If we're planning on check folding, should we even be raising the turn?

I'm concerned if we're allowing villain to realise his equity by giving him an unbelievable price on the turn to call. After you call i feel if hes stronger he'll raise here unless he's holding something monstrous like 44 etc - Very few rivers we're happy with

When you say "realise equity" that implies there's some type of drawing hand or something he could have here? On this turn, we either have close to no equity or almost all of it so I don't think we have to worry about him realising any equity. What hands does he have here that we need to protect against?

what range did you give him when he calls flop bet?

Sets, 88, TT, QQ, I posted what I thought his range was below the HH. Maybe some 98s/9Ts.

the problem with the hand is the turn was played really passively by you so our hand isn't defined to villain that well. also to clarify it isn't a blocker bet i got the positions mixed up but even then i think when you just call turn u need to raise this small river bet or bet out yourself. a lot of the money u make in live games is extracting as much value as possible and if villain does this with 1010, 98 etc you are losing a lot of money by flatting. there are also a lot of hands you lose to but i think you can safely reduce their frequency by reading into villains river sizing

in my experience 87s/89s/109s are always calling big iso here pre but this villain might not do this

Daily Update - Wed 20/12

Hours Played: 7.8
Profit: $655

Got KK in pre vs AA $450 deep and sucked out tonight which was superb. We were all cheering and fist pumping when I hit that king on the turn because it was vs the biggest sunrunner on earth and it was only cosmically righteous. Aside from that I played "okay". Couple minor close bluff catches and a missed cbet but apart from that, felt like I played fairly well even though I was incredibly card/flop dead.

Was supposed to see this girlie tonight but that fell through and has been moved to we're thinking Saturday? I could have just sulked and wallowed about this but glad I dragged myself to the casino and got a good session in instead.

Also spent the entire day Christmas shopping which was nice - got all of that done bar something for dad who is notoriously impossible to buy for.

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Tomorrow will be a pretty relaxed day - sleep in, gym, homegame. Just a normal work day before we get Friday off to party again!

Results have been good of late and hoping to continue this into tomorrow's session.

good stuff! keep up the good work.

just recently sold off a decent chunk of my crypto portfolio....the volatility recently has been insane and has made it less fun and too stressful. Not sure how often you check up on prices but last night (your morning) when Coinbase introduced BCH made me pull the plug on a big chunk.

He can have 56ss too... and occasional JT even though you double-block. Some guys will even show up with T6cc. I'm not psyched about letting a Broadway peel otr, club, gutters/bdfd getting there, or the 9 to pair etc. I guess it depends on stack depth and reads on both CO and the other guy. If you're starting the hand < 150bb eff and they mostly suck/splashy/too loose pre, I'd probably close my eyes and jam turn here mostly hoping to not get snap called by CO - live players are completely capable of tank calling it off here with A9, K9, and even stuff like T8. This includes live players you think are solid/nitty/whatever - they tend to all of a sudden explode in a weird spot, and you shrug and realize, yes, live players suck. You also have to consider that many people are incapable of slow-playing sets multi-way or in big spots, and they'll just put the min-raise in on the flop or whatever they do.

Completely exploitable, but my turn calling range here is going to be much stronger than my sigh-rip range.

Edit: I guess if you think CO if is a huge nit, it's sigh/fine as played. Can maybe even fold river tbh but I probably never do either to his sizing

Never folding JJ with that tiny betsize. We don't have to be good very often for it to be +EV

Yeah thanks for the comments guys!

Yeah the whole mood re Bitcoin has changed lately imo. Have a friend paying over $20 in transaction fees and it taking over 24 hours. It's so broken. I want to get out but I kinda want it to get back to at least 18-20k first!

Daily Update - Thurs 21/12/17

Hours Played: 10.5
Profit: $1,080

Fairly unhappy with how I played overall today. Pressed the wrong buttons in several pots I think and I have a bunch of hands to review. Was down like $1100 at one stage and then finished up at about 5:30am this morning somehow with a profit. When it got short handed with the rec players, after 10 hours they were extremely tired and just wanted to go home, so it was fairly easy pickings that deep into the session.

Hands quickly, game was a 2/3...

H1:

500 effective
UTG $15, call, call, hero $80 in CO w/ AJo, only UTG calls.
Flop: 66Tcc
xx
Turn: 5o
xx
River: Qo
x, hero bets $100
Notes: River bet yay or nay?

H2:

Very loose player (opening a lot and cbetting a lot small mw) opens $15 UTG, hero calls IP AhJd, call, call, 4 to flop.
Flop: QQ4hh
UTG cbets $25, hero calls, rest folds
Turn: 2o
UTG cbets $65, hero calls
River: 6o
UTG checks, we check behind
Notes: This is prob just unnecessary and spewy. Flop peel is prob fine to stab turn once he checks but when he barrels turn I think we should just sigh and find a better spot. The idea was to float to bluff but this guy said he'd have snap called river with his pocket 7s if I bet?

H3:

Whale playing ATC opens $15 UTG, hero CC J9cc IP, one caller
Flop: J84dd
UTG cbets $30, I call, fold.
Turn: brick
UTG cbets $75, I call
River: brick
UTG bets $150, hero ???

H4:

6 handed
UTG limps, hero $23 in CO w/ K8cc, BTN calls, SB calls, limper calls
Flop: 69Qcc
Hero cbets $65, BTN and SB call
Turn: Ao
Both with about $125-175 behind, I decide to rip it all in.
Notes: Don't haaate this hand since I THINK we might occasionally have some fold equity on this turn. Prob best to take the low variance approach and just x behind to try get a free card.

H5 (hand of the day):

Whale opens $20 UTG, hero makes it $75 in CO w/ AKo, UTG calls.
Flop: J64r
xx
Turn: Jdd
villain leads $65, hero calls
River: 8o
villain leads $175, hero ???
Notes: This is vs whale who is playing ATC and 0% f3b.

H6:

Limp, spazz makes it $25, SB calls, hero CC 98dd in BB, 4 to flop.
Flop: 342dd
xxxx
Turn $100: 2ddd
x, hero leads $70, only SB calls.
River $240: 2o
SB leads $110, hero ???

H7:

5 handed
Limp, hero limps BTN w/ 9dTh, SB raises $20, fold, hero calls.
Flop: K78hh
SB $30, hero calls
Turn: 6hhh
SB $50, hero calls
River: 7o
SB $125, hero ???
Notes: Villain is very tight overall and doesn't bluff much. For them to triple barrel here they really have to have a flush or some sorta boat. Kinda annoying though that it's a 5 handed meta.

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That's it folks. The hands are rubbish, feel free to berate me. I'm going to get some sleep now before we party it up tonight!!!

Results: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkK4doh8PHLEgk6pBpFJrgcokPKM

Not doing the hands, want to focus on this...

Your job as a live pro is exploit fish. Sounds like you did it well.

exploiting fish >>>>> technical accuracy, and it's not even close.

I lol my arse off at all the threads on 2+2 that bang on about running down other regs.

Who the **** cares about other regs if you are stacking fish....it's nuthin but ego bullcr@p

Good sesh wp....moar

OK, I'll do one as its hand of the day

H5 (hand of the day):

I bet flop. All. Day. Long.

As played meh, the EV must be pretty close.

Learning how to have an edge vs other regs will add to your overall ev. It's pretty ridiculous to say it doesn't mattter as long as you are stacking fish. Sure you can still have a positive and maybe even a good winrate by just being in soft games and beating the fish while losing some ev to the regs. But you should always be striving to have the highest winrate possible so thinking about the ways in which you can exploit other regs is definitely worthwhile. Not sure why you would be against both being able to exploit fish AND be technically proficient.

gl

i love when other regs don't know how to play vs regs

h1: prob just fold pre. if we are 3b this guy; i am barreling off on this board (esp if we have a club). river just rarely gets enough folds b/c he only has to call 1 medium sized bet to bluff-catch with a pair and we only rep AQ - instead when we bet flop/turn we are leveraging our stack for the same price

h2: 3b pre for value/iso if he's actually that wide - ap calling flop isn't great with 2 people behind us still left to act which is why cold-calling pre mostly sucks. ap just fold turn

h3: again i'd rather 3b or fold pre (depending a bit on our position). ap this one mostly comes down to reads so tough to say. what the turn/river bricks were are semi-relevant also

h4: the open is a bit light over an utg limper esp for that sizing. post-flop i think you played fine

h5: this one's tough

h6: fold pre to 8.3x open - ap fold river

h7: hate preflop - don't limp 5 handed and fold to the $20 open - post just call down; ig if he is super nitty/never goes for thin value or bluffs then we can fold river

H1: don't love the 3b, but understand why. Would bet flop small if 3bet. AP, fine.

H2: fold turn

H3: call

H4: pretty poor ISO, turn is fine as played.

H5: tough spot, fold

H6: cawl

H7: cawl

Def interesting hands!

I'm not sure either. Good job I didn't say this then

I don't really like any of these call ip hands which are likely to play multiway. You're not going to flop strong hands to stack off mw and you're unlikely to be able to bluff. If you wanna take stronger scs and decent offsuit Broadway's to the flop vrs a spaz I suggest a 3b to isolate. You can make strong stuff to stack off with and or win many pots simply by cbetting. Also your image will appear much more agro and you'll get more value when you have qq+.

As lame is it is, in live nl almost all your cold calling should be to set mine. If you wanna cold call looser you should exclusively do it otb because you'll have much better visibility and take down additional pots post.

H1 AJo. 3b is good, gotta bluff sometimes. Pretty clear 1/3 cbet 100% spot IMO. as played River bet is good. should fold out AQ/AK and maybe low PP. its hard for villain to defend at the correct freq the way this has played out

H2 AhJx

Fold flop and fold turn. Calling flop is actually significantly -ev . The fact is you dont have to defend much at all MW with 2 players behind, and its unexploitable. MW minimum defense freq is very very low, compared to HU. You can literally only continue with Qx + FDs here and that is "GTO"

H3 3bet > call pre. Whales play extremely poorly in 3b pots and you have position. im folding river

H4 The iso is GOOD. Dont listen to the nits, its very standard and going to be way ahead of a random limp range. Cbet smaller on flop. Looks like its around 70%, and it should be more like 25%. You really need to size bets down MW.

AP turn jam is good, they shouldnt have any Ax cuz of the huge flop size except NFD and it looks like a scare card even tho you cant have much Ax either.

H5 good call :P

H6 sigh call

H7 fold pre both times, call river

Look out below, Crypto

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I have to disagree on this one. I did a real good job of staying patient through a really bad card dead spell and then won all the money in the last 30 minutes of a 11 hour session. The positive was having the ability to stay disciplined for so long and for cooking the fish.

But there are definitely negatives too and these hands are a reflection of that. If I'm to improve, especially if I'm to make any money at 5/10, I'm going to have to do better. There won't be anywhere near as many spastics donating stacks that high up so as Tyman said, must be able to play good vs everyone.

I could sit back at the end of that session and be very happy/proud having been down 1k and finishing up 1k and for doing a great job vs the fish, but instead I can't help but be disappointed with it.

So this player plays just about every hand, calls every 3bet, and floats just about every flop. I felt as though if I cbet vs him, he'll just call and I'll have to give up since I have no equity basically. Vs these players, I don't want to put any money into the pot really unless I'm willing to go with it. Which is pretty silly because I prob don't need to be putting in that much money vs this guy on the turn and river with this weak of a hand.

My thoughts exactly. +1

Cheers for the hand reviews <3

As always, appreciate it mate. <3

Cheers bud <3

Yeeeaaah and tbh that's fine at 2/5 but I want to be prepared for harder line ups in the future.

Think it's a bit different when there's 2 whales on the table. Want to be playing as many hands as I can, but when no one is folding to 3bets, I'd rather 3b a more nutted range. Idea basically is to make the pot big after I make a strong hand and make the strong hand as cheaply as possible. Because there was no fold equity in this game last night. Not a drop.

Thanks mate <3