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Old 12-03-2017, 05:04 PM   #1076
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

Do no ccing for a couple sessions. Deviate from there.
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:13 PM   #1077
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Any particular pg&c's you'd recommend?
oops, missed that. Mainly the ones who are prepared to discuss strat (not all the endbosses do that) because they generate a lot of discussion.

I liked TDA's but he seems to have gone. Clanty's but ditto. Arty's always, because he is a great source for technical stuff.

I like some live stuff too because I find it helps me with exploitive spots and I put a looooooootttttt of effort into identifying such spots, so it's good to know how to deal with them when you find them....for live I like Meale's because he is another "discussion generator" and also Mike Starr's although you get a lot of noise in his .

I like following people who are real and doing it, because we can identify with the sick spots, the inevitable spews, and "I don't know wtf is going on here" hands.
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:28 PM   #1078
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Do no ccing for a couple sessions. Deviate from there.
Right that's what I do but every time I deviate I go back to "meh ima 3bet err'thang" strat bc it works so well lol. I know I'm not playing particular spots the best for value but overall its really great.

I mean like I said I'll flat btn in some spots bc literally nothing bad can happen from a tight cc range btn flat. Honestly I'm finding mp vs utg the hardest spot to play atm.
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:04 PM   #1079
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

It depends a lot on:

1. Open sizing
2. Rfi of range
3. People behind
4. Likelihood of reraise behind (fxn of 1. 2. 3.)


If people are minopen in I will flat a lot more whereas if they go 3x I prefer to just 3b most stuff. If we 3b a very strong linear range with no flatting in a spot like mp vs utg then the correct utg response (guessing) is to just 4b a linear range.... this clearly doesn't happen and people actually call too much in utg vs mp 3b so we scoop a duck ton of ev post flop. (Current state of games)

Anyways I like 3bing a lot.

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Old 12-04-2017, 01:02 AM   #1080
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

^^ Pretty much this. Also...

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Honestly I'm finding mp vs utg the hardest spot to play atm.
Surely that's logical? I mean SB should be harder, but at micro zoom blind play, even by regs, can be rank bad.

A big part of my meta-game is to avoid reg battles anyway (which is **** easy to do on PS at the moment at 50), so I'm probably over-folding MP to a reg EP open anyway. Sort of gap-theory go large if you like
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:16 PM   #1081
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I've been studying my 3bet game as well and this spot in particular is troubling me. I feel like EVERY time I ep cold call I get squeezed. So UTG open I cc JJ in MP alot but get squeezed a ton.
I'd flat with hands that can almost always continue versus a squeeze (depending on sizing and who it is coming from). i.e. QQ-TT and AQs are decent flats in MP (they could also 3-bet to start with), as they play pretty well if UTG folds to the squeeze. Maybe you are getting squeezed a lot, but it shouldn't really happen very often*, as the 3-bettor has to expect UTG to 4-bet pretty often. If villain is just a crazy aggro squeezer, then you've also got the option of back-raising like pokerarb said. You don't want to be flatting many weak hands in MP in aggro games though, especially if the standard open is 3x.
I think you're more likely to get squeezed when you flat on the button, because your range is much weaker there, and that gives the SB/BB a prime squeezing spot, as you'd be folding to a squeeze more often.

* I haven't got my database open, but I think my cold-call percentage in MP is something like 2.5%. Since I'm not calling very often in the first place, the squeezing spots don't come up enough for me to be very concerned about how to react to them.
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:42 PM   #1082
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Arty says it better than me ofc, but this is pretty much what I was trying to say, word for word.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:52 PM   #1083
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

Just 4bet folded KK . Pretty certain I've never done that at 6max before.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:50 PM   #1084
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Got to admit I hummed and hawed a bit before deciding to flat pre here rather than cold 4bet. This was the first time villain had 3bet

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($25.27)
UTG ($30.32)
MP ($20.96)
Button ($28.79)
SB ($33.44)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.75, MP calls $1.25

Flop: ($6) 2, 10, A (3 players)
SB bets $5.73, Hero calls $5.73, 1 fold

Turn: ($17.46) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $16.67, Hero raises to $17.54 (All-In), SB calls $0.87

River: ($52.54) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $52.54 | Rake: $2

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He timebanked before deciding to call the extra $0.87 on the turn
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:08 PM   #1085
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:22 PM   #1086
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I seem to see less and less of them at the moment. I'm starting to wonder how much I'm losing out on by not having any table starting software. I just use the quickseat option in the software. I downloaded TST but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work with the Full Tilt skin
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:37 PM   #1087
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

I would switch to the Stars skin, set up TST and see if you like it, I think you are missing out on some good tables if you only use quickseat. What's your reasoning for sticking with the FTP skin either way?
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:48 PM   #1088
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I would switch to the Stars skin, set up TST and see if you like it, I think you are missing out on some good tables if you only use quickseat. What's your reasoning for sticking with the FTP skin either way?
I'm oldschool and don't like change

I might have to try it at some point as I'm finding it increasingly more difficult to find tables where everyone doesn't have reg(ish) stats

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Old 12-08-2017, 03:26 PM   #1089
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

Try to downgrade the full tilt poker client Husker..just do a little bit of google search and you will find which is the last version of FT that works with TST..i'm sure you will find something! TST is a good tool.. try to use it!! is a good idea imo......
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Old 12-08-2017, 05:38 PM   #1090
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Try to downgrade the full tilt poker client Husker..just do a little bit of google search and you will find which is the last version of FT that works with TST..i'm sure you will find something! TST is a good tool.. try to use it!! is a good idea imo......
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I'll give that a try.

I complain about struggling to get tables with fish and then this happens...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

SB ($30.88)
BB ($20.29)
UTG ($33.60)
MP ($26.80)
Hero (CO) ($37.49)
Button ($4.54)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6
UTG raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) 8, 6, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $33.10 (All-In), Hero calls $33.10, 2 folds

Turn: ($68.45) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($68.45) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $68.45 | Rake: $2

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Old 12-09-2017, 10:42 AM   #1091
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

[ ] 15x pot c-bets are a thing.
[x] Villain is a thing.

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Old 12-10-2017, 06:24 PM   #1092
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

Arty, what are your preflop stats? I think I've seen you mention you've memorised Snowie's ranges and use them?
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Old 12-11-2017, 05:00 PM   #1093
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Re: The journey from Full Ring to 6max

I've PM-ed you with more details, but in the challenges where most pre-flop raises are minraises, it's something like 24/17, but in real life micros, I end up being a couple of percentage points tighter than that, because villains are opening for 3x or larger, and there are also limpers which mess up the strategy.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:14 AM   #1094
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I'm continuing my work on postflop play in 3bet pots and one of the things I've been doing is running hands them through Snowie postflop just to check it's advice.



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Old 12-13-2017, 06:21 AM   #1095
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Old 12-14-2017, 01:53 PM   #1096
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I'm continuing my work on postflop play in 3bet pots and one of the things I've been doing is running hands them through Snowie...
I think that score is impressive, as the bigger pots create scope for making big blunders, but sample size is obviously a thing, as you've noted. You can be ET-rated after 12 hands (or even 50), but if you make a blunder on the next hand, the error rate can jump to 35 and it will call you a beginner!
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:36 PM   #1097
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I think that score is impressive, as the bigger pots create scope for making big blunders, but sample size is obviously a thing, as you've noted. You can be ET-rated after 12 hands (or even 50), but if you make a blunder on the next hand, the error rate can jump to 35 and it will call you a beginner!
Yeah it's very easy to go to this

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Old 12-15-2017, 01:48 PM   #1098
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I need to get back to doing some work on my 3betting postflop. I try to do this sort of thing at work as when I'm at home I'd rather be playing than studying, or doing something else non poker related. Unfortunately I can't do the Snowie stuff at work though.

My brain is a bit frazzled as I'm try to pull together different things and try to create a sort of combined strategy and sometimes the different things I'm looking at are pulling in different directions. Basically I've been looking at the following:
1) Population results in terms of folds on different boards
2) Some range work I've done using flopzilla
3) Snowie
4) A small flop cbet strategy that I've sort of pulled together from reading various sources (and the turn play following this)

I'm actually wondering whether I should just maybe get a couple of coaching sessions as a possible shortcut or just keep beavering away on my own and maybe bringing the deeper knowledge (or maybe not!) that comes with working out something on your own. Meh, I'm still not sure.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:43 AM   #1099
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Haven't looked at my graph this month, which is probably a good thing. Definitely dropped a good few buy ins last night (stacked on the very first hand QQ<<<KK) and my last few sessions seem to be going the same way as this one



Least favourite hand of the day. Should be betting the river, just as well I didn't.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

SB ($24.75)
BB ($28.16)
UTG ($26.48)
MP ($28.92)
CO ($35.22)
Hero (Button) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, CO calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.35) 2, 2, 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.56, CO calls $2.56

Turn: ($10.47) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

River: ($20.47) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $20.47 | Rake: $0.92

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What is your logic for not jamming?
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