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08-14-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by acidhauss
It just makes the hand a lot more straight forward to play against - we stop him from realising his equity and as soon as he calls exploitatively he's basically always got it.

If he calls flop OTT just check back and get a free card or betting ok too.

If you look at a bunch of PIO RIO vids it likes to raise these sort of flops with a merged range for protection, especially if you don't allow the OOP player to 3bet flop (which models real poker fairly well in practice)


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There ya have it! Will see if I can try this without misapplying it.
08-15-2017 , 04:01 AM
as a rule of thumb i generally prefer doing it in rainbow boards where i can rep a few sets and 2p

ie not 322r K92 etc!


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08-15-2017 , 08:50 AM
When i said people arent bluff raising i meant on the river, Most people just arent capable of doing that. Sizing should be at least half pot IMO with 88, would you ever attempt to try and bluff by betting 30 into 135? Because if youre not then whenever you bet more than 70% pot OTR you are automatically pretty polarized
08-15-2017 , 08:23 PM
I also live in Bris and grind the work life 8-5 (used to be pro online player back in 2010). Might have to come join you at some stage. Let me know what the tables are looking like today? As pub holidays for me
08-16-2017 , 02:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by acidhauss
as a rule of thumb i generally prefer doing it in rainbow boards where i can rep a few sets and 2p

ie not 322r K92 etc!


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Got it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by panetta23
When i said people arent bluff raising i meant on the river, Most people just arent capable of doing that. Sizing should be at least half pot IMO with 88, would you ever attempt to try and bluff by betting 30 into 135? Because if youre not then whenever you bet more than 70% pot OTR you are automatically pretty polarized
IMO that type of thinking doesn't matter much here - it's like whatever villain will call bottom pair with or ace high. I have no concern for being balanced here vs this villain or pretty much any of them - meaning I am happy to bet 80% pot with my strong hands (I rly don't get here with much air) and smaller with my weaker hands. Though I agree that we should go closer to 50% with 88 here because it's fairly high up in my range.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dryath
I also live in Bris and grind the work life 8-5 (used to be pro online player back in 2010). Might have to come join you at some stage. Let me know what the tables are looking like today? As pub holidays for me
Yeah mate rock up! I imagine cas will be pretty juicy with the Mekka races so I'm going to head there shortly.
08-16-2017 , 02:43 AM
Daily Update - Mon 14 Aug 2017

Hours Played: 5.8
Profit: $362

Notes: Had a fairly slow session on Monday... no obvious spots at the table and wasn't getting many hands at all. Were a couple hands of note though, as below.

Hand 1

6 limpers, Hero makes it $35 in BB with AJ - think this iso is really good because AJo generally functions much better when it's not a multiway pot. We get it HU.

Flop $90: A64

Hero checks, villain checks - think this is okay to pot control here. I expect villains range to be mostly small/mid pairs. Think he has me covered too.

Turn: 8 (bringing in heart flush draw, so now two flush draws)

Pretty important we bet here imo, my range is going to have some super strong hands in it that wanted to xr flop like sets and flush draws so I'm going to wanna go fairly big.

Hero bets $65, villain calls.

River: 6o

Here I wasn't sure what the best line to take was. I don't think villain has many Ax hands for obv reasons, so do we look to check here and have him bluff his draws? Or is it more likely he just has something like 99 and will call a $150 bet here because it looks like we missed? I checked to let v bluff and he ended up mucking.

Hand 2

Hero overlimps 9T, someone "isos" to $15, it goes like 6 handed to a flop.

Flop $90: 947

Checks to BTN and he bets $65... folds to hero who calls, not stoked about it tbh.

Turn $240: Q

Check, check - I think this card generally favours my range a fair bit because villain isn't checking behind OTT with any flushes.

River $240: 2

Hero bets $145, hoping to fold out something like AT, we end up getting min-raised lol? Obv we can just check river and hope to show our hand down - I just don't think it wins that often and that our bet can fold out better hands. Realistically if we're not happy with our showdown value on the river here we should probably just be folding flop but IDK htf you do that in rl, it just seems super weak to be folding top pair vs a last-to-act flop bet. IDK. I still don't hate the river lead but I think maybe fold flop is better? Not sure.

Hand 3

Hero opens $15 from LJ w/ 79 - kinda spewy open on this table IMO, probably a minor mistake but I don't think it's terrible. We end up getting 5 callers (lol) and see a 773 flop.

Hero cbets $45 into 90 and BTN raises to $160, hero calls.

Turn $470: Qo

Check, check

River $470: 3o

Hero vbets $250 and villain snapjams for like $140 more, hero calls and scoops vs 36 for the full double up.

Full Results & Graph: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkK4doh8PHLEgk6pBpFJrgcokPKM

Parking & Car Debacle

Decided to visit a friend Monday night and so had to get my car out of the casino carpark. Was worried since I validated my parking like a week ago that the card wouldn't work and that I'd be stuck in there and forced to pay some insane price. Needless to say, I get to the exit and try the ticket and it tells me to pay $180 lol... I was spewing, hit the help button, guy comes over and I tell him some bs like I've been saying at your hotel and playing poker every day yadadada, he asked for the poker parking validation card which I gave to him - luckily it didn't have a date on it so he let me out for free. Phew.

Anyway, the car issue thickens... I go home to visit last night to find my registration is up, obv I'm not going to pay $300 to get the car rego'd again because I don't use it. Talk to some of the boys about selling the thing - I'm told we could possibly get $2k for it, said to him I'd be stoked with $1,500 cash in hand. He's like ya cool, go get a roadworthy certificate so I take it to the mechanics and they're like yeah nup it'll need about $1,500 worth of work on it bare minimum, the thing's ****t. So basically best case scenario rn is to tell it to the wreckers for $200 or something. Won't fetch much more than that. It's unlucky rly but my only option atm.

Anyhow, it's a show day holiday today - will be heaps of people at the races and I imagine that'll translate into a juicy night at the casino. I'm going to get off here, get some food, and head in for a session.
08-16-2017 , 05:03 AM
wow too bad to receive so less from that car? do you think that you would rather keep it for any emergency etc?
08-16-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
wow too bad to receive so less from that car? do you think that you would rather keep it for any emergency etc?
I would mate, she drives fine but rego is due in less than a month and im not going to pay >300 for something I'm not using. It is a real shame but she's done 290k kilometres and is older than me so GG I guess
08-16-2017 , 07:58 AM
Here's a hand I just played, more to come in tonight's review...

Hero isos over a limp and a post to $25 W KK, BTN calls, rest folds HU.

Flop T4T

Hero cbets $25, v calls

Turn: 9

Here I think we should be looking to check with our club combos of KK. Instead I feel I made a minor mistake by barreling $85.

Villain raises to $250 and hero folds. Is this a good fold? I feel as though it really isn't well played at all. Like we will struggle to get value from worse on the turn, it's such an obvious check in hindsight. And I think there's a decent chance we get bluffed here too. About 650-700 effective.

Is check turn better than bet and if bet is bet fold better than bet call?
08-16-2017 , 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meale
Daily Update - Mon 14 Aug 2017

Hours Played: 5.8
Profit: $362

Notes: Had a fairly slow session on Monday... no obvious spots at the table and wasn't getting many hands at all. Were a couple hands of note though, as below.

Hand 1

6 limpers, Hero makes it $35 in BB with AJ - think this iso is really good because AJo generally functions much better when it's not a multiway pot. We get it HU.

Flop $90: A64

Hero checks, villain checks - think this is okay to pot control here. I expect villains range to be mostly small/mid pairs. Think he has me covered too.

Turn: 8 (bringing in heart flush draw, so now two flush draws)

Pretty important we bet here imo, my range is going to have some super strong hands in it that wanted to xr flop like sets and flush draws so I'm going to wanna go fairly big.

Hero bets $65, villain calls.

River: 6o

Here I wasn't sure what the best line to take was. I don't think villain has many Ax hands for obv reasons, so do we look to check here and have him bluff his draws? Or is it more likely he just has something like 99 and will call a $150 bet here because it looks like we missed? I checked to let v bluff and he ended up mucking.

Hand 2

Hero overlimps 9T, someone "isos" to $15, it goes like 6 handed to a flop.

Flop $90: 947

Checks to BTN and he bets $65... folds to hero who calls, not stoked about it tbh.

Turn $240: Q

Check, check - I think this card generally favours my range a fair bit because villain isn't checking behind OTT with any flushes.

River $240: 2

Hero bets $145, hoping to fold out something like AT, we end up getting min-raised lol? Obv we can just check river and hope to show our hand down - I just don't think it wins that often and that our bet can fold out better hands. Realistically if we're not happy with our showdown value on the river here we should probably just be folding flop but IDK htf you do that in rl, it just seems super weak to be folding top pair vs a last-to-act flop bet. IDK. I still don't hate the river lead but I think maybe fold flop is better? Not sure.

Hand 3

Hero opens $15 from LJ w/ 79 - kinda spewy open on this table IMO, probably a minor mistake but I don't think it's terrible. We end up getting 5 callers (lol) and see a 773 flop.

Hero cbets $45 into 90 and BTN raises to $160, hero calls.

Turn $470: Qo

Check, check

River $470: 3o

Hero vbets $250 and villain snapjams for like $140 more, hero calls and scoops vs 36 for the full double up.

Full Results & Graph: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkK4doh8PHLEgk6pBpFJrgcokPKM

Parking & Car Debacle

Decided to visit a friend Monday night and so had to get my car out of the casino carpark. Was worried since I validated my parking like a week ago that the card wouldn't work and that I'd be stuck in there and forced to pay some insane price. Needless to say, I get to the exit and try the ticket and it tells me to pay $180 lol... I was spewing, hit the help button, guy comes over and I tell him some bs like I've been saying at your hotel and playing poker every day yadadada, he asked for the poker parking validation card which I gave to him - luckily it didn't have a date on it so he let me out for free. Phew.

Anyway, the car issue thickens... I go home to visit last night to find my registration is up, obv I'm not going to pay $300 to get the car rego'd again because I don't use it. Talk to some of the boys about selling the thing - I'm told we could possibly get $2k for it, said to him I'd be stoked with $1,500 cash in hand. He's like ya cool, go get a roadworthy certificate so I take it to the mechanics and they're like yeah nup it'll need about $1,500 worth of work on it bare minimum, the thing's ****t. So basically best case scenario rn is to tell it to the wreckers for $200 or something. Won't fetch much more than that. It's unlucky rly but my only option atm.

Anyhow, it's a show day holiday today - will be heaps of people at the races and I imagine that'll translate into a juicy night at the casino. I'm going to get off here, get some food, and head in for a session.
1) I like pre, I like flop, I like turn. I bet $65-$90 on the river.

2) Fold the flop. This is the number 1 reason why people lose money with SCs. You arent playing them for TP, especially OOP. Just check/fold the flop. If it checks thru, then maybe you can continue. Losing an extra $205 on a hand like this will kill you.

3) I dont think the $15 open is spew at all. Id rather get 5 callers than get 2 caller who have position on me. NH.
08-16-2017 , 10:09 AM
How about a motorcycle? ;>

It's faster, more fun, cheaper (kind of), no stuck in traffic and best part.. parking anywhere you want without paying! Ofc more dangerous but you have to do some compromises. :P

icho
08-16-2017 , 10:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStarr
1) I like pre, I like flop, I like turn. I bet $65-$90 on the river.

2) Fold the flop. This is the number 1 reason why people lose money with SCs. You arent playing them for TP, especially OOP. Just check/fold the flop. If it checks thru, then maybe you can continue. Losing an extra $205 on a hand like this will kill you.

3) I dont think the $15 open is spew at all. Id rather get 5 callers than get 2 caller who have position on me. NH.
folding top pair with an over, 2 backdoor straight draws, a backdoor flush draw and a ton of bluff outs to a single cbet is ridiculous.
08-16-2017 , 10:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by icho90
How about a motorcycle? ;>

It's faster, more fun, cheaper (kind of), no stuck in traffic and best part.. parking anywhere you want without paying! Ofc more dangerous but you have to do some compromises. :P

icho
Can't afford one and tbh just don't need one rly.

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Originally Posted by panetta23
folding top pair with an over, 2 backdoor straight draws, a backdoor flush draw and a ton of bluff outs to a single cbet is ridiculous.
Gonna have to agree with Mike on this one... Vs that sizing I don't think calling is winning. Obv in a 6m online environment it's hilariously bad but Mike knows his **** and I actually think it's a really really good fold to make to that size. If v bets 35 then we're super happy to be calling. But 65 into 90 when it's so multiway, we just bleed money
08-16-2017 , 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by icho90
How about a motorcycle? ;>

It's faster, more fun, cheaper (kind of), no stuck in traffic and best part.. parking anywhere you want without paying! Ofc more dangerous but you have to do some compromises. :P

icho


I ride CBR 125 every day to work and pay about 10 pounds a month for gas here in UK. The motorbike is dangerouse and you will never be as safe as you are in car but for comuting the risk is really really small. Bad or fatal accidents are not happening as often to people on smaller bikes in cities.

I lived on Taiwan for a 6 months and drove scooter there and survived. If you dont understand that google it and you will know
08-16-2017 , 11:49 AM
Need to go through the whole motorcycle licence process to get a 125 in QLD. It's tedious and tbf I really just don't need to commute anywhere at all. Everything is max 20 min walk. Easily the best place to live in the state imo. Besides, spending a chunk of my steadily dwindling BR at this stage is something I should be avoiding.
08-16-2017 , 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meale
Here's a hand I just played, more to come in tonight's review...

Hero isos over a limp and a post to $25 W KK, BTN calls, rest folds HU.

Flop T4T

Hero cbets $25, v calls

Turn: 9

Here I think we should be looking to check with our club combos of KK. Instead I feel I made a minor mistake by barreling $85.

Villain raises to $250 and hero folds. Is this a good fold? I feel as though it really isn't well played at all. Like we will struggle to get value from worse on the turn, it's such an obvious check in hindsight. And I think there's a decent chance we get bluffed here too. About 650-700 effective.

Is check turn better than bet and if bet is bet fold better than bet call?
Should check majority of your range on this card, even flushes. I prefer bet/fold to bet/call as played, think villains are often underbluffing in these spots.
08-16-2017 , 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbissick
Should check majority of your range on this card, even flushes. I prefer bet/fold to bet/call as played, think villains are often underbluffing in these spots.
Yeah, **** I'm so mad with myself about this one... Like it's SUCH A ****ING OBVIOUS CHECK too... I'm just in the mindset of BIG PAIR, LIVE POKER, BET BET BET TIL YOU GET RAISED, like bs logic that I used years ago before I learnt anything about ranges. It's simply not good enough. I find myself making mistakes like this during hands that seem sooooo obvious. I'm struggling to rectify this if I'm honest...

Daily Update - Wed 16/08/17

Volume: 8.9 hours
Profit: -$548

Today's session was largely "get the money in good and lose still" or get the money in good vs villain's range and still lose. Got owned over and over by short stacks under $100. I have lots of hands to review today so let's just get straight into it...

Hero is BB w Q8 one limp, SB calls, hero checks

Flop $15: Q95

Hero leads $10, one caller.

Turn $35: J

Hero leads again $40 (definitely didn't feel as though I overbet the pot at the time, I'm pretty sure I bet like 85% pot, maybe I wrote the action wrong or something or maybe I am just terrible at calculating pot size). Villain calls.

River $115: 5

Hero checks, villain bets $65, hero calls and MHIG vs 84

What do you think? Can we ever just fold the river? Villain hadn't really done anything out of line...

Hand 2

MISTAKE:

A few limps, hero iso's to $29 w/ TT (because I have no $5 chips), villain w $170 who just sat down 3bets to $70 - villain is generally pretty tight and doesn't get out of line... If villain has like $100 behind here, do we shove or fold or call? Obv calling is out of the question, but can we be XPLO folding? Let's take a look. We have 31% equity vs JJ+/AK. If we shove, we're sticking in $140 to win maybe $355ish... I think it works out to us needing 39% so I think it's a pretty bad shove.

Anyway, we hit a set on the river so that's nice I guess? I did this high/mid pair overplay thing twice tonight though... Need to be better at folding vs people who only 3bet like QQ+

Hand 3

Hero checks T6o in BB, 3-4 handed.

Flop: 578club:

Checks around

Turn: 2o

I think if we're going to have any bluffs here, this is probably an okay one to take a stab with. We'll probably lead turn with our flush draws/nuts so I guess it's okay?

Hero stabs $15 into like $25, one caller...

River: 3

Hero bets again $35

My question is, is this hand fine or spew? If you're okay with turn, fire river or give up?

Hand 4

Guy to my left posts, hero opens JJ to $25, folds to SB who makes it $60 - the big blind has actually called my $25 out of turn, but then goes ahead and calls the $60 as well, BB has about $40 behind and SB has a total of $170...

Do we A) ship it, B) call?

Hero picked A, SB had KK. Villain is actually quite tight... I kind of sort of expect AK SOMETIMES in his range but it could well just be JJ+ or even QQ+, I've not played quite enough with him but I know he's tight. It seems criminal to fold JJ pre, and we're getting great odds to call to see a flop, but really we're either behind a bigger pair or v has AK, seeing a flop doesn't help us much.

If I give BB a 10% range ($100) and SB JJ+/AK, hero has 27% equity for the main pot. And then 34% for the side pot.

Main pot will be $300, side pot will be $140

Hero has to stick in $170 effectively to win $170 + $100 + $170 = $440 so we actually need like 38% equity here... once again we miss by like 4% ANNNNNND we don't factor in the lol rake which makes it a massively losing play imo. Sooooo what do we just fold? Seems horrible on paper but probably isn't terrible.

4 handed, Hero opens K2dd to $15 from CO, 2 callers.

ATT flop, check, hero bets $20, BTN (who is tricky reg, going ape **** since it's short handed), calls, BB folds.

Turn: A

Hero bets again $40 because we're like about 100% sure BTN is floating us with nothing and check folding seems super weak vs this player who I gtd will have all his 7 high bs here, just about any two cards.

Anyway, villain raises to $105. We're about 500 deep. IMO this should be a shove. Villain certainly doesn't raise Tx, and TBH this villain I don't think has any Ax here - he probably knows my range is wide and will just call to let me bluff again otr if he has Ax. I could tell though also from how long he took on the flop he didn't have Ax. His raise here basically is a green light for us to shove and print money. I knew it at the time but froze up. Part of me thought he might raise an ace to get value from Tx but in practice I just don't know how often anyone is really doing that with top boat here.

Hero folds and villain later tells hero he had queen high. Read was accurate, but couldn't pull the trigger. In fairness though, live poker should be easier than 3bet jamming king high on a double paired board - I figured there'd be easier spots but like it's 4 handed with 4 okayish players... Need to be able to pull triggers.

Another spot, it's 4-5 handed, same villain opens (he's playing very loose since it's SH), he opens $20, folds to hero in SB who has been VERY tight, hero 3bets 88 to $80, folds to villain who quickly says all-in. We're about 500 deep here as well. I'm like 100% certain he has AK here... I feel like he'd think a little longer with TT-QQ, probably just call w KK/AA since it's SH.

I am sooooo certain v has AK but once again, I just can't pull the trigger - this game surely has to be easier than flipping for a 1k pot vs a reg... I fold and v shows AKss... That one hurt tbh.

Last hand:

3 handed, v opens $15 EP, call, hero calls 53s in BB. Flop K73r. Flop checks round. Turn is Ao, and I notice the PFR sort of does this head nod thing subtly when the turn card comes out - this is a read I've been developing lately and it almost always indicates weakness. Yes means no. Anyway, I'm 100% certain the PFR didn't hit the ace, so I have a pretty good op to steal the pot. I bet $25, PFR calls, fold. River is a total brick, hero gives up thinking his read was wrong? Hero checks, villain bets $45, hero folds. VILLAIN TABLES TJo and hero is salty af because the read was dead on, and yet once again, we cannot pull the trigger.

Frustrating to say the least.

Didn't win any big pots tonight. Kinda drab session. Super card dead.

My play needs to be better. I think I just need to slow down in real time and really think things through. Tomorrow whenever I find myself in a hand, I'm going to think the spot over, then think it over again, and confirm to myself internally with logic that what I'm doing makes sense and is the best possible play for xyz reasons. That way I should have less "in hindsight" hands like the KK one above that I completely botch.

Volume has been good this week. Already at 40 hours and have a day left in my working week. Will play a homegame tomorrow night and should EZ hit my target of 45+ hours. Hopefully I can get a 10 hour session in and bink a 50 hour week.

Mental game wise, think I'm doing pretty healthily. Kind of couldn't care less about results atm, my only focus is on playing better in the moment - there's not even any niggling "oooh another losing week" thoughts in my mind at all.. I'm fully focused.
08-16-2017 , 02:55 PM
I really like these updates btw, I mostly play online so it's nice to see the other side of a lives pro day.

Anyway, one thing I wanted to point out that is I think is flawed logic...

Quote:
4 handed, Hero opens K2dd to $15 from CO, 2 callers.

ATT flop, check, hero bets $20, BTN (who is tricky reg, going ape **** since it's short handed), calls, BB folds.

Turn: A

Hero bets again $40 because we're like about 100% sure BTN is floating us with nothing and check folding seems super weak vs this player who I gtd will have all his 7 high bs here, just about any two cards.

Anyway, villain raises to $105. We're about 500 deep. IMO this should be a shove. Villain certainly doesn't raise Tx, and TBH this villain I don't think has any Ax here - he probably knows my range is wide and will just call to let me bluff again otr if he has Ax. I could tell though also from how long he took on the flop he didn't have Ax. His raise here basically is a green light for us to shove and print money. I knew it at the time but froze up. Part of me thought he might raise an ace to get value from Tx but in practice I just don't know how often anyone is really doing that with top boat here.
I mean pre is pretty loose unless blinds are massively overfolding, but postflop is where you lose me. Cbet is fine on flop but I think turn is really bad, IMO. When you barrel turn you are always getting called by better and always folding worse. If you think he's floating ridiculously wide then just c/c with your K high as it has some showdown value and doesn't need protection (only seeing a J or Q sucks). Shoving is really bad because you only get called by his value and you just fold out his bluffs that would bet turn and bet river. I think your evaluation that pretty much Ax is never raising turn is correct so I'd happily c/c with your king high.

Anyway, good luck with the rest of your week
08-16-2017 , 02:59 PM
Hand 1, I'd just bet $15 think with all the draws not a big deal though. Turn looks good, fold to raise obviously. River not sure if I prefer xc or betting, think xc is best when the turn card is 2nd pair not 3rd pair

Hand 2 Never folding, over the years I just find AQ from random guys like this all the time, its a minbet which indicates bit of strength but never getting away from it. If you've had a bad month or whatever its ok to not gamble but on the whole GII son its 40BB!!

Hand 3 Don't like turn bluff at all, theres tons and tons of pairs and straight draws on the flop that might check back. River is a meh for me. On the whole I try and think about these spots such that you're getting a free flop, no need to go at it with gutshots, naked straight draws on flushing boards etc. On the whole bluffing OOP is the nut low; this is something I do all the time try and knock it on the head!

Hand 4 Unless he's angling just GII yea. You thought he called out of turn its live poker, there are other more important spots to pick. I get way more upset than I should do when I lose these, theyre biggish swings but theyre not important in the long run.

Off in a rush so cant do h5 and h6!

Think your analysis really nice, would prefer the hhs to be a bit more condensed though e.g.

£2/£5 £X Effective vs "Whoever
Pre action
Flop xc or bet 25 call
Turn xc or bet call
River xc

You get the idea, nice and condensed and easy on the eye to analyse quickly, save the boss analysis for after ; )

keep it up pal
08-16-2017 , 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meale

Hero is BB w Q8 one limp, SB calls, hero checks

Flop $15: Q95

Hero leads $10, one caller.

Turn $35: J

Hero leads again $40 (definitely didn't feel as though I overbet the pot at the time, I'm pretty sure I bet like 85% pot, maybe I wrote the action wrong or something or maybe I am just terrible at calculating pot size). Villain calls.

River $115: 5

Hero checks, villain bets $65, hero calls and MHIG vs 84

What do you think? Can we ever just fold the river? Villain hadn't really done anything out of line...


Hand 2

MISTAKE:

A few limps, hero iso's to $29 w/ TT (because I have no $5 chips), villain w $170 who just sat down 3bets to $70 - villain is generally pretty tight and doesn't get out of line... If villain has like $100 behind here, do we shove or fold or call? Obv calling is out of the question, but can we be XPLO folding? Let's take a look. We have 31% equity vs JJ+/AK. If we shove, we're sticking in $140 to win maybe $355ish... I think it works out to us needing 39% so I think it's a pretty bad shove.

Anyway, we hit a set on the river so that's nice I guess? I did this high/mid pair overplay thing twice tonight though... Need to be better at folding vs people who only 3bet like QQ+

Hand 3

Hero checks T6o in BB, 3-4 handed.

Flop: 578club:

Checks around

Turn: 2o

I think if we're going to have any bluffs here, this is probably an okay one to take a stab with. We'll probably lead turn with our flush draws/nuts so I guess it's okay?

Hero stabs $15 into like $25, one caller...

River: 3

Hero bets again $35

My question is, is this hand fine or spew? If you're okay with turn, fire river or give up?

Hand 4

Guy to my left posts, hero opens JJ to $25, folds to SB who makes it $60 - the big blind has actually called my $25 out of turn, but then goes ahead and calls the $60 as well, BB has about $40 behind and SB has a total of $170...

Do we A) ship it, B) call?

Hero picked A, SB had KK. Villain is actually quite tight... I kind of sort of expect AK SOMETIMES in his range but it could well just be JJ+ or even QQ+, I've not played quite enough with him but I know he's tight. It seems criminal to fold JJ pre, and we're getting great odds to call to see a flop, but really we're either behind a bigger pair or v has AK, seeing a flop doesn't help us much.

If I give BB a 10% range ($100) and SB JJ+/AK, hero has 27% equity for the main pot. And then 34% for the side pot.

Main pot will be $300, side pot will be $140

Hero has to stick in $170 effectively to win $170 + $100 + $170 = $440 so we actually need like 38% equity here... once again we miss by like 4% ANNNNNND we don't factor in the lol rake which makes it a massively losing play imo. Sooooo what do we just fold? Seems horrible on paper but probably isn't terrible.

4 handed, Hero opens K2dd to $15 from CO, 2 callers.

ATT flop, check, hero bets $20, BTN (who is tricky reg, going ape **** since it's short handed), calls, BB folds.

Turn: A

Hero bets again $40 because we're like about 100% sure BTN is floating us with nothing and check folding seems super weak vs this player who I gtd will have all his 7 high bs here, just about any two cards.

Anyway, villain raises to $105. We're about 500 deep. IMO this should be a shove. Villain certainly doesn't raise Tx, and TBH this villain I don't think has any Ax here - he probably knows my range is wide and will just call to let me bluff again otr if he has Ax. I could tell though also from how long he took on the flop he didn't have Ax. His raise here basically is a green light for us to shove and print money. I knew it at the time but froze up. Part of me thought he might raise an ace to get value from Tx but in practice I just don't know how often anyone is really doing that with top boat here.

Hero folds and villain later tells hero he had queen high. Read was accurate, but couldn't pull the trigger. In fairness though, live poker should be easier than 3bet jamming king high on a double paired board - I figured there'd be easier spots but like it's 4 handed with 4 okayish players... Need to be able to pull triggers.

Another spot, it's 4-5 handed, same villain opens (he's playing very loose since it's SH), he opens $20, folds to hero in SB who has been VERY tight, hero 3bets 88 to $80, folds to villain who quickly says all-in. We're about 500 deep here as well. I'm like 100% certain he has AK here... I feel like he'd think a little longer with TT-QQ, probably just call w KK/AA since it's SH.

I am sooooo certain v has AK but once again, I just can't pull the trigger - this game surely has to be easier than flipping for a 1k pot vs a reg... I fold and v shows AKss... That one hurt tbh.

Last hand:

3 handed, v opens $15 EP, call, hero calls 53s in BB. Flop K73r. Flop checks round. Turn is Ao, and I notice the PFR sort of does this head nod thing subtly when the turn card comes out - this is a read I've been developing lately and it almost always indicates weakness. Yes means no. Anyway, I'm 100% certain the PFR didn't hit the ace, so I have a pretty good op to steal the pot. I bet $25, PFR calls, fold. River is a total brick, hero gives up thinking his read was wrong? Hero checks, villain bets $45, hero folds. VILLAIN TABLES TJo and hero is salty af because the read was dead on, and yet once again, we cannot pull the trigger.

Frustrating to say the least.

Didn't win any big pots tonight. Kinda drab session. Super card dead.

My play needs to be better. I think I just need to slow down in real time and really think things through. Tomorrow whenever I find myself in a hand, I'm going to think the spot over, then think it over again, and confirm to myself internally with logic that what I'm doing makes sense and is the best possible play for xyz reasons. That way I should have less "in hindsight" hands like the KK one above that I completely botch.

Volume has been good this week. Already at 40 hours and have a day left in my working week. Will play a homegame tomorrow night and should EZ hit my target of 45+ hours. Hopefully I can get a 10 hour session in and bink a 50 hour week.

Mental game wise, think I'm doing pretty healthily. Kind of couldn't care less about results atm, my only focus is on playing better in the moment - there's not even any niggling "oooh another losing week" thoughts in my mind at all.. I'm fully focused.
H1: Absolutely fine. I wouldn't always bet twice here though.
H2: Villains can easily show up with worse here. I'm fine GII as it seems like it was a LP 3bet, but positions matter of course
H3: Fine
08-16-2017 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by panetta23
folding top pair with an over, 2 backdoor straight draws, a backdoor flush draw and a ton of bluff outs to a single cbet is ridiculous.
OK. Good luck with that. Backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draws are garbage. Ill say it again, playing this hand with TP is the number 1 reason why people cant play SCs profitably.
08-16-2017 , 08:54 PM
GL
08-17-2017 , 12:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStarr
OK. Good luck with that. Backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draws are garbage. Ill say it again, playing this hand with TP is the number 1 reason why people cant play SCs profitably.
Think about your whole range. If youre never calling with top pair here what does it mean when you call? You only have 8 combos of strong hands 44,77 and 97s, but realistically most of these are going to raise so your calling range is so draw heavy that anyone can just bet on brick turns to fold out draws and check behind any river that doesnt improve them
08-17-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bbissick
I really like these updates btw, I mostly play online so it's nice to see the other side of a lives pro day.

Anyway, one thing I wanted to point out that is I think is flawed logic...



I mean pre is pretty loose unless blinds are massively overfolding, but postflop is where you lose me. Cbet is fine on flop but I think turn is really bad, IMO. When you barrel turn you are always getting called by better and always folding worse. If you think he's floating ridiculously wide then just c/c with your K high as it has some showdown value and doesn't need protection (only seeing a J or Q sucks). Shoving is really bad because you only get called by his value and you just fold out his bluffs that would bet turn and bet river. I think your evaluation that pretty much Ax is never raising turn is correct so I'd happily c/c with your king high.

Anyway, good luck with the rest of your week
Yeah definitely man, xc turn is definitely an option, probably best option tbh. It probably stops him from betting river as well. I guess there's no escape from having to play real poker when it gets short handed.

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Originally Posted by acidhauss
Hand 1, I'd just bet $15 think with all the draws not a big deal though. Turn looks good, fold to raise obviously. River not sure if I prefer xc or betting, think xc is best when the turn card is 2nd pair not 3rd pair

Hand 2 Never folding, over the years I just find AQ from random guys like this all the time, its a minbet which indicates bit of strength but never getting away from it. If you've had a bad month or whatever its ok to not gamble but on the whole GII son its 40BB!!

Hand 3 Don't like turn bluff at all, theres tons and tons of pairs and straight draws on the flop that might check back. River is a meh for me. On the whole I try and think about these spots such that you're getting a free flop, no need to go at it with gutshots, naked straight draws on flushing boards etc. On the whole bluffing OOP is the nut low; this is something I do all the time try and knock it on the head!

Hand 4 Unless he's angling just GII yea. You thought he called out of turn its live poker, there are other more important spots to pick. I get way more upset than I should do when I lose these, theyre biggish swings but theyre not important in the long run.

Off in a rush so cant do h5 and h6!

Think your analysis really nice, would prefer the hhs to be a bit more condensed though e.g.

£2/£5 £X Effective vs "Whoever
Pre action
Flop xc or bet 25 call
Turn xc or bet call
River xc

You get the idea, nice and condensed and easy on the eye to analyse quickly, save the boss analysis for after ; )

keep it up pal
Agree man hand 1 we should be betting pot, something I was on your case about but need to be better doing it myself. I think xc feels much better than betting - seems like we town ourselves vs better Qx when we triple. Felt almost like I wanted to fold river lmao. You're right re H3, probably just an unnecessary spot to go at it .. fwiw villain folded but kinda still seems somewhat unnecessary.

Thanks for the feedback man, will defo condense these HHS in the future, partly coz they take so fkn long to write as is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tellypl
H1: Absolutely fine. I wouldn't always bet twice here though.
H2: Villains can easily show up with worse here. I'm fine GII as it seems like it was a LP 3bet, but positions matter of course
H3: Fine
Tyty

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStarr
OK. Good luck with that. Backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draws are garbage. Ill say it again, playing this hand with TP is the number 1 reason why people cant play SCs profitably.
Yeah can't agree more tbh.

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Originally Posted by Time For A Nap
GL
Ty brother.

Quote:
Originally Posted by panetta23
Think about your whole range. If youre never calling with top pair here what does it mean when you call? You only have 8 combos of strong hands 44,77 and 97s, but realistically most of these are going to raise so your calling range is so draw heavy that anyone can just bet on brick turns to fold out draws and check behind any river that doesnt improve them
Don't need to think about your whole range in live. Don't have to worry about being exploited. This is a 5 handed pot lol
08-17-2017 , 04:25 AM
So my focus for tonight's session:

[ ] - In any pot I'm actively involved in, slow down and think through everything logically, then think through it again until I'm happy my decision is the best one I could make.
[ ] - Sizing, focus more on reading pot size and have rationale behind the sizing I choose.
[ ] - Stay nice and tight from EP
[ ] - Pull trigger on read. Last night I was right three times and couldn't pull the trigger. Need to go with the gut a bit more in these spots.

If I can smash these out successfully and consistently by the end of the night, I'll be happy with everything.

      
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