 3 players) T A K
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (46 BB, 3 players) T
Hero bets 13.21 BB, CO calls 13.21 BB, BTN calls 13.21 BB

River: (85.62 BB, 3 players) 4
Hero bets 79.7 BB and is all-in, fold, BTN calls 79.7 BB

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Old 03-19-2019, 06:45 AM   #6408
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Wasn't sure here. Playability on later streets seems poor after calling flop raise, we have some non-trivial equity vs. his GII range, and we do have some fold equity in this spot. Problem is we're pretty deep (spr 13)

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: 244.22 BB (VPIP: 28.81, PFR: 18.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
BB: 171.04 BB (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
UTG: 40.75 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 52)
MP: 125.71 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 63)
CO: 81.48 BB (VPIP: 31.67, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
Hero (BTN): 101.67 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) BB has 8 7 A Q

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A 4 K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 6 9 J
BB checks, Hero bets 5.09 BB, BB raises to 18 BB, Hero raises to 61.5 BB, BB calls 43.5 BB

Turn: (130.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 36.67 BB and is all-in, BB calls 36.67 BB

River: (203.83 BB, 2 players) 4

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Interesting triple barrel sizing from villain, wasn't sure what to make of this one but ah well didn't feel like I can fold this

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 310.07 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 53.39 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 93.01 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 104.53 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
Hero (UTG): 195.81 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8 Q A

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, MP raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 3 6 6
Hero checks, MP bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (55.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, MP bets 27.75 BB, Hero calls 27.75 BB

River: (111 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP bets 80 BB, Hero calls 80 BB

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Old 03-19-2019, 08:30 AM   #6409
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First hand seems spewy. I donít think villains bluff that type of board much with so many straight draws and even when youíre tptk is ďaheadĒ itís rarely better than a flop against the hands heís stacking off with.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:48 PM   #6410
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Poker is tough in 2019, especially if you're the one not making as much effort and are not motivated as much as any of your opponents.

My advice to you would be give up or get with it. You need to be hungry to achieve any kind of notable success in poker unless you've just ran hot and binked some tournament.

Spend some time and have a hard think about what you want for yourself. Sounds like your previous job was a much better gig for you.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:23 PM   #6411
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First hand seems spewy. I donít think villains bluff that type of board much with so many straight draws and even when youíre tptk is ďaheadĒ itís rarely better than a flop against the hands heís stacking off with.
Well it's a semibluff, definitely at the very bottom of hands I would 3-bet here and I never expect to be ahead if they continue. Not sure if it's TOO weak though.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:44 PM   #6412
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Poker is tough in 2019, especially if you're the one not making as much effort and are not motivated as much as any of your opponents.
Tough is relative. Yeah rake is a thing but most players at my level are recreational (of course not the case when you move up), so if someone with poker as his main focus and thousands of hours of experience/studying can't beat it, /shrug

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My advice to you would be give up or get with it. You need to be hungry to achieve any kind of notable success in poker unless you've just ran hot and binked some tournament.
I haven't played a ton recently since I just moved to a new apartment/location with literally nothing at all. Been spending a ton of time shopping, as well as investing time in my social life (went to a volleyball meetup with SABR42 this weekend, which was a ton of fun). But don't worry I'll make you proud PartyScout

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Spend some time and have a hard think about what you want for yourself. Sounds like your previous job was a much better gig for you.
Ya I agree previous job was better for me which is why I literally just reapplied to it

Poker is just the lowest variance option (funny how that works). I took 3-4 months recently completely dedicated to achieving mastery in applying to specific gaming jobs, and while obviously any time spent you learn something, I gained no money from it. So perhaps once I feel a bit back on my feet I'll look to spend more time exploring other options.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:48 PM   #6413
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Well it's a semibluff, definitely at the very bottom of hands I would 3-bet here and I never expect to be ahead if they continue. Not sure if it's TOO weak though.

I donít think people raise this board with the intention of folding with enough frequency to make a 3b profitable.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:51 PM   #6414
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I haven't played a ton recently since I just moved to a new apartment/location with literally nothing at all. Been spending a ton of time shopping, as well as investing time in my social life (went to a volleyball meetup with SABR42 this weekend, which was a ton of fun). But don't worry I'll make you proud PartyScout
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You probably already mentioned earlier in the thread but where are you living? Volleyball is a ton of fun and meetup groups are a cool way to both find people to play sports with and as a social exercise.
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:04 PM   #6415
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I'm living in east LA
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Old 03-20-2019, 07:19 AM   #6416
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Think I should just be betting flop here, and also folding this river with no blockers- was underestimating how often both of us have 87 here (and SB can have too)

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 96.5 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 32)
Hero (CO): 115.72 BB
BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 194.42 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 40)
BB: 276.18 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 A K 4

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) T A 9
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (10.5 BB, 3 players) 5
SB checks, BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

River: (40.5 BB, 3 players) 6
SB checks, BB bets 30.5 BB, Hero calls 30.5 BB, fold

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A rec was BM'ing me with some emotes after this first hand, I got him back in the next two. all of these happened within a couple orbits

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 80.39 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 44)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 80.95, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 21)
Hero (SB): 146.68 BB
BB: 170.75 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 13.37, 3Bet Preflop: 6.85, Hands: 172)
UTG: 293.2 BB (VPIP: 60.78, PFR: 31.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 51)
MP: 30.28 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 K K Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (10 BB, 5 players) 4 6 A
Hero bets 6.57 BB, BB calls 6.57 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 21.2 BB, Hero calls 14.63 BB, BB calls 14.63 BB

Turn: (73.59 BB, 3 players) Q
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

River: (73.59 BB, 3 players) T
Hero bets 73.59 BB, fold, BTN calls 73.59 BB

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Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 96.19 BB (VPIP: 77.08, PFR: 45.83, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 48)
BB: 217.26 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 25)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 161.41 BB (VPIP: 26.14, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 7.79, Hands: 176)
CO: 268.9 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 30.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 55)
BTN: 22.28 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A K 7

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 4 players) 7 3 T
SB bets 7 BB, BB raises to 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB, fold, SB calls 7 BB

Turn: (56 BB, 3 players) T
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 31 BB, fold, BB raises to 149 BB, Hero calls 51.5 BB and is all-in

River: (221 BB, 2 players) 9

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Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 42.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 52)
UTG: 215.78 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (MP): 163.17 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.62, PFR: 13.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 181)
BTN: 329.47 BB (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 28.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 60)
SB: 30 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 A K T

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) K 4 9
UTG checks, Hero bets 9.52 BB, fold, UTG calls 9.52 BB

Turn: (34.04 BB, 2 players) 3
UTG checks, Hero bets 28.09 BB, UTG calls 28.09 BB

River: (90.21 BB, 2 players) 4
UTG checks, Hero bets 21.52 BB, UTG calls 21.52 BB

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Old 03-20-2019, 07:59 AM   #6417
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Agree that first hand is questionable on flop and river but also not terribly out of line either. River is a super snap call if in a hu pot think itís really close three ways
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Second hand I think if you want to use your nfb against a typical bovada small stakes opponent you should just 3b flop
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Ignition looks soft as ***. Put in a bit more time studying and it looks like you could run it up very easily.
Best of luck mate
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Oh nice I get a shoutout! Yay!

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Yeah, just know your weakness, and I think this is in the same vein as tighter BRM when doing poorly too.

I can't in good consciousness buy into that "we have everything we need to be happy" stuff. We have very objective physical and neurological limitations. You can't tell me a starving person or someone with a serotonin deficiency or other issues is going to be objectively as capable of achieving happiness as someone who doesn't have those issues.

That said I do think we all have the ability to be happier than we are, and often material change is not the only or the best way. I'd just preach moderation, and not act like will power is the only thing. Some people don't have that will power, and that's... that's fine? We all have different brains. Just do what one must with what we have.

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Cool stuff. I'd be interested in doing that for my old blog too hmm. Would love to laugh at it. Also which was the year you met me? Was that the start of your downswing? WAS IT MY FAULT??

It does strike me that you overestimate happiness a lot; perhaps your optimism sometimes lets you down; you keep saying you're top x% of happiness all the time and you talk like it too, but as a friend I say that you don't seem that way. Like, I think you focus so much on the good things and so little on the bad things, you seem happier than you think, and because other people have more outlets for expressing anxiety and sadness, they seem more sad to you than they are, so you think yourself as happier than reality.

Like in some ways, especially superficial ones, you're way more positive than most of my friends, but for quite a while, like, you recall me recommending a therapist quite a bit earlier than even when you started saying that you're quite depressed, and it's not omniscience or anything on my part (in fact M had noticed this also despite not knowing you super well). I think you're just used to using a specific set of cues for figuring out happiness vs sadness, but that doesn't always apply, especially for someone who's gotten very used to bending the rules around it and forces (it seems like) happiness on oneself.

I wonder if it seems weird to you that I indulge in sad thoughts and negativity so much, and I do do it too much, but sometimes being sad can be very therapeutic and let you become happier in the long run.

I might be over theorising at this point, but I wonder if this long-term unsustainable way of approaching mental health and personal wellbeing/happiness, the lack of outlet for negativity, is the cause of this mental downswing, because as you can see, despite some poker run bad, there's no shortage of good stuff happening during this period too. And like, there's some rough stuff in there, but there was also some rough stuff in the earlier years where you had felt better about poker, but that stuff didn't cause you to careen off.

If you stream with no delay, do it with blocked cards. Get streamlabs, it's easy to set up stuff, I'll show you how a pro fessional does it

I'll get to the HHs in a bit, gotta eat~
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:28 PM   #6422
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Ignition looks soft as ***. Put in a bit more time studying and it looks like you could run it up very easily.
Best of luck mate
I haven't yet but I'm starting to get around to studying your thread :P
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Cool stuff. I'd be interested in doing that for my old blog too hmm. Would love to laugh at it. Also which was the year you met me? Was that the start of your downswing? WAS IT MY FAULT??
I think it was my 3rd WSOP (2014), so we've known each other now for awhile now :P

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It does strike me that you overestimate happiness a lot; perhaps your optimism sometimes lets you down; you keep saying you're top x% of happiness all the time and you talk like it too, but as a friend I say that you don't seem that way. Like, I think you focus so much on the good things and so little on the bad things, you seem happier than you think, and because other people have more outlets for expressing anxiety and sadness, they seem more sad to you than they are, so you think yourself as happier than reality.

Like in some ways, especially superficial ones, you're way more positive than most of my friends, but for quite a while, like, you recall me recommending a therapist quite a bit earlier than even when you started saying that you're quite depressed, and it's not omniscience or anything on my part (in fact M had noticed this also despite not knowing you super well). I think you're just used to using a specific set of cues for figuring out happiness vs sadness, but that doesn't always apply, especially for someone who's gotten very used to bending the rules around it and forces (it seems like) happiness on oneself.

I wonder if it seems weird to you that I indulge in sad thoughts and negativity so much, and I do do it too much, but sometimes being sad can be very therapeutic and let you become happier in the long run.

I might be over theorising at this point, but I wonder if this long-term unsustainable way of approaching mental health and personal wellbeing/happiness, the lack of outlet for negativity, is the cause of this mental downswing, because as you can see, despite some poker run bad, there's no shortage of good stuff happening during this period too. And like, there's some rough stuff in there, but there was also some rough stuff in the earlier years where you had felt better about poker, but that stuff didn't cause you to careen off.
Nah I agree with a lot of this stuff. I think it's really hard to evaluate how people are feeling, I'm simply judging based off of my observations which obviously could be wrong. Regarding M, I'm pretty sure they visited in the summer 2017 which was pretty close to the peak of my depression and I was already writing about it on a daily basis then- perhaps I didn't feel comfortable sharing it in person with them, nor did I feel comfortable sharing to this thread, but for example I talked a lot to F about it in fall 2017.
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Agree that first hand is questionable on flop and river but also not terribly out of line either. River is a super snap call if in a hu pot think it’s really close three ways
Yeah looking back on it, honestly I feel much better than I did yesterday. I'm making an effort to rely more on instinct for a bit rather than my understanding of solver frequencies, and with that, are going to come some failed river hero calls. It's possible this will be a costly experiment that I will revert, but it's something I believe is necessary for growth.

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Second hand I think if you want to use your nfb against a typical bovada small stakes opponent you should just 3b flop
3b flop is more standard but there are more sets in all three players ranges (e.g., I can have nut blocker + set, he might have flush + set, BB can call with AA if he flatted pre). Another possible option is to not VPIP'ing this hand postflop 5 ways at all. Not sure I have a low sample size but I believe this line should be profitable.
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