Hi guys!

I'm relative new to online poker, been playing poker a lot in home games in the weekends, fishy 2-4$ games where people is drunk and are just playing for the fun of it.

When I first started playing online I deposited full and started playing 200NL and was playing very tight and went on a heater and then moved up till I busted at 1000NL, thought I was beating the game but later realised it was just combination of luck and variance I guess. The same thing happend on my later deposits, moved up in limits and busted. However, i'm gonna try to start again, but now start at 5NL and only move up when I know I beat the current limit and have the bankroll for it.

Anyway, I have some questions I need to know before I start.

1. How do I know that I beat the game? How many hands and how good winrate should I have at each limit before I move up?

2. How many hands should I play before I post my graph and ask for advice, tips on what I need to improve before I post anything on twoplustwo?

3. I'm planning to 2-4 table rush poker and was wondering if there is any adjustment or differences in HEM stat I need to consider?

4. Any other advices? I will search the forum and collect as much information as I can.

Will start on my journey when I get back home from work (working offshore atm)


Will try to contribute to the forum in a good way, not just expect everyone to give me free advice.


anyway
cheers from northern europe.

1)100k sample is decent IMO bro
2)25k imo bro
3)what do you mean I dont understand that question fully?
4)post HH when you are unsure of what to do, they helped me alot to improve my game

welcome im black gerbi1

1. Move up when you are ready. You know you are beating the level you are playing at when your bankroll starts to show the boost and you have played 20k hands min. Also you can use the guide of 20 BI rule to know when its time to move up. 5NL you need $100 10NL $200 etc basically BI * 20 = BR

2. Ask for advice as you see fit. I would suggest posting hand histories in addition to graphs. Graphs are more or less a way to brag or show your tilt spots or where you are running bad etc. More importantly are your stats and your HH's (Post hands that are not trivial, because you got Bad Beat when you had AA and your opponent had KK and it was AIPF there is no reason to post this its std)

3. As someone who doesn't play Rush I can't really answer this but I suggest you try to play actual poker first before rushing into things (no pun intended).

4. Use the beginners forum, learn your leaks, study, study, study, oh yeah best of all if you are playing Micro's I always suggest ABC Tag.

i will give you some advice dont think of your table as a "5nl" table or whatever limit

dont think oh i have "beaten" 5nl because i have a 4bb/100 winrate over 20k hands or whatever numbers you want

try to just beat the players at your table when you have more money try and beat the players at a higher limit youre playing the same game just for more money its not like youve completed level one now time to move onto level two

also dont play "TAG" "LAG" or whatever else dont raise KQ utg but fold KJ because thats what everyone else does without giving it any thought

BI * 20 = BR is waaaay too low unless you are OK to redeposit

Maybe you will not have to, will get lucky, variance or realization of not being there yet wont bite, but usually with bankroll management this loose you will go busto.

25 buyins is considered absolute minimum, 50 is fine and 75+ is IMO proper BRM if you are going to take it seriously.
At lower levels you can risk more obviously since its not hard to redeposit but higher you go more carefull you should be is the way I see it.
Once you are at the top those numbers are probably silly but then you will know what to do anyway.
But hey I am BR nit ever since I saw the other side.

20 buyins is fine if you move down when you fall below 20 buyins for that limit

I know playing even 8-10 tables at 100NL with BR of just 2k is asking for disaster but hey to each its own I guess.
As long as you are fine with redeposit or top up and not get tilted by your account status.
But if you want to take poker seriously as if wanna be poker pro once, its best to learn proper BRM from the start.
Mind you, you dont have to have all that money on your poker account, as long as its instantly available its fine.

I agree, I think 100k should tell me if i'm doing allright at the current limit
I will 4 table rush so with about 800-1000 hands an hour it won't take too long

Thanks for a great respond! Will try to post the hands that I'm most insecure of, will absolutely not post redicolous microstake bad beats!


Great advice, I've had some problems before that I get bored and careless playing too low stakes, will try to think about the money as buyins and not $ !

I agree, I need more than 20 buyins, will try to always have 50 buyins before I move up in stakes, if I only I have 20 buyins and and bust I feel like I'm "broke" and can not beat the game even if it's just variance.


Thanks folks, this forum is really helpful!

I have only six days left offshore before I can start to play and study the game for 4 weeks straight!

Hey folks!

I haven't been playing much poker due to different stuff to do, but I have managed to put in some small session of rush poker of a total of 6300 hands.

I have stated before that I'm a beginner at online poker and I just bought HEM and don't know **** about it. Anyway I will post a small sample size here and if any of you will comment I would be very appreciated.

If the sample size is too small just tell me to gtfo and I'll be back when I have a 100k sample.


Thanks in advance. I will post some hand histories which I'm insecure of, I will not bore you with bad beats or standard hands.

If you are playing 10 nl on Full tilt , even with rakeback youare bleeding money in rake.

Try Bodog with rakeback or stars ( stars is better even with NO rakeback)

You are going to be hard pressed to outrun the rake on Tilt at 10nl.

This is 5NL, I like rush poker and I will move up in stakes when I have the roll for it. If I can beat the game I can move up where they don't rake me out right? How far do I have to go up before the rake is decent?

Can someone comment on my stats? What's the optimal stats to have? I don't have a clue, i'm totally newbie.

Lol- 5 nl is even worse.

25 nl-50nl is about where it gets closer.

Best bet for stats and strategy is to search for the thread "official rush poker" thread in the internet poker section

Ok, thanks for the advice. Will still play 5NL as long as I make proft and I reach 40 BB for NL10 and then later try to move up to NL25-NL50, don't know how hard it is sins I never played that much of online poker. I find it so much comfortable to play 3-4 tables rush instead of 16 table normal poker.

This is 6max btw if anyone wonders.

--No stats on the guy--

Here's a little hand history where I had Kings and faced an A on the flop, I led out with a half pot size bet which probably looked very weak since there was also a flush draw on the flop. However I got reraised and was thinking about folding on the flop, but I had in mind that he took advantage of my weak bet so I played it differently. If I would play this hand again, I would raise 3/4 of the pot and if I got reraised I would have probably folded.

How would you have played this hand? Don't see the spoiler before you make up your mind.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) -
UTG ($7.27)
Hero (MP) ($9.69)
CO ($6.75)
Button ($5.12)
SB ($6.31)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 7, A, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, Button raises $0.65,

I think you should eather RR his raise or fold on that flop. That will give you all the information you need.

If he thinks you are just doing a CBEt, and thats the reason he raises you to find out if you really have the A or not,

He will fold to a RR if he dont have the ACE him self, heck sometimes he may even fold hands like AQ.

And if he calls or Raise again you know you are beat and can easely fold. Or if you dont want to invest that much money into the pot, just fold to his RR. Calling acomplish nothing IMO.

Also a few other things IMO you dont need to play 100 K hands to find out if you are beating a level. There is rarely anyone who play that many hands at the lowest micro limits, winnning players would have moved up a long time before.

If you are winning within like 15-20 k hands its likely you are at least beating the limit, ofcourse its not as precise a figure as 100 K hands.

If you havent been able to win after about 15 K hands at NL5 then im sorry to say it but then you are most likely not good enough, and you should eather go down to NL2 or stay at NL 5 until you can beat it.

Also you dont need anything near 50 or 75 Buy'ins for those small limits cash games.

20 Buy'ins is fine. You are not going to lose 20 buy'ins if you are a winning player. Variance can be big and you might tilt something off when things run bad, but truest me a winning NL5 player does not lose 20 Buy'ins.

75 buy ins is ridiculous, 20 is enough as long as you are willing to move back down when you drop to 15 (which will still leave you 30 at the level below).

Look if you are willing to redeposit any BR is good.
But telling someone 20 is enough and thinking this goes for 2k at NL100 and up as well, please lets not even go there. You just find me a long time winning pro upwards of NL100 who has nothing but 20BI to play with.

As I said proper BRM is not needed if you are recreational or you feel you are crushing micros and want to move up and are willing to redeposit assuming few 100s should not be so hard.
But rebuilding your roll at 5 or 10k and up gets a lot harder unless you are willing to take money out of whatever other investments or accounts you have or unless couple of 10ks means nothing to you.

So IMO the sooner you learn proper BRM the better, but at some point it will always become a necessity unless you are swimming in money or have no desire to move up.

We are talking about NL 5 and NL10 cash games. A BR of 75 buy'ins is stupid.

20 buy'ins is fine

You might want to read his original post again, then read what I wrote, then tailor your 20BI is fine answer.

Thanks for great advice klondi!!! I agree with you thoughts on the play!! I moved up to 10NL last night and so far things are going good.

Heres my graph and stats so far, small sample size but I hope I can get some feedback about where my strong and weak spots are. I just bought HEM and don't know **** about it.

The reason I play at full tilt is because of rush poker. I feel like playing 4 tables of rush poker are so much more comfortable than playing 16 "normal" tables. What stakes on full tilt do I have to move up before the rake is acceptable/decent?

Another graph, if i post too often, just tell me to gtfo and I will wait till I got a big sample size. Can anyone comment on my stats/graph? As stated earlier I just bought HEM and don't know ape**** about it.

Things are going very well since I moved up to 10NL! Thanks for the advice! Is this game as easy as it looks or am I just on a heater? How much harder is 25NL than 10NL? I need 200 dollars more before I reach 20 buyins at 25NL.

New graph and stats.

Heres a hand I played i was insecure about. I dont know honestly how I played this hand, don't know if this is +EV Please comment.




No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)
CO ($15.17)
Button ($12.26)
SB ($21.19)
Hero (BB) ($36.11)
UTG ($5.72)
MP ($5.03)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
4 folds, SB bets $0.25, Hero raises $0.80, SB raises $2.10, Hero calls $1.50 --=Here I'm considering folding, but I called anyway=--

Flop: ($4.80) K, 9, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $3.10, Hero raises $6.20 --=Here I'm thinking that he wouldn't lead out that quick and strong considering no flush draw or straight draw on the flop and I made a min raise=--