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Old 05-16-2018, 08:45 PM   #526
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When someone tries to succeed at something but faces obstacles, you don't tell them to give up; you tell them to overcome those obstacles.

Yes, I have some tilt/mental game issues that are holding me back, but the solution isn't to simply quit poker; the solution is to meditate, improve my health and leave the table only when I'm playing my D game or worse.

Also I just played a session today at 2/5 and won $977. I was put in a tough spot when I 4bet $250 with AA, got 2 callers, flop comes QJ9 two-tone and a guy donk jams $700 into me. I really considered folding there because I thought one of them can easily have a set, but I ultimately called because I didn't have the nut flush draw blocker and I figured that he could easily jam TT there (6 combos) which I'm slightly ahead of. He ended up having ATs (FD and OESD) and bricked out. Other player folded and I won a nice 2.1k pot. But I lost a chunk later from standard coolers like KK vs AA aipf and bricking out some draws.

I'm now $12,466 up at live poker this year.
It's not just your tilt/mental game/overspending/general approach to life, it's that there is no future as a poker pro. It's one of the worst careers you can embark upon, for so many reasons (if you can even call it a career).
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:46 PM   #527
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When someone tries to succeed at something but faces obstacles, you don't tell them to give up; you tell them to overcome those obstacles.

Yes, I have some tilt/mental game issues that are holding me back, but the solution isn't to simply quit poker; the solution is to meditate, improve my health and leave the table only when I'm playing my D game or worse.

Also I just played a session today at 2/5 and won $977. I was put in a tough spot when I 4bet $250 with AA, got 2 callers, flop comes QJ9 two-tone and a guy donk jams $700 into me. I really considered folding there because I thought one of them can easily have a set, but I ultimately called because I didn't have the nut flush draw blocker and I figured that he could easily jam TT there (6 combos) which I'm slightly ahead of. He ended up having ATs (FD and OESD) and bricked out. Other player folded and I won a nice 2.1k pot. But I lost a chunk later from standard coolers like KK vs AA aipf and bricking out some draws.

I'm now $12,466 up at live poker this year.
Some tilt/ mental game issues? Are you serious?

What you did was complete insanity. You donked off $300 on the very first hand of the night blind. Thats not tilt.
Then you proceeded to donk off another grand or so in similar fashion. FFS show just a little bit of self-awareness.

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Old 05-16-2018, 09:23 PM   #528
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

The session OP described sounded exactly like what I described him to be earlier on. A degenerate bomb, waiting to burst and shatter.

Imagine how this bomb will explode when he starts running bad. Dear poker gods have mercy on his poor soul.

OP is a bit like a small village on a vulcano. We had the first small eruption now, but luckily no one in the village below the vulcano got harmed, due to a rare but fortunate north-west wind blowing the ashes and gasses away from the village.

The next eruption, there will be no fortunate wind. The people will be burnt badly, some will die, but the village would still be there. However, as all police officers who oversee right and wrong have died, the place will turn into a lawless hellhole. Eventually, not the eruption itself will cause the most damage, but consequences like loss of infrastructure, law and order, healthcare etc.

OP has committed his largest BRM crime thusfar and again has gotten away with it. I thought the ultimate recipe for disaster was already complete, but it just keeps getting worse and worse.

I think we all should not underestimate how bad this will end. OP is on his way to destroy his entire life. Ofcourse, his degeneracy and total disregard for any sense given to him is good comedy, but Im actually afraid OP might end up in jail or hurt himself.

Ofcourse, everyone loves to be right and say 'I told you so', but at this moment a human life is on the line and we should try and keep telling OP that he needs to self-reflect and come to senses.

Remember; if you go broke you are a dissappointment to yourself, your girlfriend, your family and all of us in this thread who have tried to provide you with sincere advice and help.

Take. A. Break.
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:39 PM   #529
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It's not just your tilt/mental game/overspending/general approach to life, it's that there is no future as a poker pro. It's one of the worst careers you can embark upon, for so many reasons (if you can even call it a career).
Excuse you, not picking on you but that comment is pretty disgusting to post on a poker specific forum. It's not true at all and has no room to be on a forum like this. Please tell your story walking mate
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:29 PM   #530
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When someone tries to succeed at something but faces obstacles, you don't tell them to give up; you tell them to overcome those obstacles.

Yes, I have some tilt/mental game issues that are holding me back, but the solution isn't to simply quit poker; the solution is to meditate, improve my health and leave the table only when I'm playing my D game or worse.

Also I just played a session today at 2/5 and won $977. I was put in a tough spot when I 4bet $250 with AA, got 2 callers, flop comes QJ9 two-tone and a guy donk jams $700 into me. I really considered folding there because I thought one of them can easily have a set, but I ultimately called because I didn't have the nut flush draw blocker and I figured that he could easily jam TT there (6 combos) which I'm slightly ahead of. He ended up having ATs (FD and OESD) and bricked out. Other player folded and I won a nice 2.1k pot. But I lost a chunk later from standard coolers like KK vs AA aipf and bricking out some draws.

I'm now $12,466 up at live poker this year.
Sigh, I used to do the same thing. Post what I was up, not what my actual bankroll was. Subconsciously making myself feeling better about not being a complete idiot and spending my money on stupid ****. I used to say "Up $15,000 in 3 months" when my bankroll was at $2K cause I was being a complete idiot. You're only making this worse on yourself. You're not being honest with yourself dude.
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Old 05-16-2018, 11:55 PM   #531
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You remind me of a friend who quit poker, not because he was bad at the game, but because he just couldn't make good life decisions around poker.

Get your **** together, fam.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:46 AM   #532
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Excuse you, not picking on you but that comment is pretty disgusting to post on a poker specific forum. It's not true at all and has no room to be on a forum like this. Please tell your story walking mate
From what I've seen you're as much as a clueless donkatron as OP. Just for the record.
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:12 AM   #533
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Sigh, I used to do the same thing. Post what I was up, not what my actual bankroll was. Subconsciously making myself feeling better about not being a complete idiot and spending my money on stupid ****. I used to say "Up $15,000 in 3 months" when my bankroll was at $2K cause I was being a complete idiot. You're only making this worse on yourself. You're not being honest with yourself dude.
More good advice OP will 100% ignore.

Too distracted with his $12K "profit" is my guess:

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Old 05-17-2018, 03:26 AM   #534
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I don't get why (almost) everyone is bashing the OP. Ok, he didn't earn his money just as honorable and mathematically safe-way as the best most steady regs. He took a gamble, he had a decent chance to bust, but he sunrun over that. Now he has a nice roll. He can just put some online and start crushing NL$100 ZOOM or $30 spins, minimum, if he's willing to change his ways and start being more solid / steady, both earning more than his PIZZA job, or just drop down a stake in live cash and earn the "long distance".
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:35 AM   #535
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I don't get why (almost) everyone is bashing the OP. Ok, he didn't earn his money just as honorable and mathematically safe-way as the best most steady regs. He took a gamble, he had a decent chance to bust, but he sunrun over that. Now he has a nice roll. He can just put some online and start crushing NL$100 ZOOM or $30 spins, minimum, if he's willing to change his ways and start being more solid / steady, both earning more than his PIZZA job, or just drop down a stake in live cash and earn the "long distance".
He's clearly not willing to change his ways. He just views all critiques as player-hating. Isn't that obvious ITT?

We're not "bashing" poor OP. He's a grown man without a proper sense of reality. We're a splash of cold water. He doesn't need us to patronize him.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:40 AM   #536
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He's clearly not willing to change his ways. He just views all critiques as player-hating. Isn't that obvious ITT?

We're not "bashing" poor OP. He's a grown man without a proper sense of reality. We're a splash of cold water. He doesn't need us to patronize him.
Honestly, you're right.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:20 AM   #537
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Excuse you, not picking on you but that comment is pretty disgusting to post on a poker specific forum. It's not true at all and has no room to be on a forum like this. Please tell your story walking mate
It's the common sense and realistic view to take. Sorry it has offended you.

I said this in my NVG thread several weeks ago - 4 things need to be in place before you go pro.

1. You need to deeply enjoy the game both when you're winning and losing.
2. You need to be making significant money. At least as much as the average middle class wage where you live. Preferably a lot more.
3. The game can't consume your life in a negative way
4. You have a good backup plan if games dry up or get too tough to beat

The vast majority don't even have 1 of these in place, let alone all 4 of them.

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I don't get why (almost) everyone is bashing the OP. Ok, he didn't earn his money just as honorable and mathematically safe-way as the best most steady regs. He took a gamble, he had a decent chance to bust, but he sunrun over that. Now he has a nice roll. He can just put some online and start crushing NL$100 ZOOM or $30 spins, minimum, if he's willing to change his ways and start being more solid / steady, both earning more than his PIZZA job, or just drop down a stake in live cash and earn the "long distance".
If it was so easy to start crushing 100 zoom or $30 spins, everyone would be doing it.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:17 AM   #538
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It's the common sense and realistic view to take. Sorry it has offended you.

I said this in my NVG thread several weeks ago - 4 things need to be in place before you go pro.

1. You need to deeply enjoy the game both when you're winning and losing.
2. You need to be making significant money. At least as much as the average middle class wage where you live. Preferably a lot more.
3. The game can't consume your life in a negative way
4. You have a good backup plan if games dry up or get too tough to beat

The vast majority don't even have 1 of these in place, let alone all 4 of them.

If it was so easy to start crushing 100 zoom or $30 spins, everyone would be doing it.
ALL GOOD
OP how about some more chip pron from crown...and some degen stories of some pots or life in general
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Old 05-17-2018, 11:16 AM   #539
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It's the common sense and realistic view to take. Sorry it has offended you.

I said this in my NVG thread several weeks ago - 4 things need to be in place before you go pro.

1. You need to deeply enjoy the game both when you're winning and losing.
2. You need to be making significant money. At least as much as the average middle class wage where you live. Preferably a lot more.
3. The game can't consume your life in a negative way
4. You have a good backup plan if games dry up or get too tough to beat

The vast majority don't even have 1 of these in place, let alone all 4 of them.

If it was so easy to start crushing 100 zoom or $30 spins, everyone would be doing it.
OP has all 4 covered.
Vaaaaaaamooooooooo
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:00 PM   #540
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OP has all 4 covered.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:50 PM   #541
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If it was so easy to start crushing 100 zoom or $30 spins, everyone would be doing it.
It's not a cakewalk, but it's pretty doable if you can full time dedicate yourself and can boost your progress via injecting money in a smart way.

There's a healthy population of both winning $30 and $100 spins regs, that's why there's so many spins stables, it's a profitable thing to put your horsees in.
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Old 05-17-2018, 05:37 PM   #542
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Yep. Op's got the backup plan covered.

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Old 05-18-2018, 01:37 PM   #543
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Broke even after a 14 hour session

Last night I started playing at midnight and left at 2pm. I began at 2/5 where I made $600 profit initially then made a few bad decisions and broke even. The game dried up after 2am and became very reg heavy.

Meanwhile, one of my mates was sitting on the 1/3 PLO table and telling me how much of a gold mine it was. I went over and railed for a few minutes. There were several players with 1k+ stacks and people were going crazy and stacking off with ridiculous hands. Some players were putting 200bbs in preflop with PLO hands that were equivalent to something like Q6s in NLHE (bottom 50% hands).

I was on the waiting list for literally 4 hours. No one wanted to leave the table. In the meantime, I played some 1/3 NL and made $400 profit there until I eventually got a seat at the PLO table.

Once I got on the table, I ran a bit bad and played fairly loose initially. I was quickly in for $1300 at the PLO table. But then things started to turn and I managed to build up a $2300 stack. I could feel that I was a huge favourite anytime I put my stack in and I wasn't paying off the loose-passive players when they hit their obvious draw on the river and donked into me.

For several hours, my stack only fluctuated between $1500 and $2300. The game had dried up a little but it was still very soft. Then the tiredness really started to kick in. I progressively started to loosen up my range, gamble more and put less thought into each decision. I was so tired that I could barely keep my eyes open and it was hard for me to even figure out what hand I had.

After 11am, some new players came to the table and they looked so fresh and disciplined. I played with them for a few hours and my stack dropped down from $2300 to $988. At that stage, I had had enough. I literally just stood up suddenly and said "f**k this, I'm done*, picked up my chips and walked straight to the cashier.

So ultimately made $88 profit for the night, which is kind of disappointing given that I would've made $1400 if I left at my peak - both my peak monetarily and my peak in terms of performance. But oh well, better than a loss I guess.

In total I'm now $12,554 up for live poker and $1,000 down at online poker this year.
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Old 05-18-2018, 01:44 PM   #544
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Broke even after a 14 hour session

Last night I started playing at midnight and left at 2pm. I began at 2/5 where I made $600 profit initially then made a few bad decisions and broke even. The game dried up after 2am and became very reg heavy.

Meanwhile, one of my mates was sitting on the 1/3 PLO table and telling me how much of a gold mine it was. I went over and railed for a few minutes. There were several players with 1k+ stacks and people were going crazy and stacking off with ridiculous hands. Some players were putting 200bbs in preflop with PLO hands that were equivalent to something like Q6s in NLHE (bottom 50% hands).

I was on the waiting list for literally 4 hours. No one wanted to leave the table. In the meantime, I played some 1/3 NL and made $400 profit there until I eventually got a seat at the PLO table.

Once I got on the table, I ran a bit bad and played fairly loose initially. I was quickly in for $1300 at the PLO table. But then things started to turn and I managed to build up a $2300 stack. I could feel that I was a huge favourite anytime I put my stack in and I wasn't paying off the loose-passive players when they hit their obvious draw on the river and donked into me.

For several hours, my stack only fluctuated between $1500 and $2300. The game had dried up a little but it was still very soft. Then the tiredness really started to kick in. I progressively started to loosen up my range, gamble more and put less thought into each decision. I was so tired that I could barely keep my eyes open and it was hard for me to even figure out what hand I had.

After 11am, some new players came to the table and they looked so fresh and disciplined. I played with them for a few hours and my stack dropped down from $2300 to $988. At that stage, I had had enough. I literally just stood up suddenly and said "f**k this, I'm done*, picked up my chips and walked straight to the cashier.

So ultimately made $88 profit for the night, which is kind of disappointing given that I would've made $1400 if I left at my peak - both my peak monetarily and my peak in terms of performance. But oh well, better than a loss I guess.

In total I'm now $12,554 up for live poker and $1,000 down at online poker this year.
At this point you should obviously have quit the game. Its difficult to get a more slamdunk no brainer decision regarding quitting, because be a good quitter is an art on its own.

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Old 05-18-2018, 02:26 PM   #545
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At this point you should obviously have quit the game. Its difficult to get a more slamdunk no brainer decision regarding quitting, because be a good quitter is an art on its own.
Stop hating.

Didn't you you read that 6bm "profited" several times throughout the session?

Don't listen OP. You clearly have your priorities straight. Haters gonna hate.
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Old 05-18-2018, 02:34 PM   #546
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The problem was moving down from 2/5 to 1/3. How do you expect to maintain a decent hourly that way?
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Stop hating.

Didn't you you read that 6bm "profited" several times throughout the session?

Don't listen OP. You clearly have your priorities straight. Haters gonna hate.
Exactly. Obviously also standard bankrollconsiderations to sit with a stack of 2300 in play at the table, witch is close to 30 percent of your total bankroll.

I mean, PLO is such a low variance game though- so with OPs likely absurdly big edge i guess its not that big of a risk.
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It's the common sense and realistic view to take. Sorry it has offended you.

I said this in my NVG thread several weeks ago - 4 things need to be in place before you go pro.

1. You need to deeply enjoy the game both when you're winning and losing.
2. You need to be making significant money. At least as much as the average middle class wage where you live. Preferably a lot more.
3. The game can't consume your life in a negative way
4. You have a good backup plan if games dry up or get too tough to beat

The vast majority don't even have 1 of these in place, let alone all 4 of them.

If it was so easy to start crushing 100 zoom or $30 spins, everyone would be doing it.
I think that all 4 things apply to me:

1. I definitely enjoy playing the big games like the $2/$5 and higher where you need to be creative with your lines, although I find the lower games like the $1/$3 are more of just a grind. I only play the lower games so that I can build up a bankroll, which is why I sometimes get very money-oriented and don't enjoy the game as much when I'm losing.

2. Compared to my minimum-wage job, I am earning significant money at poker. Having the ability to put in full-time hours or more if I desire, rather than being at the mercy of working a job only at whatever hours is convenient for my employer, increases the potential by a long shot.

3. Once I get into a good routine where I fix my sleeping pattern, eat healthily, go to the gym 3 days per week, play+study poker 6 days per week and take 1 day per week off to relax and hang out with my girlfriend and friends, then poker will fit in very nicely. It won't negatively consume me anymore than any other full-time job would negatively consume me.

4. My backup plan if the games get tougher is to study harder and improve my game. As long as my skill increases at an equal or faster rate than the rest of the pool, then this should never be an issue. If the games dry up in my local casino then I'll either move cities or look for other avenues like home games, poker apps, various online poker sites, etc. I'm also open to play more PLO if the NLHE games dry up, and if necessary, I will even learn new variants like the mixed games. I'm flexible.

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At this point you should obviously have quit the game. Its difficult to get a more slamdunk no brainer decision regarding quitting, because be a good quitter is an art on its own.
Yeah ideally I'd have quit at my peak, but at least I'm glad I quit before the stage where i lost my entire stack and rebought. Things could've ended a lot worse if I didn't quit when I did, or worse: if I played a degenerate game like roulette in order to chase my losses.
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Its not really about quitting when you was at your peak stackwise that was my point. That is resultoriented thinking, you should play as long as the game is good and you can maintain close to your best game.

The reason you should have snapquit at the time, was when you started widening your range considerably, gambling more and barely could see your cards because you was falling asleep at the table. This is a form of tilt, when you deviate alot from how you normally play for example playing alot more hands or gambling more than you usually does.
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The problem was moving down from 2/5 to 1/3. How do you expect to maintain a decent hourly that way?
I know, right?

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