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im just saying about 75% of people hate their jobs and only do it to survive because its how theyve always earned their living. i wouldnt think it wouldnt be much different for poker players, except as i said the high stakes pros with big rolls. but the majority of the local vegas pros u see grinding either $1-2 or $1-3 every day? not so much.

02-08-2018 , 03:28 AM

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meale

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

i dont really think anyone is "happy" as a live pro, unless they play high stakes (along with the bankroll to afford it). otherwise u will constantly be feeling stressed, and will be never able to straddle, never able to afford a massage, always have to wait for the BB to get to u to use the restroom, always have to wait for the button to pass when first sitting down, etc.

to see others loaded with money and throwing it away foolishly while u are trying to grind out the $8-15 per hour u need to live it, (being its your ONLY income) and then to see them suck out on u while uve waited 2 hours to bet a hand, gets very emotionally upsetting and annoying. its one of the most stressful jobs there is. and it dont pay what it deserves. and its annoying to know the rest of the table dont care about the money.

u dont see the real world when playing poker. u see a lot of rich, spoilt entitled people with no respect for others. people talk on their cell, throw racks on the floor u step and trip over, but the second u go outside and ride the bus home, u see the real world where most are homeless, broke, and barely getting by paycheck to paycheck. walk down any main street in vegas such as maryland parkway, boulder hwy, etc. its depressing when sitting at the table and seeing how much better everyone else is financially than u, when u are so much smarter than them and know all the odds they dont know. its only when u walk outside and see all the rest of the poverty and are reminded u arent so bad off and 25% of vegas is totally dependent on the goverment to survive and earns less than $1000 a month, do u feel better about the $500-1000 per week u are getting in the $1-2 no limit.

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Originally Posted by baannii4

i mean if ur making minimum wage playing live poker then maybe it's not for you m8.

there's also heaps of other reasons people enjoy playing poker for a living

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

$8-15 per hour isnt minimum wage, and im at $18 per hour for 2018 so far. some of us who been out of the job market for 25 years and are only good at playing games and nothing else in life, dont really have any alternatives. if u dont get out of poker in the first 2-5 years of getting into it, its too late to get out.

think of the alternatives. either living on the streets pandhandling, which i did the 5 yrs before i started winning at poker, or working for half $18 an hour in a mc donalds somewhere. i think its best to play poker.

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

$30 an hour is the minimum I'd grind live for. And even then that's not much given expenses and variance.

02-08-2018 , 03:42 AM

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baannii4

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i'm sure you're a nice person and try not to take this the wrong way but i find it extremely selfish for u to come into this thread and pretend like ur experiences playing poker for a living are relevant to OP or anyone else reading

set your sights a little higher than 1/2 or 1/3 live, stakes that anyone with half a brain can climb out of with very minimal effort

it almost feels like you got into poker at an older age than most others and as a result u don't have the same energy or motivation to actually make something more of it

02-08-2018 , 03:42 AM

#1754

sevencard2003

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yes but here is reality. there is like 10,000 people who depend on playing poker for their living in vegas. (which is why its better do it in another city, like Shreveport or detroit, where others dont move to to make a living at it).

5,000 of them are in $1-2 $1-3 an average 1-2 per table, divided up among all of vegas throughout all hours of the day and night.

3000 of them in $2-5 or $5-10 NL earning about 2-3x as much. divided up among all of vegas, but since there is much less $2-5 tables going its about 4 people per table.

1000 of them playing nothing but tourneys and the other 1000 either online (who would still do it once pokerstars left the US and all the remaining sites suck i wouldnt know) or in higher stakes mixed and PLO games. and these earn about 5-10x as much per hour as the $1-2 professionals and are who most people want to become.

02-08-2018 , 03:53 AM

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sevencard2003

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also, in my defense, i had read NONE of the thread when i posted this, the only thing i read was the title which caught my attention when browsing

02-08-2018 , 04:00 AM

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baannii4

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

also, in my defense, i had read NONE of the thread when i posted this, the only thing i read was the title which caught my attention when browsing

imagine having the audacity to give life advice to somebody you haven't even bothered to read about just to selfishly validate your own ****ty experiences

02-08-2018 , 04:05 AM

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meale

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Lol where on earth did you get that 10,000 number from?

02-08-2018 , 05:40 AM

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Nefirmative

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People love to rationalise why they aren't successful.

02-08-2018 , 12:14 PM

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tellypl

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

u dont see the real world when playing poker. u see a lot of rich, spoilt entitled people with no respect for others. people talk on their cell, throw racks on the floor u step and trip over, but the second u go outside and ride the bus home, u see the real world where most are homeless, broke, and barely getting by paycheck to paycheck. walk down any main street in vegas such as maryland parkway, boulder hwy, etc. its depressing when sitting at the table and seeing how much better everyone else is financially than u, when u are so much smarter than them and know all the odds they dont know. its only when u walk outside and see all the rest of the poverty and are reminded u arent so bad off and 25% of vegas is totally dependent on the goverment to survive and earns less than $1000 a month, do u feel better about the $500-1000 per week u are getting in the $1-2 no limit.

Clearly this it not the case (being smarter LOL) if people are financially stable enough to spend the kind of money that losing at poker requires on recreation.

02-10-2018 , 05:54 PM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Ive done a lot of trading in my day. Stocks...options..all of it. I dont know anything about Bitcoin at all but I do know a trading mania when I see one. When stories about something are all over CNBC, you hear people at the grocery store talking about it, and soccer moms are getting in....its time to get out.

"Be greedy when others are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy"...Warren Buffet

IMO the current parabolic move in Bitcoin is being caused by the CBOE announcing that they will start allowing trading of futures on Bitcoin, which semi legitimizes Bitcoin.

But here's the thing. Once futures trading opens, the institutional investors are going to be making very large bets on Bitcoin which they cant do right now. There is just no way the big boys are going to be anything but short term bearish on Bitcoin and IMO, its going to implode very shortly when the hedge funds and mutual funds make their bets.

This is going to end badly. Bitcoin has already dropped ~80% like 5 times in the recent past and I see another 80% drop coming very very soon. At that point I will probably buy some with 2-3% of my portfolio. Right now I wouldnt touch it with my worst enemies money.

Bitcoin is down 53% since I posted this on 12/7. I sincerely hope you cashed a lot of your money.

02-10-2018 , 06:19 PM

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Brokenstars

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I cashed mine out at 10k

02-10-2018 , 06:24 PM

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Everest17

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Bitcoin is down 53% since I posted this on 12/7. I sincerely hope you cashed a lot of your money.

Come back in a year and quote yourself again.

02-10-2018 , 06:32 PM

#1763

Brokenstars

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Will defo go back up yh

02-10-2018 , 11:23 PM

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MikeStarr

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Will defo go back up yh

Maybe Yes, maybe No. The point was that if there was anything due for an imminent massive decline, Bitcoin was it.

02-10-2018 , 11:27 PM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Everest17

Come back in a year and quote yourself again.

I didnt say Bitcoin was dead or you should never invest in it again. I said to get out because it was gonna get slammed very soon and it did. I also said if it dropped 80% (which wouldve been to about $3500) Id be interested in buying. I exaggerated a bit. I will be interested in getting in under $6000.

So, quoting myself in a year really has no bearing. I was talking about short term.

02-10-2018 , 11:30 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by sevencard2003

its depressing when sitting at the table and seeing how much better everyone else is financially than u, when u are so much smarter than them and know all the odds they dont know.

There are plenty of poker fish who are life crushers. Some professional dude pulling down $250K+ may not have that sweet 3bet range all figured out but they invested their time wisely while ignoring poker.

02-10-2018 , 11:50 PM

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Evoxgsr96

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

Amen, same thing can be said about chess

02-10-2018 , 11:57 PM

#1768

Everest17

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

I find it truly astounding that you can speak so adamantly about basically everything you comment on. You must really take pride and trying to be right. Every post I see by you includes such absolute terminology of why something is bad or good. No wonder your thread is just full of whining.

02-11-2018 , 02:52 AM

#1769

LucasVienna

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

To be fair, I meet a lot of life fish at poker tables who have family connections or have blagged their way into a managerial position they don't deserve.

Money!=success for sure.

02-11-2018 , 06:22 AM

#1770

meale

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I got 80% of my position out at about 15k.

02-11-2018 , 06:44 AM

#1771

pontylad

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

I dont know anything about Bitcoin at all

Why even give advice or an opinion then?

02-11-2018 , 07:32 AM

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meale

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Debrief

I'm officially done with this thread! It's be an amazing ride and I've had a blast grinding the live scene for the past 8 months. It's time now though to make some money and the next chapter of my poker journey will unfold on my latest PGC: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...e-cash-1703899

Thanks to everyone who has followed and made this thread as much fun as it was. Please feel free to sub to the new one if you're interested in following me in 2018 or online poker.

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