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Old 04-29-2018, 11:14 PM   #201
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Very good advice in this thread. OP I suggest you read my PG&C from the beginning. I had your almost exact mindset. I went broke, with more money than you have (I started with $300 buy-in at $1/2 and ran it to $15K within a few months, lost it to poor choices both in life and on the tables). It literally put me out of commission for a long time, I still cannot play live because I don't have the roll. I'm back grinding online full-time and SO wish I listened to the advice of the people in this forum -- my ego owned me. Don't be me bro, trust me -- it's miserable - keep playing $1/3 -- play online if you can, GET BETTER. You're not a good poker player yet dude, put the work in, or you're going to lose it all. You're running above expectation, I promise. But I know you probably won't take this advice so, I hope you sun-run and show us all how it's done. Good luck.
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Old 04-30-2018, 12:06 PM   #202
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Very good advice in this thread. OP I suggest you read my PG&C from the beginning. I had your almost exact mindset. I went broke, with more money than you have (I started with $300 buy-in at $1/2 and ran it to $15K within a few months, lost it to poor choices both in life and on the tables). It literally put me out of commission for a long time, I still cannot play live because I don't have the roll. I'm back grinding online full-time and SO wish I listened to the advice of the people in this forum -- my ego owned me. Don't be me bro, trust me -- it's miserable - keep playing $1/3 -- play online if you can, GET BETTER. You're not a good poker player yet dude, put the work in, or you're going to lose it all. You're running above expectation, I promise. But I know you probably won't take this advice so, I hope you sun-run and show us all how it's done. Good luck.
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Old 04-30-2018, 12:36 PM   #203
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Combination of both. Some huge losses as a result of shot taking, playing HU 25 50 and 50 100. Losing 30%+ of my BR in single sessions. Subconsious tilt as a result, declined motivation to improve my game, playing B game for weeks after such a session and running very bad as well. 95K under EV at one point.

Spending big on life and gambling also helps to destroy your roll. Playing high as a kite, drunk etc.

One advantage of playing live vs online is that you can't go monkey tilt and play HU vs regulars on very high stakes. Plus rebuying is more difficult and you play fewer hands per hour. Online it can go very very quick.

I would go as far to argue that shot taking is almost never profitable in the long run, considering the very large downside of: Needing time to process mentally, going on subconsious tilt, playing B game, finding your normal stakes boring and not thrilling or fun, risk of chasing losses, the list goes on.

Also, if it does go right a few times, you will be inclined to take even bigger shots or widen your view of what is shotworthy, which will eventually make you end up in the downward cycle again as described above.

Some giga whale in Vegas once said smt along the lines of: ''I lost 100$ in the casino and I spent 300mil to win it back''

By being honest with yourself and knowing your flaws, you can beat the biggest enemy, that is yourself. However, personality is incredibly hard to change if not almost impossible, but you can implement rules like stoplosses and focus on improving on those lesser aspects of your personality, in order to avoid disaster.

This process of improving yourself will feel incredibly uncomfortable at first, but gets better overtime as your mind starts to gradually respect the process more than the outcome. Focus on the things you CAN control.

Played a bad session? No problem, if you made sure to analyse honestly what went wrong, if you implemented your stoploss and did your workout that day or ate healthier and managed to keep your spendings on dumb things to a min.

For us poker players variance can easily start to influence everything in our lives. Mental and physical state, health, routines and social interactions. Focus on improving other aspects of your life as well, and you will experience how one positive thing leads to another, just like one negative thing leads to another. The cycle works both ways and the opportunities will multiply if you persist.
For example: You stuck to your BRM for a few months, you started working out a couple of times a week, improved your game and watched some videos on mental life game in general. You feel more energized, look better and are more fun socially, when all of sudden one of the whales you played before invites you to his 5/10 home game with his friends only, because you were the only ''fun'' guy at the boring and unfriendly 1/3 table. I know this might sound like a long shot ofc, but this is just an example to sketch how one thing leads to another. You never know how crazy life can get. But the thing is, if it happens, you better be ready and able to seize the opportunity.

I went broke just before the cryptoboom. One of my close friends, was in the position where he could follow advice from early adapters and invest. I wanted to join, but there I was with no money. At that time I had some crypto already, but I had to sell as otherwise I wouldn't have had money to live from.
1 week later the market exploded which was very very lucrative for my friend and I was very happy for him, knowing how much work he had put in in order to reach the position where he could invest that sort of money.
However, hearing the stories at my university and hometown of random guys having portfolios of 20K and even 90K, while starting with like 1k, was pretty hard to swallow, as I missed the boat because of my own mistakes and am now less worth than some random guys, while I have dedicated 3 years of my life to poker.

Again, I understand that this particular event was almost historic and unlikely to happen again in this form, but the truth is we never know what will be next. I hope these stories make it more tangible for you.
Thank you again for taking the time to write all of this.

I never really thought of it that way: that it's more difficult to spew off an entire bankroll live compared to online. I guess it makes sense though: the highest games that runs 7 days per week at my casino is the 5/5/10 NL or the 1/2/5 PLO, both with a $1k max buyin. At each of these games, you're lucky to see 35 hands per hour, so it would be tough to lose more than $5k in a night at the casino if you stuck to poker.

Whereas online, you could lose $50k in a single night if you went on tilt whilst multitabling 2knl and 5knl games, which seem to run 7 days per week on most sites and sometimes even 24/7.

I also never considered that shot taking would be -EV, but it makes a lot of sense once you consider the human element. I'm definitely guilty of losing interest in the lower stakes games once I take shots at the higher games, and that's something I need to fight. It's like doing a drug for the first time and now suddenly, it's not a big deal anymore when you do it for a second, third, fourth or hundredth time, since you've already broken your "virginity" for that drug. It's so much harder to have the patience to fold every hand for 2hrs straight when you're card dead at a 1/2 game, compared to when you previously had premium hands at a higher frequency at the 5/10 game. You kind of think "if my open raise sizing is only $10 then f**k it, why not open A6s UTG?"

Yeah I always feel guilty when I play at the casino either tired or tilted and don't want to talk to anyone. It's like I'm missing out on so many key opportunities to network, make friends, get invited to home games, talk strategy with the winning regs (off the table ofc), keep the whales entertained, etc. I want to start making some changes and come to every session fit, healthy, energetic and refreshed. I want to be able to play my A-game and be social too, not play my D-game with a bored face and sitting there silently.

I missed out on the cryptoboom too unfortunately Oh well, I almost see it as missing out on a winning lottery ticket or missing out on a winning bet at the roulette table. It's only a bad thing if we had done enough research to confidently determine, at the time, that the cryptos were going to rise as rapidly in value as they did, and the majority of people investing in cryptos were just gambling and did very little actual research. They made a -EV decision and got lucky.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:40 PM   #204
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My filthy daily routine

I work 5 nights per week as a pizza delivery driver. Here is a typical day for me:

5pm: Wake up, shower, get dressed
6pm: Sit in room looking at 2p2 on my phone
7pm: Walk to work, grab iced coffee and sushi on the way
8pm: Deliver pizzas, clean up the store
12:30am: Finish work, walk home, eat leftover pizza along the way
1:30am: Arrive at home, give a good night kiss to sleeping girlfriend, start heading off to Crown Casino
2am: Arrive at Crown, start playing $1/$3 whilst tired and physically drained from work.
6am: Cash out, walk to Hungry Jack's (Burger King), grab a breakfast burger
7am: Loiter around the city looking at 2p2 on my phone
8am: Arrive at home, go to sleep feeling like wtf am I doing with my life.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:56 PM   #205
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Maybe things are breaking down because of your occupation (and the shiftwork involved with it).

Instead of time reading 2+2, maybe spend it researching another occupation. ( or your own business....go along to startupvic sessions for starters) A change of jobs might just veer you away from depression (albeit low level, [now]) and catalyse a change in your life.

The ups and downs of poker existence will wear you down with your current state of mind.
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Old 05-01-2018, 03:45 AM   #206
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"I call bullsh*t on that one"

9-handed, $1/$3 blinds

OMC ($200) - Typical Old Man Coffee. I've seen him limp-call AKo before. He only raises high pocket pairs.

Loose Woman ($300) - 40s woman with colourful hair. Plays extremely loose. I've seen her flat a 3bet OOP with J7s. She is somewhat aggressive too; I've seen her raise AJo pre and I've seen her x/r the flop with top pair.

Bad Reg ($300) - Late 20s WG. Tries to play TAG and talks a little strategy at the table, but I think he can be a bit loose-passive at times.

Indian Guy ($200) - Late 20s Indian guy. No reads, but his chips are stacked in a slightly messy way, if that means anything.

Hero ($900) - Young LAGtard.

Hero is dealt 88 in SB
OMC limps $3 UTG
Loose Woman limps $3 UTG+1
Bad Reg limps $3 UTG+2
Random guy limps $3 CO
Hero limps $3 SB
Indian Guy raises $28 BB
OMC calls $28
Loose Woman calls $28
Bad Reg calls $28
Random guy folds
Hero throws out $300 (effective backjam)
Random Guy laughs and says "I call bullsh*t on that one"
4 folds
We take down a $100 pot uncontested.

Random Guy: "did you have pocket 3s?"
Me: "something like that"
Random Guy: "I bet you had that exact hand"
This is how much credit I get haha.

So we ended the session $638 up. This makes us now $9725 up for the year at live poker.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:52 AM   #207
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Maybe things are breaking down because of your occupation (and the shiftwork involved with it).

Instead of time reading 2+2, maybe spend it researching another occupation. ( or your own business....go along to startupvic sessions for starters) A change of jobs might just veer you away from depression (albeit low level, [now]) and catalyse a change in your life.

The ups and downs of poker existence will wear you down with your current state of mind.
This was my original plan: to find a new job. But since poker started going so well so suddenly, I've lost the motivation to apply for new jobs. Instead, I just want to cut down on work shifts and spend more days at the casino, or even quit my job entirely. I'm strongly considering one of those options tbh.
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:14 PM   #208
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People know who I am irl

So I'd suspected for the past few weeks that people had begun to pick up on who I am irl, but now I've finally confirmed it. It started with subtle jokes at the poker table which hinted towards my PG&C thread, then it ended with people straight up telling me that they've read it.

This is problematic, for 3 reasons:
1) Safety and security - Now that people know who I am, what stakes I play, what time I arrive/leave the casino, where I work, where I eat, etc. There's a risk that someone might pull a knife on me and try to mug me. Maybe an upset poker player might just bash me cause they were mad about a bad beat or something. This is a concern to me because I revealed far too much information about myself on the internet.

2) Hand history information - I've pulled some bluffs, made some weird plays, etc. I don't want all the regs knowing exactly how I play and how I think. It's tough enough for me to beat some of the 2/5 regs as it is, but now they have a huge information advantage over me.

3) Cannot banter as much - Before I could banter as much as I wanted. I could talk sh*t without getting hit. I could make fun of the spewy loose-passive whale that dropped 3k in 2hrs at 2/5. I could give my completely honest opinion of anyone and everyone without consequences. Now I can't do that anymore.

I'm thankful that none of my non-poker friends or family know who I am, and I really hope it stays that way, but this still kind of sucks. At some point, if poker continues to go well, I will have to abandon this account and make a new one, where I am much more careful about how much I reveal about myself online.
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:30 PM   #209
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:34 PM   #210
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Lol @ all or your concerns above, so immature.

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Old 05-01-2018, 02:42 PM   #211
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This was my original plan: to find a new job. But since poker started going so well so suddenly, I've lost the motivation to apply for new jobs. Instead, I just want to cut down on work shifts and spend more days at the casino, or even quit my job entirely. I'm strongly considering one of those options tbh.
What's the long term plan then? Playing poker for the next 30 years? Backup options if thing go bad? I assume you have thought about these things.
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Old 05-01-2018, 03:36 PM   #212
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People know who I am irl

So I'd suspected for the past few weeks that people had begun to pick up on who I am irl, but now I've finally confirmed it. It started with subtle jokes at the poker table which hinted towards my PG&C thread, then it ended with people straight up telling me that they've read it.

This is problematic, for 3 reasons:
1) Safety and security - Now that people know who I am, what stakes I play, what time I arrive/leave the casino, where I work, where I eat, etc. There's a risk that someone might pull a knife on me and try to mug me. Maybe an upset poker player might just bash me cause they were mad about a bad beat or something. This is a concern to me because I revealed far too much information about myself on the internet.

2) Hand history information - I've pulled some bluffs, made some weird plays, etc. I don't want all the regs knowing exactly how I play and how I think. It's tough enough for me to beat some of the 2/5 regs as it is, but now they have a huge information advantage over me.

3) Cannot banter as much - Before I could banter as much as I wanted. I could talk sh*t without getting hit. I could make fun of the spewy loose-passive whale that dropped 3k in 2hrs at 2/5. I could give my completely honest opinion of anyone and everyone without consequences. Now I can't do that anymore.

I'm thankful that none of my non-poker friends or family know who I am, and I really hope it stays that way, but this still kind of sucks. At some point, if poker continues to go well, I will have to abandon this account and make a new one, where I am much more careful about how much I reveal about myself online.
These days it is really, really important to stay anonymous online in these types of forums. Do not give your true location under "location" for a start. And if you are a poker player do not mention where you play. It is extremely foolish to give out that information online.

Seriously. It is dangerous to give away too much personal information.

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Old 05-01-2018, 06:25 PM   #213
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Reached the 10k goal at live poker

I've finally done it! I'm now $10,781 up for the year at live poker. It ended with a nice 1/3 PLO session today where I cashed out just over 1k profit against some massive whales that were calling 4bets with bottom 50% hands and chasing weak flush draws on paired boards multiway.

I'm still $850 down online for the year though, but right now, I think I will continue the live grind until at least June or July.

I never imagined myself going on a 12k upswing in just 2 months. I was $1300 down at the start of March and I had serious doubts about whether I could accomplish this goal by the end of the year or not. I never thought it would all happen so fast.

Poker is an incredible game.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:31 PM   #214
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People know who I am irl

So I'd suspected for the past few weeks that people had begun to pick up on who I am irl, but now I've finally confirmed it. It started with subtle jokes at the poker table which hinted towards my PG&C thread, then it ended with people straight up telling me that they've read it.

This is problematic, for 3 reasons:
1) Safety and security - Now that people know who I am, what stakes I play, what time I arrive/leave the casino, where I work, where I eat, etc. There's a risk that someone might pull a knife on me and try to mug me. Maybe an upset poker player might just bash me cause they were mad about a bad beat or something. This is a concern to me because I revealed far too much information about myself on the internet.

2) Hand history information - I've pulled some bluffs, made some weird plays, etc. I don't want all the regs knowing exactly how I play and how I think. It's tough enough for me to beat some of the 2/5 regs as it is, but now they have a huge information advantage over me.

3) Cannot banter as much - Before I could banter as much as I wanted. I could talk sh*t without getting hit. I could make fun of the spewy loose-passive whale that dropped 3k in 2hrs at 2/5. I could give my completely honest opinion of anyone and everyone without consequences. Now I can't do that anymore.

I'm thankful that none of my non-poker friends or family know who I am, and I really hope it stays that way, but this still kind of sucks. At some point, if poker continues to go well, I will have to abandon this account and make a new one, where I am much more careful about how much I reveal about myself online.
Lets break this down...

1) You think just because you have a blog someone is more likely to pull a knife on you and mug you? That's ridiculous. You think someone just said "Oh ****, I play with 6 bet me....he has a blog? I think Ill mug him".

Players already know who you are. They already know you have some amount of money on you. If they want to follow you and find out an easy place to mug you then thats what they will do. Knowing you have a blog has nothing to do with it.

2) You post some bluffs and some raises with big hands or whatever? So what? The more you mix your game up the less people can read you. Posting about it has nothing to do with it.

3) You used to talk **** about people behind their backs and youre upset that you cant do it anymore because you might get hit? Maybe you should stop talking **** about people behind their backs? How ****ing old are you anyway?

The only thing you should be worried about is people laughing about you when they read this blog....but dont worry...they will probably only laugh behind your back.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:52 PM   #215
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Lets break this down...

1) You think just because you have a blog someone is more likely to pull a knife on you and mug you? That's ridiculous. You think someone just said "Oh ****, I play with 6 bet me....he has a blog? I think Ill mug him".

Players already know who you are. They already know you have some amount of money on you. If they want to follow you and find out an easy place to mug you then thats what they will do. Knowing you have a blog has nothing to do with it.

2) You post some bluffs and some raises with big hands or whatever? So what? The more you mix your game up the less people can read you. Posting about it has nothing to do with it.

3) You used to talk **** about people behind their backs and youre upset that you cant do it anymore because you might get hit? Maybe you should stop talking **** about people behind their backs? How ****ing old are you anyway?

The only thing you should be worried about is people laughing about you when they read this blog....but dont worry...they will probably only laugh behind your back.
+1

I was gonna break down each point of that post, but MikeStarr stole my thunder.

The only 3 things I would add are.....

1) If you're legitimately worried about being mugged....cut out the late night city loitering sessions.

2) You want to play professionally? You're going to be recognized.

3) I highly doubt people are combing the recesses of 2+2 sub forums looking for mugging targets. If that's something you're concerned about, keep an eye out for the walkers in your poker room who are eyeballing every table but never playing. I've met, dined, chilled, and conversed with several 2+2ers at Foxwoods. Most regs know who I am, where I work, my wife and kid's name, etc. It's all banter and keeping the table live. If you feel that you can only thrive in anonymity, you should stick to online poker.

Oh, and congrats on hitting your 10k goal. Considering you are way ahead of schedule, take some time to reflect on how you got there and since I assume you don't intend on taking an 8 month hiatus, adjust your plans and strategies accordingly.

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Old 05-01-2018, 08:20 PM   #216
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If youre saying things about people behind their backs that you think would get you punched if you said it to their face, you are very immature. Especially if youre upset that you cant do it anymore. Age may not be the only factor but young people do it a hell of a lot more than older people.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:33 PM   #217
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1) You think just because you have a blog someone is more likely to pull a knife on you and mug you? That's ridiculous. You think someone just said "Oh ****, I play with 6 bet me....he has a blog? I think Ill mug him".

Players already know who you are. They already know you have some amount of money on you. If they want to follow you and find out an easy place to mug you then thats what they will do. Knowing you have a blog has nothing to do with it.
This is wrong. Safety is a legitimate concern when publicizing your life to thousands of strangers on a forum centered around the collection of cash.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:55 PM   #218
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I am far more concerned by you falling off the wagon of BRM and playing PLO again already than I am about people connecting you to this PG&C.

I mean congrats on your heater, but the complete lack of self control in terms of playing within your roll is all but mathematically guaranteed to end poorly unless you wise up before the inevitable downswing.
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This is wrong. Safety is a legitimate concern when publicizing your life to thousands of strangers on a forum centered around the collection of cash.
How exactly? Everyone knows if you are playing 2/5 you have $1000-$3000 on you. Anyone seeing him play in the poker room knows this because everyone playing 2/5 has some money on them. How does people knowing he has this blog change that at all?
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Wow. The naievity and delusional thinking of some poker players never ceases to amaze me.

Telling strangers on the internet that you have large amounts of money on you, at what times, plus your whereabouts is a totally unnecessary risk. I can't believe people are saying it's OK.

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Old 05-01-2018, 10:47 PM   #221
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OP do you smoke weed? Paranoia is very common. Your lifestyle fits that of a stoner very well.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:55 PM   #222
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OP do you smoke weed? Paranoia is very common. Your lifestyle fits that of a stoner very well.
WOW! Just because he delivers za's doesn't mean he is stoner. I knew a physics professor who slang pizza on the side. Don't stereotype it's disgusting. Not sure why op is getting so much hate. He seems solid and level headed.
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Wow. The naievity and delusional thinking of some poker players never ceases to amaze me.

Telling strangers on the internet that you have large amounts of money on you, at what times, plus your whereabouts is a totally unnecessary risk. I can't believe people are saying it's OK.
The point is that he isn't in any more or less physical danger by being identified as a blog author than he already was.

The people identifying him already had visual and physical contact with him via the casino. He was recognized by other poker players already frequenting the poker room.

Anyone robbing him for his poker bankroll already did so knowing that he had at least the minimum buy in for 2/5 on his person and most likely watched him cash out at the cage. Chances are they don't read this forum at all.

His only legitimate concern is people playing him differently due to info learned here, and possibly being confronted for talking ****. The second is easily rectified.

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OP do you smoke weed? Paranoia is very common. Your lifestyle fits that of a stoner very well.
Yeah but not very often. I've only smoked weed once this year and it didn't make me paranoid. I'm not a "stoner" at all.
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:48 AM   #225
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

whether or not these people were going to mug or knife you (i really doubt they were), you've now put that idea into their head by posting it here, so it's more likely to happen now. given that they read this thread. hopefully it doesn't happen to you (not sarcasm, i actually do hope you aren't in any danger and if you think you are, you should ask mods to delete posts/the entire thread).
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