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02-22-2015 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Soncy
Hard on yourself much?
selfrekt*


But yeah, a very nice blog! Keep it up , sir.
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02-22-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Benni19
You selfbanned yourself?
Didn't follow through
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02-22-2015 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by isteal
Looking forward to real estate post. Much more challenging and positive ev than poker. Just launched new buyer site with some PPC. Going well. Keeping an eye on the "real estate" bankroll....
May disappoint you :P

I'm almost certainly going to quit real estate for now. The short version is that I've decided it's not for me.

I'm pretty embarrassed of that too. I can't describe how excited I was to pour all my time and energy for the next year or two into real estate, and I knew full well that the beginning would be rough and I would potentially not make anything. So after only going for a couple months, yea I feel like a quitter, I feel like my friends, family, and the rest of the world will think I'm a quitter. It's not a pleasant place to be. Also I'm somewhat hesitant to post this, but hey- this blog has been 100% open for 3 years detailing successes, failures, and in-betweens and that's not gonna change now.

A little background on me: I got a CompSci degree that I never was thrilled about, just tried it first semester freshman year not really knowing what to do with everyone reassuring you can switch out. After the first year, still wasn't feeling it, wanted to switch but I've already invested so much... same feeling happened again after every semester. 3 years later, graduated. Oh well!

Same thing with my FDA job. As you guys may have read earlier in the thread, I didn't hate it but never really loved the work. Wasn't feeling it at the start, decided to keep trying, never really got into it. In retrospect, I'm certainly not unhappy with the way sticking to all of these things made my life turn out, but yea I think one of my strengths is reading myself (better than 9/10 of people) and I just had the same feelings with real estate where I didn't think I would enjoy sticking with it for however many more years.

I think one of the big factors was that going into the business I expected the vast majority of the work to be go like this: Bob wants to buy a house, tells you roughly what he's looking for, you analyze the market and find the best deals that are most suited to his needs and go show him a few houses. I've found out that instead, the majority of the work actually seems trying to figure out who is Bob, and then to stay on his mind long enough that he chooses you over the ton of other real estate agents that are in his face. The former sounds fun to me, the latter not so much (I'm aware that the balance gets better the longer you do it).

I honestly do have a lot more to say on this topic- including more specific reasons why- but I'll leave it at that for now.
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02-22-2015 , 06:31 PM
In the future I may write about my experiences, share stories etc. but two non-poker related depressing posts in a row = next post will be positive and about poker
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02-22-2015 , 06:42 PM
Don't think it makes you a quitter. Life is short, keep trying to find something you love. Use poker/your part time FDA work to allow yourself this freedom while you search for what you love to do. You coming to wsop at all this year?
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02-22-2015 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
May disappoint you :P

I think one of the big factors was that going into the business I expected the vast majority of the work to be go like this: Bob wants to buy a house, tells you roughly what he's looking for, you analyze the market and find the best deals that are most suited to his needs and go show him a few houses. I've found out that instead, the majority of the work actually seems trying to figure out who is Bob, and then to stay on his mind long enough that he chooses you over the ton of other real estate agents that are in his face. The former sounds fun to me, the latter not so much (I'm aware that the balance gets better the longer you do it).

I honestly do have a lot more to say on this topic- including more specific reasons why- but I'll leave it at that for now.
Nothing wrong with trying it out and deciding to go in another direction.
My wife had basically the same sort of disappointing experiences after she got her Virginia license. She decided it was not for her.
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02-22-2015 , 07:14 PM
Better than being stuck doing something you hate!
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02-22-2015 , 10:36 PM
Every commission based business on the ground floor is sales. Sales sales sales. It doesn't matter if your the best in the world at real estate, karate, singing, or have the best mouse trap, cookware, or pet rock. It's all about marketing yourself/your product. Which kinda sucks if you believe in the process or product.

I did a variety of sales jobs from 18-26 and learned to hate it. (When I was 24, I started a business and went busto after 2 months) That's why I love poker. It's one of the few professions where you can work for yourself without having to sell a product or service to people. The only problem I see with poker is that it doesn't pay the bills when you are off the felt. So it's a hell of a lot better than grinding the ground floor of a business, but pales in comparison to being established.

You didn't fail at real estate, you succeeded in taking a shot and learning something about yourself.
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02-22-2015 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
May disappoint you :P

I'm almost certainly going to quit real estate for now. The short version is that I've decided it's not for me.

I'm pretty embarrassed of that too. I can't describe how excited I was to pour all my time and energy for the next year or two into real estate, and I knew full well that the beginning would be rough and I would potentially not make anything. So after only going for a couple months, yea I feel like a quitter, I feel like my friends, family, and the rest of the world will think I'm a quitter. It's not a pleasant place to be. Also I'm somewhat hesitant to post this, but hey- this blog has been 100% open for 3 years detailing successes, failures, and in-betweens and that's not gonna change now.

A little background on me: I got a CompSci degree that I never was thrilled about, just tried it first semester freshman year not really knowing what to do with everyone reassuring you can switch out. After the first year, still wasn't feeling it, wanted to switch but I've already invested so much... same feeling happened again after every semester. 3 years later, graduated. Oh well!

Same thing with my FDA job. As you guys may have read earlier in the thread, I didn't hate it but never really loved the work. Wasn't feeling it at the start, decided to keep trying, never really got into it. In retrospect, I'm certainly not unhappy with the way sticking to all of these things made my life turn out, but yea I think one of my strengths is reading myself (better than 9/10 of people) and I just had the same feelings with real estate where I didn't think I would enjoy sticking with it for however many more years.

I think one of the big factors was that going into the business I expected the vast majority of the work to be go like this: Bob wants to buy a house, tells you roughly what he's looking for, you analyze the market and find the best deals that are most suited to his needs and go show him a few houses. I've found out that instead, the majority of the work actually seems trying to figure out who is Bob, and then to stay on his mind long enough that he chooses you over the ton of other real estate agents that are in his face. The former sounds fun to me, the latter not so much (I'm aware that the balance gets better the longer you do it).

I honestly do have a lot more to say on this topic- including more specific reasons why- but I'll leave it at that for now.
Yea... Oh well. I was lucky. I was free rolling real estate. I was the IT guy so basically getting paid to learn and do real estate. I think it took 5 months to get a closing. But once I got some momentum, it was on. But it takes a lot of energy and time and a lot of rejection happens to.

Your good at poker..stick with it. Don't beat yourself up. I basically gave up poker for now. I don't have the fire for it anymore. If you don't have the fire for something, then no need to force it.

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02-23-2015 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aesah

A little background on me: I got a CompSci degree that I never was thrilled about,
Trade ya for an econ degree
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02-24-2015 , 01:42 AM
5/5 NLHE. Second orbit at the table. It's the 3rd (but not final) table in a chain of must moves, which tells me villain has been playing for at least some time. Villain is late 40's clean cut white guy wearing headphones, which suggests he's a recreational regular. He has about $1800 haphazardly stacked, which means that chips probably move in and out of his stack more often than the average unknown. Only hand I've seen villain play was overbet bluffing vs. me in a heads-up pot on an AA2r flop as the PFR then double barreling big to give up on river- the most significant part of which is the flop overbet, indicating he likes to click buttons. All of this information matters a bit to me, but the latter is by far the most valuable. My image should be neutral for a young asian guy.

Loose player raises to $20 in MP, hero calls in HJ with 76, villain calls in CO, tight player in BB calls. $1400 effective.

Flop K98, pot ~$80
Checked to hero who bets $50, CO calls, others fold.

Turn 3, pot $180
Checked through.

River 3, pot $180
Hero bets $75, villain raises to $320, hero raises to $875, villain folds.

Preflop is whatever. I'm not bluffing flop often, but 76 is a great hand to do it with for a variety of basic poker reasons- also as an interesting minor point, the K out there makes betting flop much better than on something like 983r since I can fold out QJ to avoid getting coolered. On turn I go for check/raise since this villain has already shown signs of button clickery and bet spamming, which is fine since I don't really expect to get 3-bet, a call is fine, and a fold is much nicer than the respective result by leading.

On river, I would probably check JT, but 7-high loses to too many straight draws so I go for a post-oak bluff. I don't think he would value-raise that sizing with even AK, so his value range is basically 88 or 99 exactly that chose to flat flop then check back turn- in other words, almost non-existent. I think my 3-bet sizing here is fine, since I don't want to make the odds too enticing for villain to call with say 9x- of course it doesn't really make for him to raise 9x here, but villain has already shown signs of doing things that don't make sense.

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This hand was significant to me because it demonstrates the importance of confidence. Super super easy 3-bet on river (as played) given all the available information, but during the depths of my downswing I might have failed amidst visions of villain insta-calling then kicking myself for forgetting that no one typically bluffraises rivers, and missing the fact that this wasn't a typical river.
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02-24-2015 , 02:02 AM
I don't like the turn check. You really shouldn't be checking this spot with either strong hands or what you have here. I just go pretty big on the turn and then overpot the river.
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02-24-2015 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I don't like the turn check. You really shouldn't be checking this spot with either strong hands or what you have here. I just go pretty big on the turn and then overpot the river.
I don't know if your asian, but over-betting river as a young asian is not getting V off Kx
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02-24-2015 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ko$herMoney!
I don't know if your asian, but over-betting river as a young asian is not getting V off Kx
That's the wrong way to think about it. You have 7 high.
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02-24-2015 , 02:16 PM
FWIW, I like the way that you played the hand. Usually, I am pretty hard on people (including Aesah) when I look at HHs. Or maybe I am biased towards spewing with 7-high.
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02-24-2015 , 02:21 PM
Sabr,Snowball,ATsai you just don't get it. What do you guys know about being Asian?
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02-24-2015 , 04:27 PM
Sorry not everyone can 3bet 7high for value like ATsai
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02-24-2015 , 04:38 PM
Online player but I 3b pre (expect lots of calls so we want our bluffing range to be capable of barrelling) then bet every street here (flop and turn because lol equity + we want some bluffs and have no sdv, river because bottom of our range).
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02-24-2015 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
That's the wrong way to think about it. You have 7 high.
so the correct way is to completely disregard your opponents range bc OPs exact holding is 7 high? too much azn strat ITT
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02-24-2015 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ko$herMoney!
so the correct way is to completely disregard your opponents range bc OPs exact holding is 7 high? too much azn strat ITT
lol, if you can throw around buzz words like "range" then you should be able to think about why your posts are so horrendous.
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02-24-2015 , 05:15 PM
range is a buzz word on a poker forum?
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02-24-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
I did a variety of sales jobs from 18-26 and learned to hate it. (When I was 24, I started a business and went busto after 2 months) That's why I love poker. It's one of the few professions where you can work for yourself without having to sell a product or service to people. The only problem I see with poker is that it doesn't pay the bills when you are off the felt. So it's a hell of a lot better than grinding the ground floor of a business, but pales in comparison to being established.
in poker you invest income to make you money off the felt. Any poker player that spends more than half of his yearly income is just not being financially responsible given the volitility of the business imo

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so the correct way is to completely disregard your opponents range bc OPs exact holding is 7 high? too much azn strat ITT
yes, when you have nut bottom of your range you bluff most of the time regardless of w/e villain holds. you'll be surprised how often it works
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02-24-2015 , 05:26 PM
gotcha. I confused this discussion for live poker. must have been for stars
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02-24-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
yes, when you have nut bottom of your range you bluff most of the time regardless of w/e villain holds. you'll be surprised how often it works
I'm confused what we are repping when we just call preflop. I just think the villain would catch us bluffing here a lot, just because of the pre flop action. So even if we put him on exactly kx we do not care?
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02-24-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by numkie
I'm confused what we are repping when we just call preflop. I just think the villain would catch us bluffing here a lot, just because of the pre flop action. So even if we put him on exactly kx we do not care?
yeah its a range bluff so we don't exactly care what we rep. we do have strong hands here k9s, 99 , 88. 76 is pretty much our only bluff hand, jt check/folds river. Its ok to be completely value on river in live I guess but theoretically this is the hand we want to be bluffing with, no sd value lots of equity.
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