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Old 03-21-2012, 02:17 PM   #26
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:31 PM   #27
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I think he was referring to himself
his fold is generally correct there. depends on what type of old guy villain is.

some old guys will raise AJ+ here to "see where they are at", most old regs will have A2s, A6s, 22, 66 only.

I think the KK on the 1074 flop is a fold as well.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:58 PM   #28
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his fold is generally correct there. depends on what type of old guy villain is.

some old guys will raise AJ+ here to "see where they are at", most old regs will have A2s, A6s, 22, 66 only.

I think the KK on the 1074 flop is a fold as well.
so if i have position on you then it's...you bet, i raise, you fold...easy game.
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:04 PM   #29
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Thread could be great. GL op.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:39 PM   #30
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Re: Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker

I appreciate all the comments. Like I said unless I want to spend the rest of my life doing something I don't want for the majority of my waking hours, I have to quit sometime. Now seems great! Also, I'm not a hookers and blow kind of a guy, so wtf do I need all that money for anyway.

@crsseyed, A couple years ago, I did OK online but not great. I tend to be on the cautious side too. I definitely still have a lot to learn!

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so if i have position on you then it's...you bet, i raise, you fold...easy game.
@Fordham: I wasn't referring to myself in that comment, sorry if that was unclear (although I suspect you are just trolling). @mushtart, If you're an old guy and this is the first hand we've been in, maybe yea. Not sure about "total unknown old guy". Here, I've been playing with this guy for a couple hours who has never raised like ever. If you are an average 2+2 guy and we've been playing for any amount of time at all I doubt you get me to fold here often.

I'm actually wrapping up unfinished projects at work so I'll be here a few more days, planning to play my next session this weekend though and will definitely write about it.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:48 PM   #31
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Now that I've had some time to think, I also want to try to answer my own questions from last post. However like I said I still have alot to learn and I don't really know what the best answers are =(

QFR 1: We want folds with AQ. Closer decision with JJ/AK maybe QQ, with KK/AA seems clear we want calls.

QFR 2: Flop bet seems fine (lots of players were chasing a straight flush promotion like no tomorrow, so maybe get calls from stuff like 89s or 78s), turn I am still unsure. While I think a pair/gutshot combo draw would call, maybe pot control is superior. I guess I will say it can go either way =P

QFR 3: Still have no idea. that's what I get for having ****ty reads, will fix this in the future.

QFR 4: Hmmm, not sure! Since I had a fairly tight image I think shove here is better representing a big pocket pair. Also my table tended to be pretty scared money overall so I think a shove may fold out stuff as strong as AJ, even though that sounds crazy to me.

QFR 5: Don't play tired.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:19 AM   #32
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Awesome blog mate. It must feel like ur living in a dream land.

Good Luck. I sincerely hope this works for you.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:00 AM   #33
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this is goina be interesting.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:07 AM   #34
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Interesting thread. Subscribed, and good luck OP.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:28 AM   #35
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so if i have position on you then it's...you bet, i raise, you fold...easy game.
the difference is that good players will adjust their game, but in a playing vacuum (obv we have reads that hes old) we play differently. old men = nits, check min raise is just so ridic strong by them. it's not the same when they do it over and over again, or if they look like an aggressive/thinking player, etc. very few good old players who actually take advantage of their instantly perceived passive image and manage to look convincing tho
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:16 AM   #36
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Re: Just quit my 6 figure job to play live poker

OP, turn bet with QJ is good. If your raised its easy and you dont wanna see a river 4 ways with all the draws out there.

This looks like it will be a very interesting thread, BoL
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:37 PM   #37
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great thread. Best of luck OP.

Not to say the guys saying it was a bad idea don't have any merit, but you have surely thought about the consequences. You said yourself you don't need a lot of money to be happy, and you are young (if not now..likely never). it is a pretty easy decision imo but most people don't have the balls to make it.

I turned down 100k+ job out of college to pursue professional golf so I understand the complexities of your decision. Mine was pretty easy. Seems like yours was too.

Congrats and again best of luck.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:14 PM   #38
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I am very jealous (of your job and freedom) -- make sure you apply your newly acquired free time to other things too, stay balanced and GL!!
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:50 PM   #39
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Hey man, interesting. Thanks for sharing.

If a person thinks poker is fun, gets excited playing, the the risk can pay off in many ways.

I'm battling a similar situation, giving up other decent money making opportunities, to invest the most time in poker playing.

Take care.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:39 PM   #40
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Gl man, takes balls to do what you're doing. Best advice I can offer is to just be a complete f'n nit until you feel you've adapted to live low stakes. People play so horribly you can literally only play AQ+/10's+ and make consistent money. You'll know when you can start profitably playing a wider range of hands...it will feel comfortable to you. I just hit 500 hours of live cash play and I've got that feeling of comfort and control at the table. Just wait till you sit down at the table and it feels like home/you're the boss, thats when you can start making some good money. I'll be following this thread!
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:42 PM   #41
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his fold is generally correct there. depends on what type of old guy villain is.

some old guys will raise AJ+ here to "see where they are at", most old regs will have A2s, A6s, 22, 66 only.

I think the KK on the 1074 flop is a fold as well.
Seriously if this is the way live players think wtf am i doing playing online.
Your title op should be "Just quit my 6 figure job to make 7 figures playing live poker"
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Old 03-24-2012, 02:37 AM   #42
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Just got done playing 2nd session, same place. Great success! Ran very hot, up $730 in 6 hours. Still having fun at the tables, I like people, people like me (hah, I would hope I'm not getting bored on the 2nd day!).

Funny hand: I have AQo on the button, EVERYONE limps (lol), this guy shoves 300 BB from the CO. I obviously fold and he shows AA. He said just really, really would rather have the ~$18 rather than risk having to play Aces multiway. I showed him my hand and said it probably would have gotten HU between us if he did a standard raise, and he responds with "I regret nothing". Yea yea don't tap the glass etc., but I'm not too worried here.

Hand 1: I had a questionable turn bet against this guy where I had As7s in position on an AQTss board. I bet flop, bet blank turn, call his min-checkraise. I fold blank river when he leads. I was wondering turn should be a check behind since I don't want to fold out weaker flushes and don't think I get value out of worse hands, though it would suck to lose to like J9 on the river. I suppose I will make a list of questions that I do not know the answers to and I encourage the readers to take a shot at, but I will also try to answer them myself after some days of thinking. Q1: Check behind As7s on AQTx two spades on turn or bet?

Hand 2: I had another hand against him where I flatted his preflop raise with 77 in position, flop is J73 with two spades, he cbets $16 into $34 pot and 2 people, I flat, other guy folds. turn is Q, he bets $15 into $66, I raise to $75 and he calls. River blank, he checks and I bet $150 into $200 and he folds. I really had a lot of trouble deciding river bet sizing throughout the session, I felt like maybe he would have called if I bet $100 instead. Another example below:

Hand 3: Versus an average reg passive and somewhat tight guy, I raise AK (flop probably like 3 or 4 players, can't remember), board is mega dry. K835Tr or something like that. I bet about 75%, 75%, then 50% on flop/turn/river respectively and he called every street, I won the hand. Q2: Bet sizing! What can be improved?

~~~

Anyway, most of my profit was from this one 50-ish guy who was 2 seats to my left and probably the next best player at the table, which TBH isn't saying much. I guess he's probably a small winner at this room. However I felt he definitely went out of his way to play hands with me as much as possible, can't really say why- my best guess is that he viewed me as a maniac young kid who was going to go broke soon, but it's also possible he just wanted to have fun and didn't care about money. Anyway I don't think he was particularly good at all, but he was less bad then everyone else so I actually disliked him in my pots as he almost always had position on me too.

He really shouldn't have viewed me as a maniac considering my profits were like 100% blue line, but hey, I'll take it. I only made 2 multi-street bluffs the entire session and both failed. First one was against him (details below), second one was...

Hand 4: Against some really nitty guy, I triple barrel shoved in position with As3s after flatting his preflop raise on a QsJs6cJc5c. My flop bet was 1/2 pot into 4 players, he was only caller. Turn and river were both like 80% pot size bets. He had quads I was so sure he couldn't have something strong or he would have raised the wet flop when I bet only 1/2 pot, and thought he might fear the backdoor flush on the river as lots of guys here tend to do. As of right now, I think it was an OK bluff, but river should have been cheaper, or maybe there aren't enough hands in his turn calling + river folding range to make it work. Anyway this is a hand I would definitely like to review later. Q3: this whole hand.

OK, on to this villain-guy that I built some history with:

Hand 5: First big hand I play against villain. Only read I have on him at this point is he raised A9o UTG, so he's at least somewhat aggressive/loose which is super rare at this poker room. I don't remember details as well as I should, but we're about 300BB deep. In fact I'm really frustrated/surprised that I can't even remember who had position in this hand (is this normal or really weird to not remember this stuff?). I THINK it was him, haha so I'll go with that. I raise AA, think it gets to flop like 3 ways with $45 in pot. I cbet $35 on an AK8 board with 2 clubs, he calls. HU on turn, Jc completing flush draw. I bet $75 into $115, he calls. River is another J, awesome, a boat. I bet $150 into $260, he raises to $250, I shove, he folds. My best guess is he had a flush. I have been showing almost all my hands (PokerPro electronic tables make this very standard since it asks you "show or muck" haha) at this point which have been a pretty standard mix of goods/bluffs such as cbets with AK into A83, and QJ into K52. I believed showing was definitely not -EV at this table, though I can't know for sure. Anyway, this is the first hand I don't show and maybe he thinks I bluffed him or something. Don't really know.

Hand 6: Next big hand I'm in against villain, I get AK on an 884J2 board, bet flop and turn OOP, check river and he shoves for pot. I fold (didn't show) so maybe here he's also thinking I'm a maniac. I double barreled here because I think he's calling preflop/flop with a crappy pair but folding on turn. How to play these situations are kind of important, but I think it can go either way between give up on turn, or second barrel.

Hand 7: Next big hand I have AA (again!), board runs out 94494. I bet flop, check/called him on both the turn and the river shove. He tabled 55. I'm still not sure whether he thought it was a value bet or a bluff, lol. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit, and he was simply thinking "hmm I think I have the best hand, I bet!" I will never know. Anyway I'm not sure about how I played this hand, while one reason I checked was because I felt like villain was definitely capable of bluffing if he sensed weakness, I think I was also influenced by not wanting to get stacked by a 9. Q4: review this hand!

Hand 8: Next big hand I have KTo, I bet flop and check/call both turn/river again on a KQ794 board. He has JT for the straight. Same read as last time that he's betting if checked to, but it wasn't super-strong or anything so I'm kind of unsure on how I played these hands (passively), and maybe river should have been a fold. Unsure. Q5: Review this hand!

Hand 9: Last big hand vs this villain I called a preflop raise by nit-guy-who-snapped-me-with-quads, villain calls behind me, I flop top set on T23, cool. Original raiser cbets, I call, villain calls. Turn is like a 7 or something, original raiser gives up, I check too, villain bets $40ish into $75 and I call. River is a 3 (T2373), I check, villain bets ~$100 into ~$150, I raise to $250, villain 3 bets on the river to $400! I shove and he insta-folds. He claims to have air! I believe him. Anyway I'm not too worried about how I played this hand as it is obviously non-standard, but for a hopefully not-terrible reason.

So, this villain gave me a good exercise on slowplaying which is something that seems to be very rarely right at these tables. Also, like $500 or something =)

~~~

Few other notes:
-The same villain in the "AK top pair fold to single flop raise" from last session was at the table, even more sure now that he has a set like every time he raises there.
-I was 3 bet a total of 4 times, 3 times by the big-villain-guy in this post and I folded every time (best hand I folded was AJs), and 1 time by a 50 BB stack and I shoved QQ. He snapped with 99.
-I don't think I 3 bet anyone else the entire session, had zero chances to do it for value. Had a couple decent chances to squeeze bluff with total air but chickened out.
-PokerPro tables tracked my flops seen at 25%.

Anyway I think I write too much about what are probably really standard hands, haha. Thanks for reading guys! Any suggestions/comments very much appreciated.
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Old 03-25-2012, 03:11 PM   #43
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I will answer my own questions from last post later, for now another session update.

I tried drinking + playing yesterday, results were quite disastrous, I'm pretty sure it cost me several hundred dollars and I think I will not ever do that again. One horrible, horrible play in particular was raising pre with 65s in position and flatting a min-3bet (like 100% sure it's AA) after another player. Fine so far, but on the flop 3 handed though the 3better leads from the blinds for like 80% pot, other player folds, and I call on a 334r board despite not having proper odds assuming she bets the turn. Sigh, should have been a fold. To make things worse, I tried a river bluff for the rest of my stack (board is 3344Q) and she snaps with AA. HORRIBLE river bluff. SO BAD.

Also I lost 200BB almost immediately upon sitting down when I held 45o in the big blind on an A23 board, got it all in on a blank turn against 33 and lost on the river. So -$800 from those two hands alone.

Overall was down -$120 from an 11 hour session (I really, really wanted to get even, heh. Once I play more I hopefully won't care as much). Still having lots of fun though, so I have high spirits although I do still have a lot I need to learn.

One quick note about my poker room- from reading the LLSNL forums, I always see posts about like villain1 is fish, villain2 is decent reg, villain3 is good player- I laugh at these because there are roughly 0 other players in my cardroom that I would call a "decent reg". I should consider myself lucky I guess!

New worst feeling in the world: huge drunk fish on my immediate right who's had like 6 beers and a couple shots leaves with a $1200 stack because the table was antagonizing her for playing bad and winning so much. I tried my best to keep her there but the rest of my table was literally AVOIDING playing hands with her because "she always wins" despite obviously playing terrible and other players recognizing this. lolwat

Running total: +$702, 26 hours.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:42 AM   #44
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Too tired to answer my own questions from 2 posts ago right now, but session update:

Played today +$234 in 5 hours. Majority of profits from standard preflop raise + cbet with air this time. I lost an all in preflop where I raise 5x with AQs, some guy shoves for 25BB more. Anyway he seemed genuinely surprised I didn't have the same hand as him (AA) when I called, /facepalm. Can I ever fold here? I didn't really have any reads on the guy, but most live players, at least here, usually aren't shoving 30BB with worse I guess.

Kind of funny story: Some guy bought in for 25 BB, my standard raise was to like 7 BB at this table and he was berating me for playing Bingo because this was like 1/3 his stack, lol. Every time I was in a hand that he wasn't even involved in he would yell and cheer for the other guy. He later bought in for 87 BB so he would have enough money to "punish" my preflop raises (I can't even make this **** up), I later stacked him with AQ when he shoved flop with a K7 of hearts on a AJ6 board with 2 hearts. Anyway yea this guy mega frustrated me with his donkey logic (just one of many doomswitchaments quotes from him: "even Doyle Brunson can't win if the PokerPro tables don't want him to"), so ****ing glad I stacked him.

Running total: +$936, 31 hours.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:41 PM   #45
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OK time to finally get to those questions!

Q1: This is tough but I think it's a bet. Probably get calls from gutshot combos like KQ.
Q2: I really don't know if he calls if I make it any bigger. I guess this will be something to experiment with and learn throughout the journey, last session I had an insanely similar hand except I did like 90% on flop and 90% on turn and the guy folded a K on the turn (different guy).
Q3: I don't think he calls flop with anything worse than a Q, and probably doesn't fold turn, so it's best to give up. Given that I bet the turn, river must be a shove I think to fold out those type of hands (AA etc.). Flop stab is probably not worth it either as original raiser is calling nearly 100% of his range If I give him AQ+, but maybe I'm overestimating his range (as I did in this very poorly played hand I posted in LLSNL: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-here-1185206/).
Q4: Ugh, still don't know about this one. POKER IS SO HARD I have been failing really hard at thinking about ranges on the fly which I need to work on, but in retrospect I don't think this villain is flatting my raises with very many hands that have a 9 or a 4 in them. A pair that thinks he's good is most likely, and given my read on this particular villain that he will bet when checked, I guess I'm satisfied with how I played it.
Q5: Not sure if being results oriented, but since I raised preflop he should probably expect me to have some paint, so he should be less likely to bluff on a KQx flop. Need to think about this during the hand and not 3 days later

For today, I can't decide whether to play Donkey Kong Country or go play more poker. Decisions, decisions.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:59 PM   #46
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Well right now, I LOVE POKER, so I plan to play ALOT! At least 40 hours a week, unless that proves to be too much burnout on my brain.

Starting limits is 1/2, 1/3, 2/4, 2/5. I'd LOVE to move up after proving myself there, because I subscribe to the "always strive to improve your game" idea. I have a huge bankroll for this (like I said my living expenses are as low as can be and I've had a great salary for 3 years), so if I'm even remotely profitable BR shouldn't be an issue.

that will change soon
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:58 PM   #47
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aside from playing and studying your hands was curious if you layed out a curriculum for yourself in the upcoming months: i.e. books to read; coaching websites; private lesseons?
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No curriculum other than to travel the states and figure out where I want to live. St. Louis is a pretty high choice for me because I like the city, although I hear the poker scene isn't great. I think I'm OK with that though as long as I can feed myself so yea. Anyway, I plan to visit STL while the WSOP-C is in town, then Vegas/Tampa afterwards. If I'm feeling adventurous I might check out Macau or somewhere in Europe (literally have not the slightest clue where live poker exists there).

Had another hot day, +$378 in 4 hours. I made a 3 street bluff with an open ended straight flush draw with TJs early on in the session (called down by an unknown who I later discovered was a station with top pair bad kicker... yikes), then picked up two value hands in a row right after and got paid versus the same guy in both.

Running total: +$1314, 35 hours.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:18 PM   #49
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your hourly is pretty sick right now keep it up!
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Aesah - what casino are you playing that has the PokerPro tables?
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