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08-28-2017 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
lol...

working thru Janda's latest book and I see he gives a shout out to Thinking Fast, Thinking Slow in it

Just to be clear...I'm not Janda in disguise

Spoiler:
...or am I
Saw that book this afternoon while browsing through the psychology section. I managed to convince a friend to get it at the very least!

Right now I'm looking further into stoic philosophy - I think this particular strain of wisdom carries over to mental game stuff very very nicely. The whole Stoic philosophy is basically one big mental game exercise.
08-28-2017 , 09:48 AM
Re: people exploiting you by opening 79o

They arent tho, they are exploiting themselves, for a few reasons.

The biggest reason is that they dont f23b. At all. So when you 3b TT+KQs+ or whatever (can be as tight as QQ+AK in live poker if you like), and they dont fold, you are exploiting their balls off.

The other night the entire table was needling me for how tight i was. I pick up AA otb. $15 ep, call, call, call, I $100, call, call, call.

Yes it is a bit sad how trivial live poker is but ask any online crusher what they would rather have, deep thought advanced poker or 4 way 20x raised 3 bet pots w/AA otb.

Also, and literally no one gets this, but there is a bit of complexity to live poker. The multiway dynamic of the game creates some interesting (exploitable) counter strategies, and I'd love to hear someone like Janda talk about them.
08-28-2017 , 10:02 AM
Sick comeback, good to see it didn't make you doubt your choice to play full time!

wrt the KTo hand I just fold it, live poker isn't about being unexploitable, it's about exploiting people more than they're exploiting you.
08-28-2017 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Re: people exploiting you by opening 79o

They arent tho, they are exploiting themselves, for a few reasons.

The biggest reason is that they dont f23b. At all. So when you 3b TT+KQs+ or whatever (can be as tight as QQ+AK in live poker if you like), and they dont fold, you are exploiting their balls off.

The other night the entire table was needling me for how tight i was. I pick up AA otb. $15 ep, call, call, call, I $100, call, call, call.

Yes it is a bit sad how trivial live poker is but ask any online crusher what they would rather have, deep thought advanced poker or 4 way 20x raised 3 bet pots w/AA otb.

Also, and literally no one gets this, but there is a bit of complexity to live poker. The multiway dynamic of the game creates some interesting (exploitable) counter strategies, and I'd love to hear someone like Janda talk about them.
Yeah, I'd love to hear more about mw spots in live games. That's all there really ever is. Tough to apply HU Strat to multiway pots sometimes.
08-28-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wj294
Sick comeback, good to see it didn't make you doubt your choice to play full time!

wrt the KTo hand I just fold it, live poker isn't about being unexploitable, it's about exploiting people more than they're exploiting you.
Thanks bro <3
08-28-2017 , 10:13 AM
Enjoying your thread since the beginning! Go on with it!

And congrats to your first month!

icho
08-28-2017 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by icho90
Enjoying your thread since the beginning! Go on with it!

And congrats to your first month!

icho
Thanks bud, appreciate your support!
08-28-2017 , 12:57 PM
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Yes it is a bit sad how trivial live poker is but ask any online crusher what they would rather have, deep thought advanced poker or 4 way 20x raised 3 bet pots w/AA otb.

Also, and literally no one gets this, but there is a bit of complexity to live poker. The multiway dynamic of the game creates some interesting (exploitable) counter strategies, and I'd love to hear someone like Janda talk about them.
fkn spot on...and apart from the odd home game, I don't get to play any live
08-28-2017 , 03:13 PM
[QUOTE=Avaritia;52765029
The other night the entire table was needling me for how tight i was. I pick up AA otb. $15 ep, call, call, call, I $100, call, call, call.[/QUOTE]

Lol @ this, so true. Yesterday me (the tightest super nit at the table) 3bet an EP open on the Button to $60 and we went *four*ways to the flop with all opponents having < PSB left.

It's getting to the point where I think I should only play AA/KK, and every other hand is simply a speculative one that I can play (or not play) in whatever manner I choose.

Also, congrats to OP for clawing his way back to positive.

GgoodluckG
08-28-2017 , 08:29 PM
Congrats on turning the month around! Big things coming up!
08-29-2017 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Lol @ this, so true. Yesterday me (the tightest super nit at the table) 3bet an EP open on the Button to $60 and we went *four*ways to the flop with all opponents having < PSB left.

It's getting to the point where I think I should only play AA/KK, and every other hand is simply a speculative one that I can play (or not play) in whatever manner I choose.

Also, congrats to OP for clawing his way back to positive.

GgoodluckG
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Originally Posted by HorsePower
Congrats on turning the month around! Big things coming up!
Ty fellas! Have a few hands I'd appreciate some feedback on later... Casino is ****ing dead. Almost not much point being here. Was just one table for a while. Then two of the biggest action players in Brisbane rocked up and it was good for a bit but they left and now it's **** again. Good news is no wait list this evening I guess. Here's hoping the game improves before I lose my mind
08-29-2017 , 02:03 PM
Daily Update - Sun 27 Aug 2017

Hours Played: 8.8
Profit: $42

Notes: Interestingly, 9 of my last 10 sessions have been wins. Feels pretty good. But I have noticed myself fervently sweating results mid-session which is pretty bad. Like I'd have been kinda annoyed if I finished $50 down instead of $50 up today. Which is oh so stupid because they're effectively the exact same thing. Only one's red and one's green. One is a baby step forward and one is a baby step backward. Need to be less results oriented when winning.

Very lucky to have gotten in 8.8 hours today. Suuuuuper happy with that. At about 11pm the table came within a whisker of breaking... we were playing 3 handed for a few orbits... I hated this idea but one of the players was a huge drooler and even though I'll be waaay over-folding in 80% of spots 3handed, I think I can still be profitable enough to stay in that game. Though it's definitely not ideal playing 3 handed with 10% rake. So I was about to leave and then we get a sudden influx of players and played 9-10 handed through til 3:20am. I was able to get out of the hole and post a puny win. Stoked. Ran fairly bad 3-handed and just folded a lot tonight. Missed a lot of flops.

The casino is so bad, such a shame - there's not many options early/mid week other than the cas though and I have to get the volume in somehow I suppose...

Anyway, a couple hands...

Hand 1


Limp limp, hero iso KK to $30, 3 ways to the flop.
Flop $90: 489
Hero cbets $70, fold, villain ($550-600 effective) in BB raises to $215, hero ???

Hand 2


Hero isos AJo in HJ over 2 limps to $25, CO calls, two other calls.
Flop $100: J83r
EP donk jams $75, hero calls, CO raises to $200, hero ??? (we're 600 effective w/ CO)

Hand 3

EP opens $20 w $275 behind, hero CC 88 IP, SB jams for $33, EP calls, hero calls
Flop $99: 932r
EP cbets $65, hero ???

Hand 4


Fish limps, hero iso to $25 in HJ w/ AQ, CO call, SB calls.
Flop $80: KQ2
SB ($500 ef) leads $35, hero peels
Turn $150: 7
SB leads $45, hero raises to $155 - We expect villain to be fairly weak when he leads this sizing twice. Kx is really his strongest hand, he doesn't have any two pairs rly (that we don't block) and he never leads flush draws otf imo. Hero is reasonably uncapped, can have all the flushes and decide to raise turn here to put a LOT of pressure on villain's Kx hands. $500 deep, he's not going to want to peel turn with sth like KJ without a club, even with J, he could be dead on the turn. We also have equity when called and aren't terribly worried about villain coming over the top on the turn.
Villain sigh folds.

Full Results & Graph: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkK4doh8PHLEgk6pBpFJrgcokPKM
08-30-2017 , 02:26 AM
Hand 1-Get it in imo, hands too strong to fold
Even if he's raising 44, all 2ps and only draws with at least 8 outs (that he has to call with now), we have about 39% against that range
In reality, hes probably stacking off with a 9 (this hand more dependent on opponent, could be a fold based on how tight he is)
Hand 2 I think you could find a fold, hes not gonna raise a Jack as theres nothing to protect against, and only really good players raise their draws in position
Hand 3I would Float flop, fold turn
Hand 4 Personally i dont really like bluffing with a hand this strong OTT. Especially as youre IP you can always turn your hand into a bluff OTR, but i guess its fine
08-30-2017 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by panetta23
Hand 1-Get it in imo, hands too strong to fold
Even if he's raising 44, all 2ps and only draws with at least 8 outs (that he has to call with now), we have about 39% against that range
In reality, hes probably stacking off with a 9 (this hand more dependent on opponent, could be a fold based on how tight he is)
Hand 2 I think you could find a fold, hes not gonna raise a Jack as theres nothing to protect against, and only really good players raise their draws in position
Hand 3I would Float flop, fold turn
Hand 4 Personally i dont really like bluffing with a hand this strong OTT. Especially as youre IP you can always turn your hand into a bluff OTR, but i guess its fine
Verry interesting feedback. Curious as to what others have to say about these too :')
08-30-2017 , 04:00 AM
I can't believe I missed your first month of this Meale! Been off the forums for a month or so but have read the whole thing this morning and so pleased you made it through the first month and dug yourself out of that hole. Keep up the good work, am definitely subbing and looking forward to following!

Every move you've made off the tables seems super +ev, unless you count sleeping with that Asian chick, one day you will wake up with her straddling you with a carving knife in her hands sacrificing you to Cthulu.

Can't wait for you to make it here to London, maybe a reconnaissance trip as a reward once you hit a certain profit total?
08-30-2017 , 04:24 AM
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I can't believe I missed your first month of this Meale! Been off the forums for a month or so but have read the whole thing this morning and so pleased you made it through the first month and dug yourself out of that hole. Keep up the good work, am definitely subbing and looking forward to following!
Thanks so much man, it's excellent to have you back and good to know you'll be sweating the ride!

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Every move you've made off the tables seems super +ev, unless you count sleeping with that Asian chick, one day you will wake up with her straddling you with a carving knife in her hands sacrificing you to Cthulu.
Hahahahah **** me dead. She asked if I wanted to get ice cream when she gets back from her psyc appointment? :')

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Can't wait for you to make it here to London, maybe a reconnaissance trip as a reward once you hit a certain profit total?
Mate I would absolutely love that. Unfortunately, a reconnaissance trip to London isn't the most covert of operations when it comes to the bankroll. At the moment, London is a loooong way off, waaay out on the horizon somewhere. It's still the end game and I'm still chasing it, but I have a whole lot of work to do in the meantime.

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What doesn't help is me having to fork out $50 tonight for these Brazilian chicks to clean our apartment. We were originally going to get them in about once a fortnight and alternate payments (my roommate and I), so it's not a lot in terms of a weekly expense, but it does add up. And what tilts me is that until last night (when I ****t the washing machine and got dirt all over the floors), I'd not contributed to any of the mess in the apartment. So in future, I may opt out of our little cleaner arrangement since I'm not the one destroying the kitchen and then going AWOL for 3 days. :') Really need to get my head down and figure out how I can stay on this $500 p/w budget if I'm going to make any financial progress over the next couple months.

No gym today, accidently set my alarm for 2:30am instead of PM so missed it by 3 hours. That's okay though, more or less due for a rest day. I'm going to wait for the cleaners to get here, then I'll head out, chase down some coffee, read my book for a bit, and go to the cas and play for a while. Not overly fussed about how much volume I get in tonight, because tomorrow, Friday, Sat, and Sun should all be homegames where I can really get some actual GOOD volume in. I only have another 11 hours to play between tonight and tomorrow to get my 40 hours in for the week which is nice. So I might start fairly late tonight, say 9-10pm, play til close, and then coast the last bit of volume in tomorrow.

Saturday night we've scheduled a "smashed Saturday" homegame which is due to start at 12pm Saturday and run until 12pm Sunday... Normal homegame except you're forced to drink - we're all going to be absolutely smashed. It will be hilarious and should still be +EV if I don't go too crazy. Unfortunately though, it's Father's Day on Sunday and I have lunch with the parents back in Cleveland so I will need to leave early and also need to go shopping for that at some stage - gg another $50 gone.

Financial Tracking


Think I will revisit my budget later tonight and see if I can't re-clarify things in my head. I've had a rough number of $500 which is fairly accurate but I want to actually begin tracking my spendings to make sure I'm not going overboard. This will also help me plan out what events I can go to like what tickets for gigs/raves I can afford etc. So I intend on doing a big enough write-up about that after tonight's session to really solidify how we're travelling spendings-wise. I have some cool ideas as to how best track and budget for this stuff and I look forward to sharing those with you guys later on!
08-30-2017 , 05:23 AM
I can send you a spreadsheet that I used to track expenses before I stopped caring if you want? I might even tidy it up for you and make some improvements because I want you to make it.
08-30-2017 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder
I can send you a spreadsheet that I used to track expenses before I stopped caring if you want? I might even tidy it up for you and make some improvements because I want you to make it.
Yeah man, flick it through if you don't mind? I'll definitely take a look at it. At the end of the day, I'll end up doing something fairly simple because my financial situation is fairly simple, i.e. I don't really have multiple sources of income or shares etc.

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I've just arrived at the casino at about 8pm, I'm 13th on the list. Could be waiting 40 mins maybe if they magically get another table up, but I'd imagine it'll be a substantially longer wait. Will give me some time to do some reading and relaxation and thinking though. Super relaxed day today where I really only need to play 3 hours or so, so no rush. I'll likely stick around longer if the game is half decent though.
08-30-2017 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Yeah man, flick it through if you don't mind? I'll definitely take a look at it. At the end of the day, I'll end up doing something fairly simple because my financial situation is fairly simple, i.e. I don't really have multiple sources of income or shares etc.

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I've just arrived at the casino at about 8pm, I'm 13th on the list. Could be waiting 40 mins maybe if they magically get another table up, but I'd imagine it'll be a substantially longer wait. Will give me some time to do some reading and relaxation and thinking though. Super relaxed day today where I really only need to play 3 hours or so, so no rush. I'll likely stick around longer if the game is half decent though.
Ping me your email and I'll send it through later today. Need to clean it up. Let me know if there is anything you'd want to change on it. It's really basic but I found it useful.
08-30-2017 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder
Ping me your email and I'll send it through later today. Need to clean it up. Let me know if there is anything you'd want to change on it. It's really basic but I found it useful.
Cheers brother, it's info@harveymeale.com <3

Also funniest hand just happened. With a player who looked like it was her first time playing. She called a river bet from someone, snapcalled, and then put her cards face down in the muck lmao. Dealer was nice about it and turned em up and let her win the pot.

Anyway limps to me in SB and I iso to $25 W AA, all folds but her, 998 flop I cbet 35, call, 9 turn, I cbet 65 again she calls, river 2, I jam for 100ish she calls, shows KJo and runs out the poker room. Almost felt bad, like a leopard praying on paraplegic hoofstock.
08-30-2017 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Cheers brother, it's info@harveymeale.com <3

Also funniest hand just happened. With a player who looked like it was her first time playing. She called a river bet from someone, snapcalled, and then put her cards face down in the muck lmao. Dealer was nice about it and turned em up and let her win the pot.

Anyway limps to me in SB and I iso to $25 W AA, all folds but her, 998 flop I cbet 35, call, 9 turn, I cbet 65 again she calls, river 2, I jam for 100ish she calls, shows KJo and runs out the poker room. Almost felt bad, like a leopard praying on paraplegic hoofstock.
Haha, that's amazing. The poker world needs more paraplegic hoofstock.
08-30-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by meale

Anyway, a couple hands...

Hand 1


Limp limp, hero iso KK to $30, 3 ways to the flop.
Flop $90: 489
Hero cbets $70, fold, villain ($550-600 effective) in BB raises to $215, hero ???

Hand 2


Hero isos AJo in HJ over 2 limps to $25, CO calls, two other calls.
Flop $100: J83r
EP donk jams $75, hero calls, CO raises to $200, hero ??? (we're 600 effective w/ CO)

Hand 3

EP opens $20 w $275 behind, hero CC 88 IP, SB jams for $33, EP calls, hero calls
Flop $99: 932r
EP cbets $65, hero ???

Hand 4


Fish limps, hero iso to $25 in HJ w/ AQ, CO call, SB calls.
Flop $80: KQ2
SB ($500 ef) leads $35, hero peels
Turn $150: 7
SB leads $45, hero raises to $155 - We expect villain to be fairly weak when he leads this sizing twice. Kx is really his strongest hand, he doesn't have any two pairs rly (that we don't block) and he never leads flush draws otf imo. Hero is reasonably uncapped, can have all the flushes and decide to raise turn here to put a LOT of pressure on villain's Kx hands. $500 deep, he's not going to want to peel turn with sth like KJ without a club, even with J, he could be dead on the turn. We also have equity when called and aren't terribly worried about villain coming over the top on the turn.
Villain sigh folds.

Full Results & Graph: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkK4doh8PHLEgk6pBpFJrgcokPKM
Hand One: as crazy as it sounds I'm tempted to fold this. Can't say exactly as I'd love to know how often V has been doing this and how he's been playing. Read less, I give this up I think.

Hand Two: same as hand one imo

Hand Three: call once. I think since you're IP youlk realize your equity a lot more often here unless he's capable of firing multiple streets with air.

Hand Four: I think it's WP. Think you can also just call here as well.
08-30-2017 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Parsons Grinder
Haha, that's amazing. The poker world needs more paraplegic hoofstock.
Amen to that ****. :')

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Originally Posted by tellypl
Hand One: as crazy as it sounds I'm tempted to fold this. Can't say exactly as I'd love to know how often V has been doing this and how he's been playing. Read less, I give this up I think.

Hand Two: same as hand one imo

Hand Three: call once. I think since you're IP youlk realize your equity a lot more often here unless he's capable of firing multiple streets with air.

Hand Four: I think it's WP. Think you can also just call here as well.
All seems pretty fair imo. Really keen to share the results of these hands with you guys... Will run over my personal thoughts on these hands later tonight.
08-30-2017 , 07:59 AM
That poor girl haha
08-30-2017 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
That poor girl haha
She's sitting about 15 feet away in the dining area waiting for her boyfriend who is also on my table. :')

      
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