Alright, so today I played a very low table count in an attempt to focus more/play a bit better. It worked well, my red line is always decent this way - although I do tend to get slightly distracted at times I think it is better for my overall game. Playing up to 10 tables of 100plo got me into some bad habits, especially since 200plo is less fishy in general and the little differences matter more.



Bit of a weird one, mulitway with aggro fish otb and sb flat is tight reg. I think with 2bdfd I could do some flop leading, but I checked since button likes to bet and I have sb in there too. Once the aggro profile checks back flop and bets turn I assume theres plenty of HH/draws in his range - hence river call. I dont think I should be betting turn myself on a heart, but I could be wrong?




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The TK3Q hand definitely checks the turn. You don't want to get popped by some flush/9874 combo draws and your hand already has showdown value.

I actually don't mind a flop lead if you have a leading range, since we're ahead of most AA/KK combos and if he pots it will put tremendous pressure on the sb who has to fold pretty much all his two pair hands which have a lot of equity against us. I'm ok with getting it in on the flop against just the villain.

The question is what to do if the villain calls the flop and we brick the turn? A check looks super weak while our hand is too good to bet/fold against a turn repot. I think check/raising the turn becomes a real possibility because so few hands can call and we punish all his bluffs+weak draws and still have quite a bit of equity against AA if he calls. What exactly is he trying to rep anyway by betting when the 6 comes? 66? More than likely it's a draw or a weak two pair and therefore a good opportunity for us to turn up the heat.

Hey, Thanks for taking the time to respond my questions.
I think i will give the PLO mastermind a try to get the basics and standard concepts down, and when i got a good grasp of the game i will start to do some solver/Vision work myself.
About site choice: I play on Ps right now, in my opinion they have the best software and traffic by far. But the thing that they have no rakeback is kinda depressing. I could play on the Ipoker network with a good german deal getting about 36-50% ( 50% with first deposit bonus included). Do you have any experience with ipoker? how do you find the games there?
What´s about ggpoker? Do you play there? I think they are a shady company and you payyyy so much rake is unreal, and as possible winning player you get very low rb (pvi system) and risk to be banned without reason.

I really like this analysis, turn XR after flop leads sounds like a solid play. I do have some leads here on the flop but not as many vs this specific guy since he was more of the maniac profile (although this hand is probably an ok lead), I prob check more nutted hands than usual here since I expect more betting than normal.

Hey, yeah that could be a good route to go down for the basics for sure. PS has the best software, but it depends on what your goals are. If you want a clean user experience with no rakeback (which I think is important at lower stakes) than go for it Otherwise yeah those other sites sound good - apart from GG I dont play there for the reasons you mentioned. Just deposit somewhere where there is traffic with a good deal, play like 5-10k hands evaluate how it is and how much rake you pay/get back and go from there.


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Been getting in some solid study lately, and got in a reasonable amount of hands in today. No real interesting spots to look over for once.

I don't think I agree with having a leading range here. Maybe small one but if BU is an aggressive player then we have much more incentive to check our strong hands to get a x/r in, as we are more likely to face a bet and in my experience, aggressive players often take mergy lines rather than "bluffing" with actually good bluff candidates.

Is this hand a good lead candidate? I think you answer it yourself:

For me, I personally like the x/c line the most otf. Also consider that x/r turn is almost never going to be good here without a flush blocker.

Not too certain how to play this hand when we face certain lines but that's just some of my thought process

You're forgetting this hand starts off with three players, not HU. A flop lead helps isolate the maniac and builds the pot in a pretty good spot. It also takes down the pot on the flop sometimes. A lot more reasons to love than to hate this lead.

If we are MW, our lead frequency will be even less than HU on these dry broadway flops (QJ2r 8% lead BBvsBU). Also, consider the fact that if our opponent is aggressive, then we have more incentive to protect our checking range and prefer to x/r strong hands rather than lead.

SB is supposedly tight and will likely interact well with this board also.

Isolating ourselves vs a maniac with a hand that struggles on late streets vs aggressive as it is medium-strong is a recipe for a lot of tough decisions

I think there is good arguments for both, one being more exploitative and the other more theoretically sound imo. I took what I think to be the latter in this spot, but NoControl's line is fairly creative and I cant see it being bad either. If we expect villain to stab a lot then checking is surely fine since we have a reg in the mix too who could also put us in tough/unwanted situations (ie we get to see what the reg does).

@f1tz, why do you think turn xr we prefer flush blocker? do we not want him to have fd combos which we are beating/charging with that line? - just a thought.

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Month is over for me, turning one year older tomorrow+ rest day anyway. Played another solid session today and won a little bit. All in all, not great volume this month and definitely found my B game for about half of it - which im working on.

around $4,500 thanks to that second line



rec going for it



vs very wide rec pre, think its ok with plans to jam river if it bricks



gl all closing the month

I think 9JAK hand is supposed to check the turn especially when you have the K flush blocker. It makes it more likely his range doesn't contain any high spade combos, so more likely that his flop call is not a draw. Your turn bet also looks kind of suspicious because AA is mostly checking there and that's what you were repping preflop.

Personally I'd check the turn and bomb the river if checked to, because that looks like a believable AA line. He may also donk the river with his value hands and save us a ton of money.

As far as jamming the river if he just calls on the turn:
the board is already nut-locked so a call on the turn is not likely to be from a weak draw, but a made hand. If we get called on the turn then we're probably getting called on the river.

Another reason why I'd be hesitant about tripple-barrelling in that spot is the board is so disconnected from our perceived range and we're so polarized that the villain may decide to look us up with any overpair or even the top pair. A decent spot for him to bluff-catch especially if you two have a history.

Congrats on another solid month and being a year older!

Hey man, initially i thought the same holding the Ks and you may be right but after thinking about it I dont think it blocks enough of his draw/weaker range to fire and make him fold over multiple streets, theres still lots of overpair+ straight or flush draw which I think we can make fold.

I also would bet AA more than check on the turn as I want to charge his wide range pre (probably also vs most regs), need to have a look at solver but I thought it was standardish, might be wrong

Generally I think he goes call call a lot with draws/mid strength hands and folds river, but could be wrong. Thanks for the wishes!

@NC just had a quick look. Hand was bothering me needed to check haha. Looks like we are firing turn here pot or half pot. (this is for btn v utg and slightly different board, dont have time to Monker it now).



and just about all AA is betting as assumed, I think its pretty standard tbh.

Happy birthday bro!

some interesting points being made in regards to the earlier hand

"@f1tz, why do you think turn xr we prefer flush blocker? do we not want him to have fd combos which we are beating/charging with that line? - just a thought."


Can seem counter-intuitive but having a flush blocker reduces their continuing freq giving us more immediate fold eq. So I think having fd blocker > not having fd blocker. But x/r turn seems ambitious anyways.


Another solid month in the books! (but your a volume fish like me )

Keep crushing !

If you actually did have AA, are you folding it on the turn after having been check raised like that, or do you jam or would you rather see the river and get value from JJ-KK and fold to villain's nutted donks? Can we possibly have enough trips or AA in our range to balance out all our bluffs with no pair and no draw? Too easy to get exploited imo.

What about when you're deep-stacked with AA? Are you able to see if those numbers flip at 200bb or does the program prefer a turn bet regardless of the stack size? Seems like potentially a very high variance spot. Do these programs take rake into account or do they only care about +EV even if it will take several lifetimes to realize it?

Thanks for the input man, good point although its probably not so significant? and yeh its not a line I would take but seems creative enough to warrant discussion haha.

Yeah we are both volume donks, but not for long

Gl this month!

I do not agree with many points here man, but I do appreciate the discussion. I mean if we ever did check turn with AA folding river vs donk would be burning money, its very assumptive to say hes got value only. Fwiw the program is based on 100bb stacks like the hand is. Glgl

I hope my writing wasn't too confusing. The question was what do you do on the turn if you got raised like that while holding aces?

The other thing I said was if you like to three-barrel on paired boards then your opponent could exploit you by check raising 100% of the time because you never have enough value hands there.

My suggestion was to check the turn after he calls the flop and to bet the river. I didn't say you should always fold the river to his bet, but you now have that option.

Btw, when you or anybody else say you disagree with what I said I actually welcome that. I've spent the last decade developing a fairly low-variance style with insane win-rate, so I question things that print out of the computer when I have no idea how much of +EV those plays are after you count the rake. At the same time I'm willing to accept that I still play bad in some spots and would love to improve upon it, so don't worry about offending me.

Hey man, just caught up on the thread. Really cool run from the micros . I’m just making the switch myself from NL. Your run gives my inspiration that it’s still definitely doable to reach mid stakes from the micros. Keep up the good work man

To be honest that turn min XR seems like a spot where it wouldnt be bluffed very often if it all so I wouldnt mind a bet/fold with AA. Vs some very aggro recs or capable regs we are getting in some combos.

Well, put it this way - if you have developed a low variance style (which would show risk averse tendencies you will get run over by better players) this would mean that you would never really XR bluff me in a large spot like this.

"The other thing I said was if you like to three-barrel on paired boards then your opponent could exploit you by check raising 100% of the time because you never have enough value hands there."

XR 100% where? iv yet to encounter this type of player.

Thanks bro, gl and enjoy the journey!

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Alright got some good volume in, started playing more sites again. Ran many stacks below expectation but not going to rant about it.



got em



rec going for the high pressure play here



this **** annoying, hoping aggro regfish starts potting somewhere, cant even get my ev here lol

Month so far spectacular




summed up in one hand

Alright, had one of my worst swings since starting plo although it really isnt that bad - apart from the fact i lost everyday this month apart from today

I ended up taking a couple days resting to clear my head and played a bit of 100plo to get things going again. Hoping to turn things around soonish, i will probably stick it out at 100 for another week and then get back at it at 200.



Hands are basically tons of losing all ins, no point posting those.

Couple of days off always helps reset to come back fresh. Gl rest of month

youll be back in no time. lets goo

Yeah slow comeback initiated


Dropped down since last post to 100 but back at 200 from today booked a small win even though I won 4ish stacks pretty quickly and then got coolered by some donks. Iv been working harder than ever on my game and added HU to my studies and table selection which is good fun and a fresh perspective on strategy always helps.

in bbs this month



not as pretty in $ but its like 16 stacks at 100 since peak dip



got em



meh spot vs reg



few like this vs nut recs



glgl

I’m like 25 buyins under ev at 200 this month too, hope we run better. glgl for the rest of the month.

Thanks man, hope u catch some heat too!

battled hard today, still no momentum at 200

We trying to get him off FH?