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12-04-2018 , 05:57 PM
Matt Moore is the true hero
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12-04-2018 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
The "let's make a set and stack the maniac" plan doesn't work too well IME, because it takes too long to make a set and you don't need a hand nearly that strong if you're heads up with him. This is how most people approach maniacs, trying to make a nutted hand and busting them, when you should be isolating him and just stationing vs. his bluffs. This works especially well if the rest of the table will play tight vs. your light 3 bets, which is often the case when there's a maniac present.
That's true, but OP thinks in extremes. For him, every situation is black and white. He interprets: "it takes too long to make a set and you don't need a hand nearly that strong" as "i should call it off with any trash hand, even if i have no pair and no draw and it's multiway and i have to call off $400 when i've only invested $25 into the pot".

Notice how OP can't ever find a middle ground. It's always one extreme or the other.
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12-04-2018 , 11:06 PM
Reflection on yesterday's session

In hindsight, I did pass up on some light 3betting opportunities against the maniac. For example, there were several hands which went something like this: 1 limper, maniac raises $25, hero folds QJo. I believe I can be 3betting hands as weak as QJo for value, however, I didn't adjust my 3betting range. I waited for AJo+/KQo before 3betting the maniac, which meant I passed up on a lot of potential +EV spots.

I do think that set mining is still +EV though, given stacks are deep and no one was 3betting. For example: we were $500 effective, maniac would open $25 UTG and I'd be in UTG+1 with 22. Normally this is a clear fold, however, I decided to flat in spots like this with all my low pocket pairs, since it often went 4-5ways to the flop and the maniac was still willing to jam 5x pot with Q7o on an 864r flop 5ways. If I'd flopped a set, I could have potentially stacked multiple people there.

It was definitely a hugely +EV table to be on, even if I was tired and playing suboptimally. I need to remind myself that despite losing $1480 at 2/3 NL yesterday, I won a tonne of EV and it was great that I played a long session. There is no reason for me to be disappointed in myself for what happened yesterday. I should be proud of myself. I need to constantly remind myself of that and not let cancerous results-oriented thinking cloud my view.
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12-04-2018 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It was definitely a hugely +EV table to be on, even if I was tired and playing suboptimally. I need to remind myself that despite losing $1480 at 2/3 NL yesterday, I won a tonne of EV and it was great that I played a long session. There is no reason for me to be disappointed in myself for what happened yesterday. I should be proud of myself. I need to constantly remind myself of that and not let cancerous results-oriented thinking cloud my view.
Try to remember this next time you start discussing 5-session 'downswings' or how much you're currently up playing poker on the year.
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12-05-2018 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Reflection on yesterday's session

In hindsight, I did pass up on some light 3betting opportunities against the maniac. For example, there were several hands which went something like this: 1 limper, maniac raises $25, hero folds QJo. I believe I can be 3betting hands as weak as QJo for value
please... no... for the love of god...Queen and Jack... offsuit...
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12-05-2018 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Reflection on yesterday's session

In hindsight, I did pass up on some light 3betting opportunities against the maniac. For example, there were several hands which went something like this: 1 limper, maniac raises $25, hero folds QJo. I believe I can be 3betting hands as weak as QJo for value, however, I didn't adjust my 3betting range. I waited for AJo+/KQo before 3betting the maniac, which meant I passed up on a lot of potential +EV spots.

I do think that set mining is still +EV though, given stacks are deep and no one was 3betting. For example: we were $500 effective, maniac would open $25 UTG and I'd be in UTG+1 with 22. Normally this is a clear fold, however, I decided to flat in spots like this with all my low pocket pairs, since it often went 4-5ways to the flop and the maniac was still willing to jam 5x pot with Q7o on an 864r flop 5ways. If I'd flopped a set, I could have potentially stacked multiple people there.
The reason you were able to set mine is because the players behind you were playing incorrectly. They were flatting way too many hands they should have been 3betting or that they should have been folding because they are just playing any 2 cards lotto poker trying to catch a hand postflop vs villain.

Now, on the flip side of that, imagine if you were on the villain's right. Villain raises to $25, if he gets 4 callers there is $125 in the pot. Since you aren't scared to 3bet this is the perfect spot where you can raise/ship for value or to isolate the maniac who is playing any 2 cards and from time to time you may even win $125 in dead money (depending on whether the maniac always goes with his hand or not).

Essentially, if you are on the direct right of a maniac that raises 100% of his hands, then you get last action preflop EVERY SINGLE HAND. You can just limp your entire playable range and then you get to see how the action goes down. Also consider the scenario where you limp, Maniac raises to $25, gets 3 callers, and then Mr Nit makes it $125. If you were on the maniac's left with pocket 2s you just threw away $25, but if you were on his right with pocket 2s you only threw away $5.
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12-05-2018 , 12:21 AM
Why would you 3b a hand like QJ when villain will just jam flop if the pot size is $50 or $150? The only answer is because people behind you would call with better and you're isolating light in early to middle position, but it still seems bad given the post flop tendencies you have described to the maniac.
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12-05-2018 , 01:08 AM
3betting QQ to 100 from 30 in the sb to a whale is way too small. Got to make it at least 140-150.
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12-05-2018 , 11:26 AM
OP silent today. Gone off the rails after 1 losing session?
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12-05-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
OP silent today. Gone off the rails after 1 losing session?
He was online literally 2 minutes ago
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12-05-2018 , 11:33 AM
6bet: do you think you misplayed your hands against that maniac in any way? What else did you look at regarding that session other than good spots to 3bet light.
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12-05-2018 , 11:36 AM
BGP, I was gonna comment something similar but his "I was tired and playing suboptimally" is as much as he'll admit to making a mistake.
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12-05-2018 , 11:37 AM
Playing against maniacs actually creates a very complex dynamic in full ring games that is not easily solvable.
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12-05-2018 , 11:38 AM
if everyone played optimally vs said maniac then the variance would rise up massively because you're probably supposed to 3bet and 4bet and 5bet really ****ing light
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12-05-2018 , 11:44 AM
You guys should expect a good update from what he's done today, some impeccable desicion making by a professional poker player
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12-05-2018 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jordan1352
You guys should expect a good update from what he's done today, some impeccable desicion making by a professional poker player


Not sure if serious.


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12-05-2018 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jordan1352
You guys should expect a good update from what he's done today, some impeccable desicion making by a professional poker player
Why you gotta give away his good day? 6b would've loved the glory! I'm sure of it.

Last edited by .isolated; 12-05-2018 at 12:07 PM. Reason: i wouldn't label him a pro poker player, either :D
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12-05-2018 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
Not sure if serious.


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Not sure if serious.
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12-05-2018 , 12:14 PM
Not serious if sure.
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12-05-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jordan1352
You guys should expect a good update from what he's done today, some impeccable desicion making by a professional poker player


Alternatively he’s referring to the villains in 6b’s hands. We shall see.


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12-05-2018 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jordan1352
You guys should expect a good update from what he's done today, some impeccable desicion making by a professional poker player
Got drunk, played 5/T/20, won boat loads, paid off his loan and upgraded his room so he doesn't have to top and tail with you?
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12-05-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
Got drunk, played 5/T/20, lost boat loads, took out another 20k loan and upgraded his room so he doesn't have to top and tail with you?
this is possible too
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12-05-2018 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
it's a good thing you got all that money in super light in the last post because we all know that maniacs only last a short amount of time and then we never see them again

:eyeroll:
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12-05-2018 , 01:24 PM
I want to believe OP has made some good decisions today but relatively speaking a good decision by 6bm might be not to post the straddle in the 5/T/25 game he's jumped into for 60% of his net worth.
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12-05-2018 , 01:34 PM
After yesterday's session I thought that he wouldn't play a single minute of $2/$3 today unless it was while waiting for a higher stakes table. I'm sure he did well because they should respect his raises at $5/$5/$10 or w/e the **** he played.
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