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05-04-2016 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Be careful to max explo in J9 type spots.
explo?
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05-05-2016 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
explo?
Exploit.
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05-05-2016 , 03:17 AM
I'm not a huge fan of flatting 3b's oop 100bb deep in any situation. Getting into a check and guessing game while having 0 FE against overpairs is just too hard a situation to show a profit. I get that you were frustrated, but c/r'ing any piece of the flop because you don't want to check and guess is lighting money on fire. The 966 is a trivial c/c on the flop and you are going to be in a lot of tough spots on turns/rivers. That's the nature of playing 3bet pots OOP. But at 100bb depth you don't have to!

I would adjust against a guy over-3betting the sb by 1) minraising - his 3b's show an immediately lower profit when you fold, 2) opening fewer hands - if he keeps 3betting the same frequency you're going to have stuff way more often 3) 4betting more (with intention of getting it in wider against some, and 4betting/folding everything against people who wimp out once 4-bet)

Anyways, if you start minraising sb's their adjustment should be to stop 3-betting like crazy and start calling ATC, but people suck at adjusting from their defaults especially the lower you play
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05-05-2016 , 04:50 AM
I think in terms of the options in that spot, I'm not really keen to min open as we're encouraging him to call almost 100% of his range and abuse us postflop.
Definitely reducing my sb opening range against him.
4 bet bluffing is something that I actually do more than most as it works really well but in this case villain doesn't really fold much to 4bets. Opening up my value range is definitely a good option and something I need to work on. It takes me out of my comfort zone but that's gonna happen.

I suppose the final option is to move table but you'll never learn if you do that.
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05-05-2016 , 10:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Exploit.
Boy I bet you saved an awful lot of time shortening the word exploit to explo.
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05-05-2016 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Boy I bet you saved an awful lot of time shortening the word exploit to explo.
approximately eighteen seconds

you cannot fathom how hard it is to type with big stubs for fingers like mine
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05-05-2016 , 03:03 PM
Ex. from today. V is an agro reg 3-betting sb to big blind 20%. Do I love getting TT in pre? Not really. But against this guy it's a must.

A 5b light all-in range contains a lot of small pairs and AXss hands and of course all AK. TT is doing fine against his range. Better than calling OOP and having to c/c c/c c/decide whenever I don't have a set.


    Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37326525

    BB: $126 (126 bb)
    BTN: $106.93 (106.9 bb)
    Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
    BTN folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $8, Hero raises to $22, BB raises to $126 and is all-in, Hero calls $78 and is all-in

    Flop: ($200) 4 5 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($200) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($200) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $200 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 4 5 8 Q 3
    BB showed 7 7 and lost (-$100 net)
    Hero showed T T and won $198 ($98 net)



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    955,465,632 games 0.000 secs 191,093,126,400 games/sec

    Board:
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 43.849% 43.10% 00.75% 411784056 7178244.00 { 99+, 55-22, A7s+, AKo }
    Hand 1: 56.151% 55.40% 00.75% 529325088 7178244.00 { TT }



    If he flats the 4-bet going with it whenever I have an overpair. Not necessarily folding to 1 barrel when I don't flop on OP. But probably starting with a check.
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    05-05-2016 , 04:46 PM
    ^^do you mind me asking what your SN is? I daresay we've played (unless you're on Party NJ).
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    05-05-2016 , 05:19 PM
    I really need to grow some balls in terms of having a lighter value range in this spot.

    Funnily enough though I was looking at a reg a couple of days ago who 4bets 50% on the button against resteals and has folded to 7 out of 8 5bets in that spot. I actually 3bet him a couple of times with small pocket pairs hoping he would 4bet and I could shove but it hasn't happened yet. I was looking forward to posting the hh on here when I done it (sad though it sounds )
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    05-05-2016 , 05:27 PM
    Graph for the day



    Terrible start with some horrible run outs, quite a few 4 to a flush and 4 to a straight when I had 2 pair etc and then things improved at the end. Would be nice to get a little momentum going now.
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    05-05-2016 , 06:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    ^^do you mind me asking what your SN is? I daresay we've played (unless you're on Party NJ).

    Party nj
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    05-06-2016 , 08:35 AM
    Thoughts required on a couple of hands:

    1) Opener is a fish who is playing 53/31/12. He's been 3bet 20 times and has folded twice and called 18 times. Feels dirty folding.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    Button ($13.72)
    SB ($25.85)
    Hero (BB) ($43.43)
    UTG ($18.43)
    MP ($21.32)
    CO ($25)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
    UTG raises to $0.62, MP calls $0.62, 1 fold, Button calls $0.62, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.40, UTG raises to $7.25, 3 folds

    Total pot: $8.14 | Rake: $0


    2) Villain is a 69/36/5 whale (over 105 hands). Caller is a 26/21/9 reg. Normally I'm betting the turn again but I'm concerned about value towning myself against the reg. Thoughts?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    UTG ($25.43)
    MP ($47.66)
    Hero (CO) ($44.61)
    Button ($25.83)
    SB ($42.42)
    BB ($28.39)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 10
    UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.75

    Flop: ($3.25) A, 2, 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB calls $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

    Turn: ($8.05) 5 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: ($8.05) 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80, 1 fold

    Total pot: $15.65 | Rake: $0.78

    Spoiler:

    UTG had 4, 7 (straight, five high).
    Hero had A, 10 (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: UTG won $14.87




    And then just a couple of hands from this morning. Posted for theraputic reasons

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

    MP ($25)
    Hero (Button) ($25)
    SB ($33.92)
    BB ($13.60)
    UTG ($25.59)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 10
    1 fold, MP checks, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.85, 1 fold

    Flop: ($2.55) 2, K, 10 (2 players)
    BB bets $2.55, Hero raises to $6.50, BB calls $3.95

    Turn: ($15.55) A (2 players)
    BB bets $6 (All-In), Hero calls $6

    River: ($27.55) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $27.55 | Rake: $1.37


    Hero had K, 10 (two pair, Kings and tens).
    BB had 10, A (two pair, Aces and tens).
    Outcome: BB won $26.18



    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

    Hero (Button) ($36.31)
    CO ($17.59)
    SB ($45.69)
    MP ($23.35)
    UTG ($27.04)
    BB ($27.53)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
    UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises $1.50, 3 folds, CO calls $1.25

    Flop: ($3.60) A, 10, 7 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $2.37, CO calls $2.37

    Turn: ($8.34) 9 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $5, CO raises to $13.72 (All-In), Hero calls $8.72

    River: ($35.78) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $35.78


    Hero had K, A (one pair, Aces).
    CO had 10, 9 (two pair, tens and nines).
    Outcome: CO won $34



    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

    Hero (Button) ($42.37)
    MP ($25)
    SB ($25)
    BB ($23.52)
    UTG ($35.04)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
    1 fold, MP raises $0.62, Hero calls $0.62, SB raises $2.87, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.35

    Flop: ($6.81) 5, 2, 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

    Turn: ($13.81) J (2 players)
    SB bets $7, Hero raises $20, SB calls $11.53 (All-In)

    River: ($50.87) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $50.87


    Hero had J, J (flush, Jack high).
    SB had 9, A (flush, Ace high).
    Outcome: SB won $48.33


    Only reason for posting this one is for lols at villain. I wonder what his value raising range is?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

    SB ($31.74)
    Hero (MP) ($30.27)
    CO ($27.16)
    UTG ($39.81)
    BB ($25)
    Button ($48.22)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A
    1 fold, Hero raises $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.60) A, 5, 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.12, BB calls $1.12

    Turn: ($3.84) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB calls $2.25

    River: ($8.34) 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB calls $4.50

    Total pot: $17.34


    BB had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
    Hero had Q, A (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: BB won $16.48
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    05-06-2016 , 08:45 AM
    I'm shoving the AK for sure, fish can randomly just have AQ here. Sample isn't big enough to make solid enough assumptions to fold.

    I like the AT vs that vpip/pfr, just too good of a hand to fold. More so because reg reg checked turn and river which leads me to think he's folding most of the time.
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    05-06-2016 , 08:56 AM
    Yeah I'm not folding AK vs a 70bb stacker, even more with his pre stats this is a fine spot to jam

    AT looks ok but I think barreling turn with the whale in there is more appealing, then we can x back river instead
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    05-06-2016 , 09:15 AM
    AK: I know the fish "don't pay attention" but if you haven't been pounding on him or winning pots against him I think a fold is okay. If you've won any hands recently against him and think he can spaz then not folding. Also click it back soooo strong from fish.

    AT: if I want 2 streets and I'm ip I like to 2 barrel. If reg calls 2 you're probably beat but no big deal
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    05-06-2016 , 09:19 AM
    folding AK is absurd
    AT I bet turn, if we're HU against reg it's a weird merge and we expect to lose money relative to checking when fish folds and reg calls, but tbh I think we can go for three streets against the fish which should happen much more often
    KT I assume BB is a fish, if so, fine
    AK I'm not too keen on your flop sizing - either play 2 streets or 3, but pick one or the other
    JJ fine, flatting turn would also be ok
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    05-06-2016 , 11:05 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
    I'm shoving the AK for sure, fish can randomly just have AQ here. Sample isn't big enough to make solid enough assumptions to fold.

    I like the AT vs that vpip/pfr, just too good of a hand to fold. More so because reg reg checked turn and river which leads me to think he's folding most of the time.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PandaLife
    Yeah I'm not folding AK vs a 70bb stacker, even more with his pre stats this is a fine spot to jam

    AT looks ok but I think barreling turn with the whale in there is more appealing, then we can x back river instead
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pokerarb
    AK: I know the fish "don't pay attention" but if you haven't been pounding on him or winning pots against him I think a fold is okay. If you've won any hands recently against him and think he can spaz then not folding. Also click it back soooo strong from fish.

    AT: if I want 2 streets and I'm ip I like to 2 barrel. If reg calls 2 you're probably beat but no big deal
    If I was running a bit better I would probably have got it in and taken my medicine if need be. It was the click back that had me concerned and that on top of the fact he's never 4bet swung it for me. I know there's only a sample of 20 but 18 calls and 2 folds is giving us a general pattern of his play here.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    folding AK is absurd
    AT I bet turn, if we're HU against reg it's a weird merge and we expect to lose money relative to checking when fish folds and reg calls, but tbh I think we can go for three streets against the fish which should happen much more often
    KT I assume BB is a fish, if so, fine
    AK I'm not too keen on your flop sizing - either play 2 streets or 3, but pick one or the other
    JJ fine, flatting turn would also be ok
    KT was a short stacked fish
    AK his stack size makes things kinda awkward. I think it's too big to go for 2 streets and too small to go for 3 with normal sizing.








    Cheers for the thought folks.
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    05-06-2016 , 06:42 PM
    Graph for the day:



    There's a KK>>>>>>AA in my favour in there.
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    05-09-2016 , 02:45 PM
    I don't know what the hell has happened but there are only 5 tables of 6max (25nl) running on Tilt at the moment and there isn't a single reg on any of them. Haven't ever seen anything like it before. Every pot is multiway etc
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    05-09-2016 , 04:05 PM
    I once had this feeling when i played poker when drunk.

    $hat myself for ages because i followed a couple of fish to a much higher level ..

    Took me 30 minutes to realize it was the play money tables.
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    05-09-2016 , 04:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hap_Hazard
    I once had this feeling when i played poker when drunk.

    $hat myself for ages because i followed a couple of fish to a much higher level ..

    Took me 30 minutes to realize it was the play money tables.
    You'd be rather gutted if you were up a few 'quid' at the time.
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    05-09-2016 , 05:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hap_Hazard
    I once had this feeling when i played poker when drunk.

    $hat myself for ages because i followed a couple of fish to a much higher level ..

    Took me 30 minutes to realize it was the play money tables.
    I...I..I don't think you should play poker drunk anymore Hap...
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    05-09-2016 , 05:36 PM
    It was crazy ... it was a $1k table a few years back and everyone was raising silly amounts preflop and over half the table would call.

    I just sat there thinking ..even if i get AA the chances of it winning was minimal ... was down about $500 when something twigged when HEM or PT was not picking up hands properly.

    I actually opened a thread as i was playing on a different forum and i had to apologize to everyone when i realized id made a schoolboy error .. lol

    In my defence ... i felt i was only tipsy at the time.

    Ill try and dig out the thread at some point.
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    05-09-2016 , 06:28 PM
    lol hap
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    05-13-2016 , 07:12 PM
    More carnage tonight.

    I done 2 things tonight that I normally never do and paid the price both times.

    1) I never normally 3bet KJo oop due to domination issues but I done it here as villain was folding a ton to resteals. Alas it wasn't domination that wasthe issue...

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

    BB ($33.43)
    UTG ($20.72)
    MP ($44.31)
    CO ($25.85)
    Button ($50.09)
    Hero (SB) ($25)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, J
    3 folds, Button raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Button calls $1.75

    Flop: ($5.25) J, A, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.90, Button calls $2.90

    Turn: ($11.05) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $6.63, Button calls $6.63

    River: ($24.31) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $12.97 (All-In), Button calls $12.97

    Total pot: $50.25 | Rake: $2.51


    Button had A, 3 (flush, Ace high).
    Hero had K, J (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
    Outcome: Button won $47.74


    2) Same reg as the hand above (25/21/9.3)

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    SB ($60.05)
    BB ($25.27)
    UTG ($78.84)
    Hero (Button) ($25.35)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
    UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($1.85) 3, 9, 7 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $1.29, UTG calls $1.29

    Turn: ($4.43) 3 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $2.65, UTG calls $2.65

    River: ($9.73) 8 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $5.83, UTG calls $5.83

    Total pot: $21.39 | Rake: $1.06


    Hero had A, Q (one pair, threes).
    UTG had 6, 7 (two pair, sevens and threes).
    Outcome: UTG won $20.33



    3) Here's the other thing I never do. Flat with a premium oop. Villain is a reg playing 22/19/9. Decided to try this as he's folding to 83% of 4bets.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

    Button ($36.60)
    SB ($25.37)
    BB ($79.19)
    Hero (UTG) ($25.35)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero raises to $0.75, Button raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.85) 2, 7, J (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $2.40, Hero raises to $7.40, Button raises to $34.35 (All-In), Hero calls $15.70 (All-In)

    Turn: ($51.05) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($51.05) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $51.05 | Rake: $2


    Button had J, J (full house, Jacks over twos).
    Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and twos).
    Outcome: Button won $49.05


    4) Same reg as the hand above

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    MP ($22.39)
    CO ($41.61)
    Button ($25)
    SB ($25)
    BB ($36.40)
    Hero (UTG) ($26.25)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A
    Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO raises to $2.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $2, 1 fold

    Flop: ($6.60) 4, K, A (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

    Turn: ($12.20) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

    River: ($24.20) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls $14.70 (All-In)

    Total pot: $53.60 | Rake: $2.68


    Hero had Q, A (two pair, Aces and sixes).
    CO had 6, 6 (four of a kind, sixes).
    Outcome: CO won $50.92



    5) Same reg again

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

    SB ($28.86)
    BB ($63.09)
    UTG ($22.64)
    MP ($25.26)
    CO ($10)
    Hero (Button) ($25.15)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 9
    2 folds, CO checks, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50

    Flop: ($7.35) 3, 8, 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

    Turn: ($15.35) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

    River: ($29.35) 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $12, Hero calls $10.65 (All-In)

    Total pot: $50.65 | Rake: $2.53


    Hero had 9, 9 (two pair, nines and eights).
    BB had J, J (two pair, Jacks and eights).
    Outcome: BB won $48.12



    6) Fish donating

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

    Button ($28.83)
    Hero (SB) ($26.59)
    BB ($25)
    UTG ($59.69)
    MP ($27.41)
    CO ($17.87)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
    2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, CO calls $0.95

    Flop: ($2.65) 4, 9, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.85, CO calls $1.85

    Turn: ($6.35) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $14.82 (All-In), Hero calls $14.82

    River: ($35.99) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $35.99 | Rake: $1.79


    Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
    CO had Q, 10 (one pair, tens).
    Outcome: Hero won $34.20


    7) Standard runout at the moment

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    MP ($25)
    Button ($36.03)
    SB ($68.68)
    BB ($42.71)
    Hero (UTG) ($25)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.60) 8, 2, 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

    Turn: ($4.80) 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($4.80) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $4.80 | Rake: $0.24


    BB had 7, 8 (flush, Jack high).
    Hero had A, A (flush, Jack high).
    Outcome: BB won $4.56


    8) Versus a fish (obv)

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    SB ($44.23)
    BB ($21.50)
    UTG ($33.47)
    MP ($30.77)
    Hero (CO) ($25.56)
    Button ($25.34)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
    1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, MP calls $0.85

    Flop: ($2.55) K, 8, Q (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.70, MP calls $1.70

    Turn: ($5.95) 7 (2 players)
    MP bets $6.25, Hero raises to $22.76 (All-In), MP calls $16.51

    River: ($51.47) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $51.47 | Rake: $2.57


    MP had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
    Hero had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
    Outcome: MP won $48.90



    Graph for the day:



    Redline took a dive at the end as I had to bet/fold some rivers with strong hands (set, straight and tptk)
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