Also, check out Sirlin's game Pandante, which is based on Texas Hold'em but has special abilities and other random stuff. It focuses on eliminating poker's biggest flaw (IMO) for recreational players, which is that playing well requires you to fold the majority of your hands and no one thinks folding is fun (you can still fold in Pandante but it's supposed to be much less optimal to fold).

I have not played Pandante but the few other games designed by Sirlin I have played have been great.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sirlin/pandante

Had a fun session that started with me misreading my hand and winning a decent pot with K-high where I jammed with KhQd 4-ways on 6h4h4x since I thought I had KhQh... got called by Jh7h and held. Moved to PLO shortly after, I'm sure the table was sad to see me go after that one.

Hand 1: I raise in MP over 1 limper with JJ88 to $25, 3 callers.

Flop K65, pot $105
Two checks, guy jams for $100, lady behind snapcalls, I call. Me and lady are about $2000 deep.

Turn 6, pot $405
I check, villain checks behind.

River 8, pot $405
I lead $125 into dry side pot, she raises to $475, I call. She disgustingly mucks K6 and leaves the table... perhaps this should probably be a 3-bet on the river. Still not entirely sure.

Hand 2: Guy who raises every hand makes it $20 from UTG+1, hero calls in MP+1 with A742, some others call. 5 ways to the flop.

Flop A52, pot $100
Checked to me, I bet $75, 1 caller in the blinds. Fairly tight older recreational player.

Turn 6, pot $250
Villain leads $150, I call. I think he has A6xx the vast majority of the time here.

River 9, pot $550
Vlilain checks, I bet $300 repping nothing, villain tank folds.

Hand 3: Very aggro guy who actually has a strong understanding of PLO but is too much gamboool to actually win straddles BTN. SB calls, hero raises to $40 in BB with AAJ6, BTN calls, SB calls.

Flop 952, pot $120
Check, I bet $75, BTN makes it $250, fold, I call.

Turn 4, pot $620
Check/check.

River T, pot $620
I check, villain bets $450, I call. Villain shows 8743.

Up $2148 in 7 hours.

Florida total: $8,163, 225 hours.

"Very aggro guy who actually has a strong understanding of PLO but is too much gamboool to actually win straddles BTN."


sup

lol was thinking of offering don 5:1 you weren't Zima from 2+2. Glad I didnt

wow. guess stakes are too low for you to care, me and Tyler are in shock at having played with such a 2+2 legend

woooooooooooooooooo

Why didn't you fold flop in hand one?

-$75 in 2 hours.

Almost got away with abusing the high hand system... it's room-wide for $600, and the first supervisor we asked said we could play 5-card PLO and still be eligible for it (I already think it's unfair that PLO qualifies for it, although it benefits me). However after awhile another supervisor came over and said that they don't actually spread that game. Aww.

Florida total: $8,088, 227 hours.

Lol @ casino allowing Omaha in the same high hand promotion as Hold 'Em!

Although when 15 HE tables run vs 1 Omaha... the crowd will still think "What??... Omaha doesn't really win it that much..."

FLOOR!!!!

I played a decent amount of 1/2/5 PLO with him at V this summer.

Times tough Z?

Who is this... Zima... ?
C===== bad at the internetz

Has a very successful staking stable with Elio fox. Has a thread in this sub forum.

played 6 hours today, lost $233.

Made a big river bluff repping nothing vs a non-thinking player... my favorite kind of bluff. Most guys simply are incapable of calling with 2 pair or worse in PLO when there is a possible straight on the board.

Florida total: $7,855, 233 hours.

Aesah did that 5/10 NLH run at hard rock? I haven't seen NLH action over 2/5 in the tampa area since the WPT was here.

all florida games have been at hard rock unless otherwise specified

derby had a 5-10 NLHE today (semi private) that turned into a round of each (nlhe/plo) then all PLO.


was a pretty good game.

the "private" game thing is so weird here in Florida. I got lucky to make a few friends and get a seat in a few games here and there and now i get some invites to smaller private games and also am usually the "last on the list" for the bigger games. gotta network pretty hard to try and get your foot in the door though

Ya I called the number on Bravo to ask if it was private. They told me "yes, but you can drive down here and see if they'll let you play". LOL. FK THAT.

It's alright. I feel bad tbh being a professional poker player. It just doesn't feel right to play in a private game. I understand my role in a casino... basically make sure the fish are entertained, have fun, and come back. Everyone already knows I'm a pro. For a private game I feel like I have to fake trying to make friends with someone for the sole purpose of being able to take their money. That just doesn't feel right to me, even if they actually are cool and I also want to be friends, it'll always have started as a hustle in my mind.

I don't feel bad playing in a fish's home game because I'm filling a seat for him, helping him start a game which he's profiting from, and paying him his rake. For the Florida private game, wtf do they need me for when every whale in the entire state is itching to get seats in those games and even they don't get them. I mean seriously if someone like Alban (if you know who that is) who pots like 50% of his range from every position at the 2/5 game has trouble getting into the games, it's basically going to be impossible for me

eh, not sure i agree with some of your post (in terms of making friends just to take the money). i made friends with one of the guys in the bigger games one day cause he came and played the smaller game. we started talking and he said "hey, we got a seat tomorrow if you wanna play". and then got my foot in the door that way. Do i think i am a winner in the private games, of course. i think its a great spot. its a weird situation though, and i dont really agree with your characterization of it. (obv just on the internet. i assume if you explained and we talked about it in person i think it would come off differently)

people play dif in dif games though. you would be shocked at how i play in the bigger games (i would assume). I am not the action in the big games. i just sit there and fold.

played many many many hours with alban, and he has a few different gears.

Id just call in villains shoes all day. Your value range looks specifically like a wheel. Other than exactly A5, (case A) you should have no other value hand. He should be expecting you to bet all 2 pair on turn when checked to and appropriately so given its likely better to bet turn with your A2 than betting river.
Add in that the portion of your value range that he beats is only 2-pair, he has to get his c/r called by worse which is very unlikely given you have no sets.
Its a call.

I've played a decent amount with Alban at both PLO and also 2/5 and 5/10 NLHE. He is indeed generally super agro in PLO, and playing probably at least 80% of hands. (Admittedly, I've never played one of the big games with him, so maybe he tightens up then?) But in NLHE, he's the tightest player at the table. I've seen this in other players, too-- super-nitty 5/10 NLHE regs who then proceed to play nearly every hand in PLO, calling with bad draws and bad odds, and payoff light. It's interesting. But this is exactly what you talk about when explaining how PLO is the most profitable game to play.

Lol'd irl

I shouldn't have used his name. Oh well. "That guy" indeed has different gears but he's like, very clearly a whale in every aspect possible, and he's a cool, fun guy too. Given that he's expressed that he has trouble getting into the private games, it seems like not worth my time to try.

I actually pretty strongly disagree with this. I'll give my answers later, but would be curious on your thoughts on:

1) what percentage of my range contains 34xx after I call the flop
2) what percentage of the time I am/should be betting river after he checks to me twice
3) after I bet river, how often i'm bet/folding river vs. bet/continuing

(1% of total hands preflop are of the form 543x. you might already know this but i'm posting here as it's a useful reference to help answer this question)

1) Some but not a lot. Maybe 15% very roughly. Fairly irrelevant question given once you check back turn that percentage should be much higher.
2) loaded question because I think you should be betting the turn way more than river. all but A5xx of your Ax non 2pr hands that check turn will remain as 1 pr on river thus you will be checking river back most often. I think the bulk of your turn checking range should be Ax 1pr and 345x that you don't want to get cr. So basically I wouldn't be betting river much. You are better off betting your weaker Ax and certainly your Aces up for protection/ value on turn vs trying to get called by 1 pair on river.
3) depends how often you have 34 because that's the only hand I wouldn't b/f on river vs described player.