People have said why should he get another chance when he cheated so many times before but in the end I think his second chance started when he came clean. A second chance isn't a second chance to someone who isn't trying to change their behavior. Its not like he came clean and then messed up and came clean and messed up over and over again. Since the time where he said he was gonna be legit, if there hasn't been any problem then this is his "second chance" and I think he should get it.

gramps is 100% right and the CM analogy fits and if you don't think it does you're a dolt. cheating like that is obviously one of the worst things you can do within the poker community just like CM is one of the worst things you can do in society.

you don't just get to say you're sorry and go about business as usual around people that you scammed. you can either do a ton of positive things to try to make up for the ****ty things you did, or you can keep quiet and go about your business, or you can deal with people calling you out for being a scumbag every time you poke your head out.

and lol @ people trying to get other people to lay off the guy. yeah, let's just forgive and forget every single person who apologizes after they do something scummy and not act like they ever did it. why would we even have a problem with ray bitar running a poker site again?

OP you did something horrible, you're sorry - that's good, but you still did it and you can't have a brain and still believe people shouldn't call you out on it. You did it, acting like everyone should forget means you aren't sorry because you aren't willing to deal with the responsibility of being the person who did it.

Sad to hear and some of the (huge) respect has surely been lost. He comes of as sincere and seems to truly regret his prior actions, though.
Not saying you should lay off the guy but at least do it in the original thread where it's much (much much) more appropriate.

Still wish you the best of luck btw. $inda. Cruuuush ‘em.

OP,

Do you or have you played the Super turbo's on Merge? If so, how well have you done given the different structures? And if not, have you ever considered adding them in considering you are probably a lot better than the majority of the HS regs over there

lol, where does he even suggest that the poker community do this


I don't know the OP and it looks like he did something incredibly stupid and deserves to live with the scammer status for a long time, but these strawman counters are annoying.

you are so SMRAT brah

why? you have to see the major flaw with going about things like that.
any situation which he stands to gain some sort of positive publicity or good standing with people who don't know his past is the right place to bring his past up.

hopefully this guy is born a new and would never ever do something scummy again - but if god forbid he decides to scam some people in the future it would be a good thing that more people were aware of what he's done before.

telling people to not talk about the negative thing you did in a thread which serves to gain you popularity in a positive light is exactly like suggesting they just forget about it and move on.

but yeah, strawman and cool internet meme spellings. you're such a cool guy. sorry for upsetting you.

There is a thread that he created in which he talks and details the stupid **** that he did. ASAICT he is not asking people ITT to forget what he did, but rather not to derail an otherwise positive thread in what is supposed to be a light and positive forum, PG&C.

It doesn't appear to me that he is trying to raise money, sell out a package or straight up scam people in this thread. If he were, I would at least understand bringing up some of his shady past to inform others of the potential danger. However, randomly interjecting into a thread something ******ed he did in the past, seemingly because he appeared to be getting too much "respect" from others is a little odd.

how do you get to sell action, sell coaching, or otherwise be in a position to get peoples money involved with you? by having some sort of good standing reputation, yes?
would you say a thread like this, where OP is posting about his success in the games, is a good way to build a good reputation for being a winning player? It seems so, based on the first few replies.

you can't put the connection together why people who (rightfully) think there is a possibility he does something shady in the future and want to make sure he doesn't scam anyone would want to post about his past in this thread? really?

Unfortunately in online poker no one prosecutes theft so the community needs to go out of it's way to make sure thieves are shamed. 2p2 should really give him an undertitle that says "cheater" or something like that.

^ yup.

that's the other thing, the guy flat out stole money straight from the average player, like you and me - he really should have been banned from playing at any poker site and faced criminal charges but that's not how it always works for online poker. and now some of you are acting like he deserves to be able to go about in the poker world around the same people he scammed and not be called out at every turn.

has he even tried to return any of the stolen funds? obv giving it back to players is impossible but if he was truly sorry i'd imagine he'd at the least offer to donate those "winnings" to a chosen charity or something.

OP should be hounded in every corner of the poker world he decides to rear his head until the end of time. End of story. If you idiot fanboyz want to keep slurping his nuts then so be it. But just know no one with integrity, and especially not those who lost money to this cheater, are ever going to let him re-invent himself this quickly and easily.

@ SiQ/suzzer
No point in arguing with you b/c you're actually right looking at the information available.
You guys already have around 30 posts regarding the matter ITT, though. Should 90% of posts be about that in a thread that should be a motivator and help people to be inspired to grind? People have been informed now - let's get on with the grind.
He's obv not going to pay anyone and prolly won't ask for shares etc. as he is staked. Scummy? - Yes, obv.

I'm not saying he's not going to scam again in the future but I guess that goes for everyone? I won't know what anyone would do in the future. For all I know you might scam me - it's impossible to know. It's actually possible to change ones way about things. Who says it's been easy though? There's obv no way to control whether it's truly happened or not thus making me look stupid for believing him.

Guess you're talking to me among others regarding "idiot fanboyz". Call me an idiotic fanboy or w/e you want - I don't care. Very mature btw.

That said, I obv. do sympathize with those who's lost money. Many has been scammed in the past. I've been there too. I've never felt the need to hunt down a person in every single thread he enters, though.

Gonna leave the thread for now as I'm helping derailing the thread which wasn't the point. Enjoy the roasting of $inda and his fanboyz.

If the community doesn´t police itself, no one is going to.

please do not lump me in with suzzer.
we made our points and then had to defend them because some posters (including you) were challenging us making them (or making them in here) which is really silly.

lol? so someone like Gramps who has a really long standing solid reputation with basically everyone including other members with long standing reputations is like just about as likely to scam you as a guy who has definitely scammed people before? yeah, i guess it goes for everyone.
I know that's not what you're trying to say but, I mean, ffs.

The community is much much stronger as whole if it ostracizes scammers vs. celebrating them. I have no idea why this is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.

Agree. The poker sites should do that too.

Maybe also one that says Raping Your Hyper Face off.

JESUS FKN CHRIST his results are filthy. I guess when you get to be in your 40's and you can't win but someone in their teens or early 20's can do it so easily you're going to be a little salty. It's understandable.

FTR, I don't think OP should be banned from Stars or anything like that. I think he should be able to grind there according to the rules like everyone else.

If you make mistakes and get caught, it's not like you should be disallowed from ever playing poker elsewhere. And it would be a slippery slope for one site to ban you for what you did years ago on another, even if Stars buys FT and has access to that data. Plus, I believe people that have gotten caught cheating on Stars have eventually been allowed back on under certain circumstances (though I could be wrong).

It's the idea that you can blatantly cheat many times (continuing to do it after being caught), then come back and be able to say "magic sorry words," and have it be okay and wrong to bring it up in a rep-building thread (read by a lot of newbs) like some posters are saying/implying - that's tilting. That should be brought up everytime someone is putting themselves out there, and if they're trying to do the right thing going forward just keep on keeping and do good. You're going to have to build a rep that includes your past transgressions.

Siq said it better than I did.

In the end the thread has been linked. You said he has to build a rep that includes his past transgressions. They are in here. But it doesn't have to be the whole thread and go on and on. Any newb can now read about it. He obv has talent playing hypers and that's the reason I read this thread. Not to be a "fan boy" or whatever but just because any info found here is relevant to the games I play.

"I'm not interested in having a discussion about this stuff in my thread. If anyone would like to have one or has any questions about the subject feel free to PM me."

Before I move on I just want to clarify a small part of my original reply to this topic. I am not going to dictate how anyone uses their time and energy in a thread. You are all within your rights to say what you will and I do not expect my past to be forgotten or pushed aside. I simply stated that I would not personally be partaking in a lengthy discussion here.

If anyone wants more information or to talk to me directly I will only be replying via PM. I don't want to take up excess space in this thread because doing so will become a distraction to everyone else that is not interested.

Yup! I never messed around with the 6 man hypers on there but I did play a decent bit of the HU hypers. I mostly played on Lock Poker under the sn moneyindabank111 and did decently well due to getting a good bit of coaching from some HU sickos ;]

I never went with the 6 mans because the structure didn't seem to allow for much of an edge and higher stakes games didn't seem to go off much.

I guess if the higher stakes games ran more I could consider it but I'm making a really good hourly just playing on stars atm. It's also very +ev to just have to focus on studying/playing one structure instead of two.

Hit the gym pretty hard today and then put in a couple of sessions. Lately I've been struggling to put in 2 hour sessions which is super weak compared to the two 3 hour sessions I was doing almost every day at the start of last month :[

I guess I just gotta keep working at increasing the time until I get back in my grove. Still been running pretty sour but I've only got a 1.7k game sample since the 200's came out which means literally nothing. Just gotta grind grind grind!

Today


Total 200's




Total games since 200's came out

tl;dr but <3 OP .)
gl

pretty sad that OP is still apart of the community, and he has some idiot fanboys.

Sucks when scumbags steal a bunch of money from people, and its also quite funny that bigbluff is in here defending him.


got a question for you bigbluff, what goes through your head when you were deciding to stake him? "oh, this kid is a huge scumbag and has stolen from a lot of people, i am sure he is over that pahse of his life. He was a young kid at that point, and he didnt know any better"...? then you send him what, 20k and pray you dont get scammed?


i wish backers werent always out for their bottom line, and they just didnt stake scammers. they should also out scammers a lot sooner when they are stolen from.

backing him is basically condoning what he did. you are in business with a person who stole a lot of money from the community, and it looks terrible for you (as a backer/business person).


The swings in the 200s will be much more than 20k btw. 20k will be normal swings in these things. esp in a few months.


I never like to see people get scammed, but i feel like bigbluff is just asking for it here. once a line is crossed, it becomes that much easier to keep crossing.