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06-26-2017 , 08:32 PM
I wouldn't pay attention to Snowie's preflop game at all. The postflop side of Snowie can teach some nice concepts, but the preflop, however, will get you into some pretty bad habits!
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06-26-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
I wouldn't pay attention to Snowie's preflop game at all. The postflop side of Snowie can teach some nice concepts, but the preflop, however, will get you into some pretty bad habits!
would like some clarification on this! what's wrong with snowie's preflop stuff?
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06-26-2017 , 10:06 PM
Snowie helped me a bit with my HU game. I think the bot that you play against is better than half the players you come across starting tables.
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06-26-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by laalaa1
would like some clarification on this! what's wrong with snowie's preflop stuff?
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Originally Posted by HorsePower
Snowie helped me a bit with my HU game. I think the bot that you play against is better than half the players you come across starting tables.
Snowie's Preflop game (ring-wise) is far tighter than what is correct (at least vs humans) - it advocates some pretty insane folds, some are even lol-worthy imo.

I cannot speak for HU, however I'd imagine the HU aspect to be considerably better, as that's always going to be the case with solvers.
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07-02-2017 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
Snowie's Preflop game (ring-wise) is far tighter than what is correct (at least vs humans) - it advocates some pretty insane folds, some are even lol-worthy imo.

I cannot speak for HU, however I'd imagine the HU aspect to be considerably better, as that's always going to be the case with solvers.
It's play is very weak versus limpers as well. It seems to think limping ranges are fairly strong whereas it'll usually be fish with weak holding at these stakes.
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07-02-2017 , 07:35 AM
Graph for the month is pretty damn poor. Just couldn't seem to get any traction at all this month.

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07-07-2017 , 05:41 PM
Hmmm, think there's a downswing coming. The signs have been there in recent sessions with everything that could go wrong.....going wrong. There's not a single part of my game that's immune to it.



Time for a beer.
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07-08-2017 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Time for a beer.
....good idea...
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07-13-2017 , 05:30 AM
Just a quick update. Normally I'd have posted a graph on the 10th of the month but I'm running terribly and at the moment I just don't wanna see how much I'm down. I'll obviously post the graph at some point but for now it's best I don't see it.

It's looking like it will continue for now, just started a session and within my first 15 hands I've flopped trips and lost to a runner-runner boat, flopped a set and had to fold the river when villain shoved after it ended up 4 to a straight and had to fold another river with an overpair when the turn and river brought 4 to a flush and villain shoved. All 3 hands were against fish.
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07-13-2017 , 06:59 AM
What do you play nowadays? if i may. Format and stakes.

Best of luck
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07-13-2017 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeTeeOhh
What do you play nowadays? if i may. Format and stakes.

Best of luck
25nl 6max. Switched to 6max last year, wish I'd done it sooner.
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07-13-2017 , 09:43 AM
Are you looking to move up soon? Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it appears you've been beating 25 quite well over a significant sample based on monthly updates.
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07-13-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wj294
Are you looking to move up soon? Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it appears you've been beating 25 quite well over a significant sample based on monthly updates.
If I'd kept winning I would have but last month was break even and this month is going to be terrible.
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07-14-2017 , 07:16 AM
Only a short 500 hand session but, ugh




Single tabling Russian. No hands on him

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($35.03)
SB ($25)
BB ($36.16)
UTG ($25.35)
Hero (MP) ($26.03)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.63, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.99, Hero calls $1.36

Flop: ($4.08) 6, 3, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.37, BB calls $1.37

Turn: ($6.82) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.26, BB raises to $9.25, Hero calls $5.99

River: ($25.32) A (2 players)
BB bets $23.55 (All-In), Hero calls $13.42 (All-In)

Total pot: $52.16 | Rake: $2


BB had 6, 6 (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero had A, Q (two pair, Aces and Queens).
Outcome: BB won $50.16

Can't be folding tptk in a 3bet pot against an unknown but the river bink definitely sealed it.

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In better news though I've booked up for a few nights in Rome next month. I've been before and it's a great city so I'm looking forward to going back.

Last edited by Husker; 07-14-2017 at 07:33 AM.
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07-14-2017 , 07:53 AM
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Can't be folding tptk in a 3bet pot against an unknown but the river bink definitely sealed it.
That's a terrible thought process there dude. You are basically saying this hand is a cooler and it just isn't. Given your hand is an out and out bluff catcher on the turn, with a board that has very few semi bluffs available (not even the nut flush) and no realistic 2p, on the turn his line screams set and you stationed it. The ace on the river changes very little (imo, nothing) btw.

That might read a bit harsh, but you'll thank me for it.

Also you would got more out of this hand post if you had not revealed the outcome.

Enjoy Rome though

edit, just ran this through equilab including the possible diamond semi-bluffs on the turn. You have 19% equity against his whole likely turn raising range

Last edited by Fatboy54; 07-14-2017 at 08:15 AM.
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07-14-2017 , 08:20 AM
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07-14-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
That's a terrible thought process there dude. You are basically saying this hand is a cooler and it just isn't. Given your hand is an out and out bluff catcher on the turn, with a board that has very few semi bluffs available (not even the nut flush) and no realistic 2p, on the turn his line screams set and you stationed it. The ace on the river changes very little (imo, nothing) btw.

That might read a bit harsh, but you'll thank me for it.

Also you would got more out of this hand post if you had not revealed the outcome.

Enjoy Rome though

edit, just ran this through equilab including the possible diamond semi-bluffs on the turn. You have 19% equity against his whole likely turn raising range
I'm gonna disagree with this. Single tabling fish do not have the ranges we have. He's raising a different range pre and then they like to play tricky postflop as they think that's what poker is all about. He could easily have Qx or some random hand here. It's a big mistake to assign the ranges a reg would use to them.

Here's another hand against the same villain. What's his range on the river? (ignore my terrible bet sizings in the hand for now )

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($32.59)
UTG ($26.70)
MP ($71.28)
Button ($25)
Hero (SB) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.45) 7, K, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.51, MP calls $2.51

River: ($10.27) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.91, MP raises to $10, Hero ?
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07-14-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
That's a terrible thought process there dude. You are basically saying this hand is a cooler and it just isn't. Given your hand is an out and out bluff catcher on the turn, with a board that has very few semi bluffs available (not even the nut flush) and no realistic 2p, on the turn his line screams set and you stationed it. The ace on the river changes very little (imo, nothing) btw.

That might read a bit harsh, but you'll thank me for it.

Also you would got more out of this hand post if you had not revealed the outcome.

Enjoy Rome though

edit, just ran this through equilab including the possible diamond semi-bluffs on the turn. You have 19% equity against his whole likely turn raising range
+1

plus a straight is also very possible.
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07-14-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Can't be folding tptk in a 3bet pot against an unknown but the river bink definitely sealed it.
I based my analysis on an unknown (your words). I missed the single table bit, which if you then play villain as fish changes everything.

For the record, I think the single table thing might be a tad overdone here (I always single table BTW, but I hide count as you would expect) and I'm not sure even if villain is erring towards fish it changes things that much, given the board and your equity.

But none of this is argument...i just didn't pick up you thought villain was fish

Time to move on...get crushing dude.

As to the second hand, as you've told me he is fish and therefore prone to spazzing, he could have anything....doesn't matter does it, you only need about 16% equity to call, so you're never folding.
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07-14-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
I based my analysis on an unknown (your words). I missed the single table bit, which if you then play villain as fish changes everything.

For the record, I think the single table thing might be a tad overdone here (I always single table BTW, but I hide count as you would expect) and I'm not sure even if villain is erring towards fish it changes things that much, given the board and your equity.

But none of this is argument...i just didn't pick up you thought villain was fish

Time to move on...get crushing dude.

As to the second hand, as you've told me he is fish and therefore prone to spazzing, he could have anything....doesn't matter does it, you only need about 16% equity to call, so you're never folding.
Yeah the single tabling part's important, that's why I mentioned it. I tend to think if someone is playing a single table then it's safe to assume they're a fish as that's the case the vast majority of the time. Waiting to get a decent hand sample against them just means giving everyone else at the table a chance to grab their monies first.


As for the second hand, he had Ts7s
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07-14-2017 , 12:25 PM
It should be very important to note however in each of those hand samples villain's aggression is very different.

Do not get caught up in hand 2 as justification for a wider range in hand 1.

imo
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07-14-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
It should be very important to note however in each of those hand samples villain's aggression is very different.

Do not get caught up in hand 2 as justification for a wider range in hand 1.

imo
My reason for posting the second hand was to make a point about ranges.

I was making the point earlier that the range Fatboy had assigned to villain and the equity he had given me versus that range was incorrect as fish will be a lot wider. In the second hand we can probably give the villain a few reasonable bluffs, even though the population underbluffs this spot at 25nl, but I'm pretty certain Ts7s is unlikely to be in any of the possible ranges we'd assign to him. If he's bluff raising that and we assume he's doing the same with gutshots, flush draws and other possible random hands then it shows just how wide he is and how difficult it is to assign a range to him.
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07-14-2017 , 06:15 PM
Finally worked up the balls to have a look at my results for the month



Thankfully rakeback should help me out of the hole a bit. Oh wait...
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07-14-2017 , 06:54 PM



with that graph you might trick amayas new reward system bot to give you a thousand $ /rigged
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07-15-2017 , 05:48 AM




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