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Old 11-08-2018, 02:42 PM   #6101
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

God bless this thread. This might be the most entertainment I've had this year.

This is either the most elaborate troll of 2018 or the best cautionary tale for would-be young pros.

The minimum wage in AU is 6BB/hr. Has OP posted a 6BB/hr+ profit so far for this year? If not, it's probably time to sit down and re-evaluate your life.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:48 PM   #6102
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

6,

It’s not bad that you’re using pio. But your time would be way, way better spent working on getting better at basic fundamentals of poker.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:54 PM   #6103
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

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those two 25z hands are some of the worst you've posted in a while :\
Some next lvl spew lol. Imagine 4betting A2 and shoving that flop and getting called by AQ high that blocks the fd
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:00 PM   #6104
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Hand 1: How the f**k does he call this?

$25 effective, 25nlz online
Hero raises $0.60 UTG with A2hh
BTN calls $0.60
SB 3bets $3.15
Hero 4bets $7.20
SB calls $7.20

Flop ($15.25) 6d 5c 3d

SB checks
Hero jams $18.30
SB calls $18.30

Spoiler:

Dear goodness.

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Hand 2: Uncomfortable flop 3bet

$24 effective, 25nlz online
Hero raises $0.75 SB with Kh Td
BB calls $0.75

Flop ($1.50) Th 6h 3d

Hero checks
BB bets $0.75
Hero raises to $2.50
BB 3bets to $5.50
Hero calls $5.50

Pretty uncomfortable spot facing the 3bet on the flop... I consider all 4 options here (fold, call, 4bet/fold, 4bet/call), but ultimately decide to call. Not sure what the best play is here.

Flop ($12.50) Th 6h 3d 2d

Hero checks
BB bets $6.25
Hero jams $17.75

Villain calls $17.75
Villain has As Td (TPTK) and holds
Oh well, at least I would've stacked him if I took the same line with all my JJ+
Oh really, it's almost as if bluffing too much or even bluffing at normal frequencies is not optimal against most players.

By the way what did you have? Can't have been pretty.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:02 PM   #6105
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Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

6,

Serious poker questions here.

Hand 1: what range did you put him on when he called the re-raise preflop?

Hand 2: what range did you put him on after his flop 3-bet?

Hand 3: what did you think was interesting/notable about that hand?
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:15 PM   #6106
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Cutting it close

So in the afternoon, I bought PioSolver Pro and spent a bit of time getting a feel for how it works (still pretty confused though). I also spent some time with my girlfriend: we went out to a bar and played ping pong there for about 2hrs (it was one of those hipster bars with 90s music and a bunch of random fun stuff like table tennis and a basketball hoop). I didn't drink any alcohol there though; just coke.

Before I knew it, the time got pretty late and I only actually ended up playing 2 hours of poker: 1hr at 25nlz online and 1hr at 2/5 NL live.

I started my 2/5 live session at 11:00pm and finished right on the dot at 12:00am. Admittedly, there was some temptation to stay slightly later like 12:30am, since I didn't see anyone around that looked like they knew me too well, but I ultimately decided to be disciplined and leave right on time. It turns out I made a good decision, since one of the guys on my 2/5 table was actually following this thread and he was paying close attention to see if I would stay past midnight. So I dodged a bullet there... I ultimately made $254 profit at the 2/5 table and narrowly dodged the $1k fine.

Here are some hands (H1 and H2 are from 25nlz; H3 is from 2/5 live):

Hand 1: How the f**k does he call this?

$25 effective, 25nlz online
Hero raises $0.60 UTG with A2hh
BTN calls $0.60
SB 3bets $3.15
Hero 4bets $7.20
SB calls $7.20

Flop ($15.25) 6d 5c 3d

SB checks
Hero jams $18.30
SB calls $18.30

Spoiler:


Hand 2: Uncomfortable flop 3bet

$24 effective, 25nlz online
Hero raises $0.75 SB with Kh Td
BB calls $0.75

Flop ($1.50) Th 6h 3d

Hero checks
BB bets $0.75
Hero raises to $2.50
BB 3bets to $5.50
Hero calls $5.50

Pretty uncomfortable spot facing the 3bet on the flop... I consider all 4 options here (fold, call, 4bet/fold, 4bet/call), but ultimately decide to call. Not sure what the best play is here.

Flop ($12.50) Th 6h 3d 2d

Hero checks
BB bets $6.25
Hero jams $17.75

Spoiler:


Hand 3: Bluff catching

2/5 live, $500 effective
Villain limps $5 UTG
Hero raises $25 UTG+1 with 88
MP calls $25
BB calls $25
Villain calls $25

Flop ($92, 4ways) 544r

BB checks
Villain checks
Hero bets $40
MP folds
BB folds
Villain calls $40

Turn ($167) 5449

Both check

River ($167) 5449T

Villain bets $125
Hero calls $125

Spoiler:


The good news is that I've fully recovered from my cold now, so I'm planning to put in a lot of 2/5 NL volume tomorrow to make up for this week. Hopefully 8hrs+
Dude.... come on... first of all a2s is a fold utg in zone.. you open utg.... and get 3bet by a player that can easily complete and see a flop for cheap when hes oop. This screams an extremely strong range. Villian is saying, my hand is better than your UTG range. You should only continue after his 3 bet with AK ,JJ + (the hands you should actually be opening utg). The 4 bet is complete spew (although it is better than flatting.....BUT JUST FOLD PRE). Once your 4 bet gets called he is extremely big pair heavy so the jam is just retarted, hes never folding after he calls your 4 bet.
Hand 2. If you would have played this straight forward and bet the flop you would have lost a lot less.
These 2 hands, especially 1, show HUGE leaks. I've been following this thread a long time and I actually want you to succeed, but dude you gottttta stop spewing
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:23 PM   #6107
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In hand 2 when villian 3 bets the flop what range are you putting him on?? Did you think you were ahead on the turn ??? I am so confused by the way you played this hand. It's almost like your giving zero thought you what villian might have


I play ALOT of zone. Started at 5nl > 25nl > 50nl with a 40 bi BR. His flop 3 bet is so nutted. Tbh I expected to see a set there, results aside if I did decide to check-raise flop, I am SNAP folding his 3 bet, even with an overpair. Population is not 3 betting single pair hands with enough frequency to make this a profitable call.

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Old 11-08-2018, 03:30 PM   #6108
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- see OP says he has 15bb/100 live

- see OP post hand histories from 25 zone

- BOOKS FLIGHT TO LA FAST
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:49 PM   #6109
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

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My games are nothing like LATB. Those games are a caricature for entertainment purposes.
Those are not caricatures. That's how people play there.

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Where are these games in the midwest?

St Louis is not like that at all.
I wouldn't say the midwest games necessarily play the same as LATB. I'd argue the games are even better than LATB because many of the opponents are weak passives that only take aggressive lines when they have it. There are soft games throughout the midwest although they've potentially gotten a lil tougher in recent years.

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unless you exploit yourself by doing so, just because you win doesn't mean you are using the maximally exploitative strategy

also pio gives you the EV of each play so you can go full explo and use the highest ev play in every spot disregarding balance
Cool. As long as pio tells him he can bet 3 times pot with top pair and get value from worse then it should work great.

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well if u put in OMC range correctly (which is the nuts and only the nuts) it would suggest folding your whole range.

amazing, right?
How it OP going to know villains' ranges? He needs to put in volume before he can figure out players' actual ranges.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:55 PM   #6110
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Dude.... come on... first of all a2s is a fold utg in zone.. you open utg.... and get 3bet by a player that can easily complete and see a flop for cheap when hes oop. This screams an extremely strong range. Villian is saying, my hand is better than your UTG range. You should only continue after his 3 bet with AK ,JJ + (the hands you should actually be opening utg). The 4 bet is complete spew (although it is better than flatting.....BUT JUST FOLD PRE). Once your 4 bet gets called he is extremely big pair heavy so the jam is just retarted, hes never folding after he calls your 4 bet.
Hand 2. If you would have played this straight forward and bet the flop you would have lost a lot less.
These 2 hands, especially 1, show HUGE leaks. I've been following this thread a long time and I actually want you to succeed, but dude you gottttta stop spewing
retarded *
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:57 PM   #6111
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Thanks dude. I didnt know how I was going to make it through the day without someone grammar checking me.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:58 PM   #6112
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Thanks dude. I didnt know how I was going to make it through the day without someone grammar checking me.
it's just ironic coz u spelt retarded wrong XD
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:01 PM   #6113
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Yeah if you're going to call something retarded you should really make sure you spell it correctly.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:05 PM   #6114
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:07 PM   #6115
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Yeah if you're going to call something retarded you should really make sure you spell it correctly.
Agreed the spelling error wasn't my brightest moment. Smaller error than the ones made in the ops hands though.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:09 PM   #6116
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Sorry for the triple post, but I've been thinking a lot lately and I believe that the main thing that's making this downswing so unbearable is the discouragement I've faced from friends. If people were more supportive of my dreams, then I think that I could withstand the downswings, but when people tell me that I'm destined to fail and then I try to prove them wrong but they end up being right... that hurts so badly.
I'm cheering for you my man, don't listen to those saying you can't make it. Most people know what is poker and consider it as gambling and peoples thinks they're right but it's a game where even tho you get downswings you will make it eventually, always think that Daniel Negreanu had to travel 3 times to last vegas each time losing his whole 3K bankroll. Look where he's at now!
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:15 PM   #6117
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I'm cheering for you my man, don't listen to those saying you can't make it. Most people know what is poker and consider it as gambling and peoples thinks they're right but it's a game where even tho you get downswings you will make it eventually, always think that Daniel Negreanu had to travel 3 times to last vegas each time losing his whole 3K bankroll. Look where he's at now!
Just wait until you read past page 2.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:23 PM   #6118
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Just wait until you read past page 2.

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Old 11-08-2018, 04:28 PM   #6119
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Playing from 11 and leaving at 12 isn’t being disciplined. Being disciplined would be realizing that playing a one hour session is a bad idea as it’s likely to cause you to play bad.

The whole point of you not playing past midnight is so that you structure your day so you’re playing from like 4-12am. It just seemed like you wanted to get some gamble on. You’re not treating this like a job at all, you should set up a weekly roster and at least try to loosely stick to it to make sure you’re getting the volume in that you need to succeed. IMO that’s 40 hours every single week.

Again, I suggest you should take on the prop bet with someone if you want to have any chance of having long term consistent volume in the next few months. If not, there’s a 0 chance you’re going to put the volume in.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:35 PM   #6120
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My games are nothing like LATB. Those games are a caricature for entertainment purposes.
Yeah, games in LA don't play like that show.

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Thanks dude. I didnt know how I was going to make it through the day without someone grammar checking me.
It was a spelling error not a grammatical error.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:39 PM   #6121
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Yeah, games in LA don't play like that show.
They play that way when you aren't sitting with 7 british nits and one annoyed rec looking for a table change (which is like half the 5/10 at commerce)
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:41 PM   #6122
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They play that way when you aren't sitting with 7 british nits and one annoyed rec looking for a table change (which is like half the 5/10 at commerce)
There's a new crop of Russian players starting to infest the games now. Es no bueno.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:43 PM   #6123
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OP, you have pio, now go get upswing. Expose more of your loan. Specifically, get the HU course to learn to more effectively punt in HU pots, as you seem to like those / doing that.

Then get some bencb coaching to beat 2/5
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:44 PM   #6124
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I didn't drink any alcohol there though; just coke.
OP confirmed GOAT
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:50 PM   #6125
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There's a new crop of Russian players starting to infest the games now. Es no bueno.
meh, as long they aren't nits I'm cool with them. It's the guys who vpip <10% that kill the games
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