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Old 04-09-2018, 02:39 PM   #76
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

Nice call again, sir

$450 effective.

2 limpers
Hero makes it $25 CO with As Kh
Villain calls $25

Flop ($52, HU) is Kc 6d 4d

Villain donks $25
Hero raises $80
Villain calls

Turn ($202) is 8c

Villain checks
Hero instajams $335
Villain calls $335 with K9o

River 9

Gg again sir.
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Old 04-09-2018, 06:27 PM   #77
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Super spewy Monday nights

So the villain in question earlier turned out to be a massive whale, and I was lucky to be seated to his direct left after a broken table. He built up a 1.6k stack (peaked after the K9 vs AK suckout), then proceeded to lose it all, then proceeded to buy in an additional 3 times and lose all of that too. He was limp-calling garbage, pulling ridiculous bluffs and constantly making hero calls that were usually wrong.

There was another drunk whale on the new table too, which added to the heat. In one hand, there are 4 limpers, the drunk whale raises to $40, the original villain 3bets to $140, a tight OMC calls $140, the drunk whale jams $500 effective and they end up going for a 3 way all-in: Drunk whale has 62o, tight OMC has KK and no idea what original villain had.

This was the kind of table I was playing on all night. I managed to recoup all of my losses for the day and walked out $500 up for the night.

Here's one big hand I won:
2 limpers
Drunk whale raises $25 CO
Hero 3bets $80 BTN with QQ
Some limper cold calls $80
Drunk whale calls $80
Flop ($240, 3ways) is T55 two-tone
Checks to me
I bet $80
Drunk whale jams $600
I snap call and drunk whale says at showdown that he has nothing (even after the flush got there). So I show my QQ and scoop.

When the table is this spewy, you just can't leave. Even if it's 7am and you're super tired, you have work tomorrow and your girlfriend is waiting for you at home, you still need to stay until the whale is bust. And if you get sucked out (like I did with 94% equity in a $900 pot), then you need to be polite, laugh it off and rebuy. These games are super high variance but also probably the juiciest games you'll find all year.
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Old 04-09-2018, 06:39 PM   #78
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I do not mind the exploitative KJ fold, unlike many posters here that seem to come exclusively from an online background (I thought it was a call at first and I play my share of both of online and live, but without the live reads/table dynamics, it is impossible to judge, as I will fold highly exploitative hands, even in highstakes tournaments). The next preflop strategies though, are more of a problem...


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1. Set mine less When MP opens to $25 and you're in the SB with 22, it doesn't matter if you're $1k deep; it's not profitable to play this hand. Stop dreaming about flopping your set of 2s and then getting stacks in because it happens far less often than you think. Most half decent players can get away from a 1pr hand once the pot gets huge, except on really specific runouts like JT265 where the flush draw busted.

2. Stop calling with suited connectors and suited Aces. These hands play much better as 3bets than flats, in my experience. Again, when you flop your 8 high flush in a 4way pot, do you really expect to win stacks? And how many streets are you going to pay off when the flop comes AT5 and you wrongly assume that your A6 might be ahead of their KQ/KJ/QJ?

3. Fold AJo and KQo UTG. As pretty as these hands might look, it's actually very losing to open them UTG. Even AQo is borderline. It's not wrong to fold AQ UTG if you're trying to reduce variance.

I agree with 2, 3 is a marginal open, but whatever, it is close in EV, so not a big deal, but 1 is definitely a call. Rule of thumb has it that if you get 15x on your call, you have the right implied odds to do. I think that the fact that you want to lower your variance by not playing this hands (again, they are a must when sitting in deep stack), speaks more of your bankroll management skills (or lack thereof) than anything else... GL
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:09 PM   #79
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Sorry for the triple post, but I've been thinking a lot lately and I believe that the main thing that's making this downswing so unbearable is the discouragement I've faced from friends. If people were more supportive of my dreams, then I think that I could withstand the downswings, but when people tell me that I'm destined to fail and then I try to prove them wrong but they end up being right... that hurts so badly.
Get rid of the candle lighting scumbags in your life , trust me and when you tell them same people when you win they will all have there handout trust me . In order to reach goals it's good to surround yourself with people who are positive to what your trying to accomplish , get rid of the negatives.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:19 AM   #80
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:28 AM   #81
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:26 AM   #82
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Currently 4.5k up for the year at live poker and $650 down online. I'm barely playing online though... I think I'll do a few more months of exclusively live poker and then I'll get back into the online grind later in the year.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:59 AM   #83
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When the table is this spewy, you just can't leave. Even if it's 7am and you're super tired, you have work tomorrow and your girlfriend is waiting for you at home, you still need to stay until the whale is bust. And if you get sucked out (like I did with 94% equity in a $900 pot), then you need to be polite, laugh it off and rebuy. These games are super high variance but also probably the juiciest games you'll find all year.
I'm not sure you understand variance. The higher your win rate, the less likely you are to have downswings. If the games really are so "juicy" as you claim, your win rate should be astronomical and you would barely be suffering any downswings. At least not a prolonged downswing.

Seems to me that you're massively over-estimating how good you really are. Sure, you probably have an edge, but no where near as big as you think.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:06 AM   #84
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I agree with 2, 3 is a marginal open, but whatever, it is close in EV, so not a big deal, but 1 is definitely a call. Rule of thumb has it that if you get 15x on your call, you have the right implied odds to do. I think that the fact that you want to lower your variance by not playing this hands (again, they are a must when sitting in deep stack), speaks more of your bankroll management skills (or lack thereof) than anything else... GL
You're not seriously advocating cold calling 5x raises from the SB with 22 right? OP is very much correct on that one.

This "rule of thumb" is the biggest money loser in the history of poker when applied to modern games.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:35 AM   #85
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I'm not sure you understand variance. The higher your win rate, the less likely you are to have downswings. If the games really are so "juicy" as you claim, your win rate should be astronomical and you would barely be suffering any downswings. At least not a prolonged downswing.

Seems to me that you're massively over-estimating how good you really are. Sure, you probably have an edge, but no where near as big as you think.
Variance is more to do with aggression than it is to do with how soft the games are.

On a table full of maniacs, your 95% confidence interval for an 8hr session might be (-$2000, +$3600), meaning that your true win rate is $100/hr but you could lose 2k that session if you're unlucky. On a table full of standard passive fish, your 95% confidence interval might be (-$1000, +$1400), meaning that your true win rate is $25/hr, but you're unlikely to lose more than 1k that session.

So we see from that example that even though your win rate is 4x higher amongst the maniacs compared to the fish, your losing sessions can be 2x as bad.
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:00 AM   #86
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Downswings aren't one session. You keep calling it a downswing the moment you lose three hands in a row or lose 3 buy ins but those aren't downswings. In this thread I have not seen one single downswing.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:31 AM   #87
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You're not seriously advocating cold calling 5x raises from the SB with 22 right? OP is very much correct on that one.

This "rule of thumb" is the biggest money loser in the history of poker when applied to modern games.
Of course I am not advocating to call an overraise in the worst possible position (SB) with the worst possible set mining hand (22) on the worst possible table (aggressive) being short stack But if you go back and read OP's post, he advocates folding pocket pairs even when sitting astronomically deep, regardless of position, no table dynamics and in a 1-3 game. That is a leak. And more reflective of him being scared of a downswing, me thinks, or perhaps even playing deep, as his bankroll does not permit him to do so... (which has be the theme of this thread : playing underrolled and fearing downswings...).

It doesn't matter anyways, as OP seems stubborn and reluctant to take in sound advice...
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:57 AM   #88
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I found a $100 chip on the ground. Should I hand it in or keep it? Will I get into trouble for keeping it?
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:39 PM   #89
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Ran super hot today at $1/$3. Even won a $600 pot JTs vs AKo aipf. I'm not going to include the $100 chip I found on the ground towards my poker goals, but that was a nice bonus too.

Current live profit: +$5057
Current online profit: -$650

I'm more than halfway towards my live poker goal now
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:50 PM   #90
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I found a $100 chip on the ground. Should I hand it in or keep it? Will I get into trouble for keeping it?
There's a long thread on this in (I believe) the Cardroom and Casino forum under Live Poker.

Short answer, you can possibly get in trouble and you should turn it in.

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Old 04-10-2018, 01:06 PM   #91
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I found a $100 chip on the ground. Should I hand it in or keep it? Will I get into trouble for keeping it?
Add it to your BR to boost your bb/100
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:09 PM   #92
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Can you enlighten us about this undoubtedly great spot to get JTs in preflop?
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:21 PM   #93
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Can you enlighten us about this undoubtedly great spot to get JTs in preflop?
2 limpers
MP (straightforward reg) opens $20 MP
Hero 3bets $75 SB with JTs
Tilted guy flats $75 BB
MP jams $280
Tilted guy gives off huge tell that he's not happy with the raise, so I treat his $75 as dead money
Hero rejams $500 effective
Tilted guy folds and later claims he had 98 when the runout came 5679T

So the way I saw it was: $205 more to get HU in a $630 pot. I estimated that JTs probably has more than the required 32% equity against a range of {QQ+, AK}, so I thought that it's a marginally +EV call. Even if it was a breakeven call, this is huge advertisement for me to show to the table that I'm willing to stack off JTs pre for $500, and that kind of advertisement got me paid off huge for the rest of the session.

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Old 04-10-2018, 06:33 PM   #94
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I found a $100 chip on the ground. Should I hand it in or keep it? Will I get into trouble for keeping it?
Return it. A dealer told me someone got banned from Horshoe Hammond for picking up and not returning a dropped chip. I can't imagine it's worth the risk if you plan on playing there for a substantial amount of time in the future.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:25 PM   #95
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well, since you kind of remind me of myself a few years ago... I'll sub I've learned the hard way, what you're about to go through, if you don't change your approach to all of life. -- good luck OP
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well, since you kind of remind me of myself a few years ago... I'll sub I've learned the hard way, what you're about to go through, if you don't change your approach to all of life. -- good luck OP
Can you go into a bit more detail of why he will learn the hard way if he doesn't change his approach to life?
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Old 04-11-2018, 01:25 AM   #97
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well, since you kind of remind me of myself a few years ago... I'll sub I've learned the hard way, what you're about to go through, if you don't change your approach to all of life. -- good luck OP
Can you summarise your poker journey please?
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Return it. A dealer told me someone got banned from Horshoe Hammond for picking up and not returning a dropped chip. I can't imagine it's worth the risk if you plan on playing there for a substantial amount of time in the future.
Wow... what was the value of the chip? In the past I found a $50 note sitting on an empty seat at an electronic roulette table and I informed an area manager and returned it, but I was informed by some people that I'm literally creating a problem for the area managers when I hand small amounts of money in, since they now have to go to the effort of investigating who it belongs to, so I almost feel like if I'm not able to locate the owner and the amount of money is $100 or less, I'm better off just keeping it.
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Old 04-11-2018, 01:42 AM   #99
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Reading this thread was hilarious and made my night.

Its great to see people trying to give OP advice on poker and life. How OP handles all the help is just priceless.

The downsing of 3 BI, playing poker for three years making 400$ a year, wondering why friends might advice to look into other things, justifying being mad about losing 1k with a 5k BR whilst ignoring all advice on BRM, the HHs, the increased spending on the major heater, the shared spending account with his GF, just amazing.

When I read that OP found the 100$ chip and contemplated on what to do, I just couldn't contain myself anymore and burst in laughter. The confirmation of deciding to keep the chip is comedy gold.

At one point I was not sure if OP is a troll and it felt like reading a post from www.dontevenreply.com , if anyone of you might know this gem from the past.

On a more serious note; I suggest OP not to put his eggs in the poker basket as it is not worth it for many reasons. Currently youre on a massive heater, a winrate way lower than you think, no openness to new ideas or admittance of your flaws and it will backfire in the long run.

The way I see it you could do the following:

1.Start accepting constructive criticism, work on all aspects of your game(not only at the table), join a training site or whatever and improve your poker ability and do it as a part-time job.

2.Acknowledge you are unwilling to take poker seriously and therefore treat it like a hobby, while not letting it consume your precious time, energy and life as a whole.
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Start accepting constructive criticism, work on all aspects of your game(not only at the table), join a training site or whatever and improve your poker ability and do it as a part-time job.
I always welcome constructive criticism. I'm a firm believer in self-improvement.

I've watched a bunch of RIO elite videos too with educa_poker and I always try to improve my game and stay open minded to new ideas, new bet sizes, new lines, etc.

I try to be as disciplined as possible, but of course we're all human beings and we all slip up at times, go on tilt, do stupid things, etc.

I try to follow advice from other people, but there comes a point when two people give conflicting pieces of advice and I need to decide which advice to follow. For example, with AK on a KT4K board after my opponent x/r me on the turn and I flatted, then he checked to me on the river: half the people on this forum are telling me to check back and the other half are telling me that this is a fistpump value bet on the river. It's impossible for me to follow everyone's advice when they contradict each other.

What else can I do?
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