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07-08-2018 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Played a session of 2/5 last night. I only bought in for $200 because I wanted to test out a midstack strategy that I invented. It worked out quite well and I cashed out $342 profit after 3hrs.

I won't go into too much detail about what this strategy involves, since I plan to use it again in the future and I don't want people playing perfectly against me, but basically, I play a much tighter preflop range to what I'd normally play 100bbs deep, and I look for spots to 3bet jam my stack in preflop. It's a fairly simple strategy that I can write down on a piece of paper. I've done the maths, counted the combos, looked at my equities against calling ranges as well as fold equity, and I'm certain that it's +EV. I'm going to experiment with this a few more times in the near future, probably tonight.
This could be a good strategy. I play in a high-rake, 500bb BI cap in Asia and have been trying a similar strategy just to insulate myself from the swings a bit and the EV spots that are offered to a short stack in a deep stack, dick swinging, kind of game are amazing.

The one thing I'm still contemplating though are the rake implications. You obviously end up getting in a lot of flips playing this kind of strategy, and long term the high rake is going to be taking a huge chunk out of your equity.

Last edited by dogarse; 07-08-2018 at 11:23 PM.
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07-08-2018 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ValuetownJL
Watch out Crown Regs, he’s counted the combos


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07-09-2018 , 12:03 AM
you know its next stop bustoville when you are "inventing" short stack strategies
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07-09-2018 , 06:00 AM
So your "secret" strategy is to 3bet jam on people with a short stack?
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07-09-2018 , 08:37 AM
OP "invented" playing short stacked? You cant make this **** up.
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07-09-2018 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
That's actually not what happened. I'll pretty much never put in more than a third of my effective stack preflop unless I'm jamming. We were a little deeper than $300 and my raise size was under $100 I'm pretty sure.

I'm not 100% sure of the action, but it was something like:
3 limpers ($3) -> TAG raises ($18) CO -> maniac calls ($18) BTN -> hero squeezes ($90) SB with J9s -> everyone folds and we show our hand

I picked a pretty standard 3bet sizing of 4x + x per caller, since I was OOP.

Part of the reason why I squeezed was because I interpreted his raise sizing as weak, given the number of limpers. I never really expected to be up against a premium in that spot. I thought he'd raise to at least $20-$25 if he had {QQ+, AK}, since pretty much everyone at 1/3 NL gives away massive sizing tells like that.
So were you hungover and playing bad that day or was it a totally standard and defensible squeeze?

LOL at your "medium stack" strategy. 200 is the min BI a lot of places. 40BB is short. I don't think short stacking is going to work out well for you with that rake structure. When you take 60/40 flips you're about break even if I understand the structure correctly, and short stacking you're going to be in these spots a lot.
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07-09-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Played a session of 2/5 last night. I only bought in for $200 because I wanted to test out a midstack strategy that I invented. It worked out quite well and I cashed out $342 profit after 3hrs.

I won't go into too much detail about what this strategy involves, since I plan to use it again in the future and I don't want people playing perfectly against me, but basically, I play a much tighter preflop range to what I'd normally play 100bbs deep, and I look for spots to 3bet jam my stack in preflop. It's a fairly simple strategy that I can write down on a piece of paper. I've done the maths, counted the combos, looked at my equities against calling ranges as well as fold equity, and I'm certain that it's +EV. I'm going to experiment with this a few more times in the near future, probably tonight.
You need a low variance strategy on your bankroll. Short stacking is about as high variance as you can get. Also this probably won't work with the rake structure your games have. Good luck with it, although I personally don't see how it will work.
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07-09-2018 , 01:37 PM
Rake at 2/5 NL is 10% capped at $15. If I go all-in for $200 and the BB calls (worst case scenario), then there's $402-$15=$387 in the pot. That means I need 52% equity to make a profit, which isn't too bad. And that's assuming no dead money at all.

People say that it's "high variance" but that depends what you compare it to. It's certainly higher variance than playing 1/2 with a $200 buyin, but it's lower variance than playing 2/5 with a $500 buyin. I'd say it's comparable variance to 1/3 with a $300 buyin.

And my specific ranges were my own invention. I may have done some research and used other sources as a guideline, but I created this particular strategy myself.
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07-09-2018 , 01:56 PM
At this point he is just trolling himself with comment like "inventing new strategies" and "inventing specific ranges".

I hope you lose everything you have OP, I hope you get truly desperate because only then will you actually be driven to succeed, instead of doing what ever the fk you're doing now...
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07-09-2018 , 02:39 PM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
People say that it's "high variance" but that depends what you compare it to. It's certainly higher variance than playing 1/2 with a $200 buyin, but it's lower variance than playing 2/5 with a $500 buyin. I'd say it's comparable variance to 1/3 with a $300 buyin.

How did you calculate the variance in this strat you invented and the various other buyin level variance?
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07-09-2018 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
GG do you have life nit advice as well or is it just poker? If you've mastered being a life nit like in poker maybe you can offer OP some safe wisdom he will no doubt ignore.
Get a job and don't play poker until you can happily lose gobs of $$$ at the table without blinking an eye. Nothing else is remotely close.

As for OPs shortstack strategy in a bigger game which I'm assuming involves a lotta bigger splashy preflop stacks, it's probably a decent strat. Although as soon as he doubles up it will become a problem as I'm assuming there's no shorter stacked tables he can move to to effectively rathole.

GgoodluckG
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07-09-2018 , 02:54 PM
Gg,

I apologize and take back some of what I said about you earlier itt. While I still believe much of your advice is suboptimal for poker players looking to maximize EV and improve their game, I actually think OP would be well-served following your advice given his situation. It’s clearly a profitable low stakes approach, and OP desperately needs to employ a winning low variance strategy.
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07-09-2018 , 03:05 PM
lol didn't even notice OP is employing his strat on 2/5. Found a way to justify jumping stakes again I guess.
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07-09-2018 , 03:13 PM
So we have now officially moved into short stacking territory. The end is near folks.
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07-09-2018 , 03:36 PM
Kelvis,

The donkey players don’t respect his 3-bets enough at 1/3!
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07-09-2018 , 03:52 PM
He won a couple hundred over his first few hours doing it though. Can't argue with results! Clearly taking notes from Hellmuth's views on meaningful sample size.
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07-09-2018 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Gg,

I apologize and take back some of what I said about you earlier itt. While I still believe much of your advice is suboptimal for poker players looking to maximize EV and improve their game, I actually think OP would be well-served following your advice given his situation. It’s clearly a profitable low stakes approach, and OP desperately needs to employ a winning low variance strategy.
No worries!

GI'mjusthereforthelol'sG
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07-09-2018 , 04:48 PM
When I was a fish....

....hang on I'll rephrase that...

When I was a clueless whale, I "invented" a short stack strategy, if I remember it was something to do with complimenting my tourney strat (because like all noobs I was mixing games every which way).

It didn't end well.
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07-09-2018 , 04:54 PM
^You probably weren't counting the combos
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07-09-2018 , 05:52 PM
6bet : in all the time you have played at Crown, have you ever seen any player consistently and successfully employ a short-stack strategy on 1/3 or 2/5?
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07-09-2018 , 05:58 PM
It's not a short stack strategy, it's a medium stack strategy. The Swiss Army knife of strategies.

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07-09-2018 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trumps hit
6bet : in all the time you have played at Crown, have you ever seen any player consistently and successfully employ a short-stack strategy on 1/3 or 2/5?
Kinda an unfair question, imo, as I doubt many of us could confidently answer the same question in our own environment.

Shortstacking is a thing, and I'm guessing if done right it can be profitable. Will it be as nearly as profitable as being a crusher and sitting deep? Probably not, although it's debatable (?) whether OP is crusher / has BR to sit deep.

Gwhat,youhaveaccesstoyouropponentssessionlogs?G
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07-09-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Rake at 2/5 NL is 10% capped at $15. If I go all-in for $200 and the BB calls (worst case scenario), then there's $402-$15=$387 in the pot. That means I need 52% equity to make a profit, which isn't too bad. And that's assuming no dead money at all.

People say that it's "high variance" but that depends what you compare it to. It's certainly higher variance than playing 1/2 with a $200 buyin, but it's lower variance than playing 2/5 with a $500 buyin. I'd say it's comparable variance to 1/3 with a $300 buyin.

And my specific ranges were my own invention. I may have done some research and used other sources as a guideline, but I created this particular strategy myself.
Or 6bet, have you ever seen any Crown players, consistently and successfully employ an all-in game at 1/2 or 2/5?

Because the bottom line is, for you to achieve your goal, you have to be consistent and successful. And not tomorrow, but today.

The banks of the river Styx are now within sight,
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07-09-2018 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Kinda an unfair question, imo, as I doubt many of us could confidently answer the same question in our own environment.

Shortstacking is a thing, and I'm guessing if done right it can be profitable. Will it be as nearly as profitable as being a crusher and sitting deep? Probably not, although it's debatable (?) whether OP is crusher / has BR to sit deep.

Gwhat,youhaveaccesstoyouropponentssessionlogs?G
I know a couple o dudes that shortstack with decent sample sizes. They win at an ok clip

ihaveseentheirsessionlogs
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07-09-2018 , 07:35 PM
Trump,

What does it matter what anyone has done there before? This is a newly invented revolutionary strategy with combos counted and everything.
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