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Old 05-14-2018, 01:41 AM   #426
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But according to you your mom is a horrible human being who only was with your dad because she wanted to use him for his money. Why would you want to spend time with someone like that?
They definitely had a difficult relationship. Coming from perpetually warring Asian countries, they had all kinds of differences culturally educationally philosophically. A wonderful mother can be a non-ideal wife. A hardworking excellent father can be constantly in tension with his wife.

Just because a couple doesn’t get along, doesn’t mean their son has to hold a grudge against either of them. My mom is a woman and I don’t expect anything different.

It might sound like I hate women but I don’t. Women can be great support in life and they can be highly pleasurable obviously. I just haven’t needed to buy affection and sex for a while now. Girls throw themselves at me, look at me with eyes that only a small percentage of men will ever experience and understand, and twirl their hair.

I’m tall, youthful, sharp-looking, and exotic some women would say. Good genetics, yes. But also a sense that I’ve seen their kind and dgaf what they think of me. When they give me bs, I ignore them. When they cling, I just take it as how girls are; they need a rudder in life and are in general way more insecure than men.

They do favors for me without my prompting and hit me up with long emails and messages. They ask me out of dates and ask when we’re hanging out next. They buy me all kinds of things. They escalate and ask me the same question, “how many lovers do you have?” This is the mystery they want to solve.

If the answer is many or most likely many or could be many, they want him to become exclusive with them. If he agrees too eagerly, the woman knows she’s won the game. Nothing wrong with letting a woman think she’s won the game for a while as long as you know you can leave anytime and have several options ready. This is what gets women wet. She wants to have to hold onto you.

Sorry fellas, this is how the game works. Clearly lots of you have no idea and masturbate to mental images of women you can only fantasize about. Then hold onto to the first whiff of taco you come across and work like a slave for pity sex every once in while. Most of you will never actually wake up though. It’s ok, more hungry girls.

Any man who clings to a woman is playing the submissive role. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just not what a man who lives in a state of amused mastery does.

Bottom line. OP’s relationship with his gf will be at the core of his story. He is a stage 5 clinger.

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Old 05-14-2018, 02:06 AM   #427
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They definitely had a difficult relationship. Coming from perpetually warring Asian countries, they had all kinds of differences culturally educationally philosophically. A wonderful mother can be a non-ideal wife. A hardworking excellent father can be constantly in tension with his wife.

Just because a couple doesnít get along, doesnít mean their son has to hold a grudge against either of them. My mom is a woman and I donít expect anything different.

It might sound like I hate women but I donít. Women can be great support in life and they can be highly pleasurable obviously. I just havenít needed to buy affection and sex for a while now. Girls throw themselves at me, look at me with eyes that only a small percentage of men will ever experience and understand, and twirl their hair.

Iím tall, youthful, sharp-looking, and exotic some women would say. Good genetics, yes. But also a sense that Iíve seen their kind and dgaf what they think of me. When they give me bs, I ignore them. When they cling, I just take it as how girls are; they need a rudder in life and are in general way more insecure than men. They do favors for me without my prompting and hit me up with long emails and messages. They ask me out of dates and ask when weíre hanging out next. They buy me all kinds of things. They escalate and ask me the same question, ďhow many lovers do you have?Ē This is the mystery they want to solve. If the answer is many or most likely many, they want him to become exclusive with them. If he agrees too eagerly, the woman knows sheís won the game. Nothing wrong with letting a woman think sheís won the game for a while as long as you know you can leave anytime and have several options ready. This is what gets women wet. She wants to have to hold onto you.

Sorry fellas, this is how the game works.

Any man who clings to a woman is playing the submissive role. Nothing wrong with that. Itís just not what a man who lives in a state of amused mastery does.

Bottom line. OPís relationship with his gf will be at the core of his story. He is a stage 5 clinger.
LMFAO. #Megalomaniac
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:31 AM   #428
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Iphone 7+ is an economical choice. That is, compared to the most expensive smart phone ever the Iphone X. OP youre logic is abstract enough to beat 10/20+.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:41 AM   #429
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When its all over at least someone got a new phone out of it.
And this might be one of the wittiest replies Iíve read in a while on 2p2.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:29 AM   #430
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$1088 profit at 2/5. Paid for the phone

Had a 5hr session today and won $1088 at 2/5. The game was somewhat loose-passive, except for a few young regs who were kind of TAG. It definitely wasn't as bad as the last 2/5 session I played, although it wasn't full of whales either.

There weren't too many huge pots. It was mostly a bunch of medium-sized pots. I'd pull small bluffs on the flop and turn and they'd usually get through. I'd get thin value with second pair on the river instead of checking back. And I called out a few bluffs, like calling turn and river with AT on a Q88TQ board and having my opponent show 33. Stuff like that.

The only crazy hand was this one that I played against a young LAG reg:

$800 effective, 7-handed

Villain opens $25 UTG
Hero 3bets $80 BTN with A2dd
Villain calls $80

Flop ($152) is Th 7h 5h

Villain checks
Hero bets $100
Villain calls $100

Turn ($352) is 3h

Villain checks
Hero checks

River ($352) is 6s

Villain bets $150
Hero jams $620
Villain folds fairly quickly and I show the bluff

So a few notes on this hand:
1) Preflop is a mistake. Far better candidates to 3bet bluff with are A3s-A5s.
2) Flop Cbet is too large. Better would be something like $60.
3) Turn I'm happy with. I can definitely check back some flushes here to trap, including nut flushes. I can also check back sets.
4) I think a river raise gets through ridiculously often in this spot. People will often fold the Kh here with a smile on their face. I'm only really getting called by 13 combos here (AhJx, AhQx and A2hh-A9hh), and there's a decent chance that villain would simply have x/raised the flop if he had the naked Ah, which means he's effectively folding all but 5 combos of his range in this spot.
5) Showing my hand was a massive mistake. I should never have shown another reg that I'm capable of making this play.

So anyway, I'm back up to $12,052 profit for the year at live poker, which is nice. And it feels good to spend a huge amount of money in one day and then make it all back plus more, just a few hours later.

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Old 05-14-2018, 03:41 AM   #431
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$1053 profit at 2/5. Paid for the phone
And it feels good to spend a huge amount of money in one day and then make it all back plus more, just a few hours later.
And this is how you go broke.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:44 AM   #432
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Yup, thank the pokergods (variancegods) OP that you won 1 grand instead of losing 1 or 2 grand.

Even continue to play 2/5 with around 6500 roll is just the absolute worst bankrollmanagment. It literally only takes 3-4 bad sessions with some big suckouts or real runbad before you go completely busto. But i know you havent experienced the doomswitch yet, so you believe you are invinsible- wich you have in common with the countless of pokerplayers that fails and go broke every year.

As alot of other posters have mentioned you have proven over and over again that you simply doesent listen, and you habiatually avoid posts over the course of this thread that would be of huge value to you regarding constructive critisism.

I am simply in for the popcorn and the trainwreck waiting to happen factor at this point. If you continue to play stakes above your roll, having like 15 percent of your total roll on the table and that kind of stuff combined with torching off money on your girlfriend with expensive phones and resturant visits- i also agree that its like 95 percent chance you hit bustoland before the year is over.
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Old 05-14-2018, 05:16 AM   #433
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I think Spirit can be very negative and haw extreme views, but a lot of his posts ime/imo hold a lot of weight in dating women. If you’re really good, women will be buying you things, asking when the next hang out is, and chasing after you (not the other way around 99% of the time. Once you, as a man, show weakness/clinginess, you lose the game. You are, in a way, their tool. Men in today’s society try to hard to please women. And there are a lot of desperate men for attention/validation, etc. It’s very easy to get taken advantage of if you arent confident in yourself. He is right that in a way, a decent amount of men become “slaves” to women.

OP, i dont want to make any big assumptions or judgments. But the fact that your girlfriend was okay with you spending over 12% of your ****ing LIFEROLL on HER phone should be a huge ****ing redflag. You dont need to validate yourself to her. And i dont know if it’s true, but it seems like you’re paying her rent as well and taking her out constantly to expensive meals? Dude, i dont want to be a dick, but grow some balls and man the **** up. It looks like your relationship is 80/20 or 85/15. If you really want to be happy with a woman and make her desire you, it should be at least in the 40/60-60/40 range. She needs to NEED you, take YOU out, buy **** for YOU. I dont want to act like im a woman expert, but if a woman aint investing in you, you’re most likely not worth it. E.g confidence issues, clinginess, investing too much in her and she’ll get used to it, knowing she can walk out anytime. When a woman knows that she needs you and that you can walk out on her anytime/dont need her like many desperate men do today, that’s when YOU win. The ball is in your court. Unfortunately, so many men now are so needy and willingly display that to women. One word. TURNOFF.

My god, you really never listen to the advice in this thread. Nobody gives a **** you won enough money at 2-5 to pay back the phone. What if your bluff there went wrong and you got snapped off by the Ah? You wouldnt be doing so well now would you?

Also, flop bet is just awful. So is the preflop 3-bet. The river jam is also awful because he’s either turning a hand into a bluff (not that likely) or betting Kh/Ah. He is not betting worse for value, and you should have gotten snapped off here a large % of the time. The fact that you’re running like ****ing god, you think you’re invincible and dont give a **** about what other people are saying when they’ve all been in the exact same situation as you once or even multiple times.

Tbh, i dont really have much else to say. I was really rooting for you, even when you kept ignoring everyone’s advice. But I think you really will have to experience this doomswitch for yourself to be humbled and learn from your mistakes. Sure, there’s a non-zero chance you keep running like god and move onto 2/5 and 5/10. But im sure that’s unlikely without any rock bottoms/big hurdles on the way. And even if you did, you’d plummet super hard into rock bottom when you use your same terrible habits at mid-stakes, where the costs and damages will be even bigger.

I was really rooting for you OP, but this thread is just so tilting. You seriously need to get your **** together or learn the ****ing hard way.

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Old 05-14-2018, 06:35 AM   #434
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The irony of some of these posts about women and calling men who faun over them pathetic is astounding. If you got your feelings hurt by a woman and now you're going full retard and have rationalized some way to see them and treat them that lessens there emotional effect on you, you're not winning at life even if you're getting hella ass, you're a weak fragile ***** on the inside. You have, in fact, not detached yourself from them as a measure of self-worth in your life as evidenced by the need to rack them up like a score and judging other men by how women treat them. Is it not possible to simply treat all people with respect and as individuals and if **** don't work out you just move on with your life? Man the **** up, this **** is sad.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:31 AM   #435
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So I want to address a few key concerns that people keep bringing up:

"If you keep playing 2/5 then you're going to go broke. It's not good BRM."

Firstly, half my winnings came from playing 2/5 underrolled in the first place. The worst that could ever happen to me now is I give back the money that I should never have won in the first place. Secondly, I'm now at 15 buyins for 2/5, which is pretty much an aggressive bankroll. I'd literally have to go on the biggest downswing of one's entire poker career, and that downswing would have to start now, in order for me to bust. Even if I go on a 5 buyin upswing before that mega 15 buyin downswing sets in, I've still survived it.

"If you keep jumping stakes, then you'll go bust."

Except the highest game that runs regularly at my casino is the 5/5/10, and the highest game that runs more than once a month is the 5/10/20. There's a cap on how many times I can jump stakes. Once I'm rolled for 5/5/10, there isn't really a stake that I can "move up to", so I'm pretty safe once I get to the point where I have a 25k bankroll. There's not much moving up after that in terms of live poker.

"Your girlfriend is using you for your money."

So why didn't she leave me back when I had nothing?
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you never had bigger than 15 buy in downswing? lawl
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:12 AM   #438
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The irony of some of these posts about women and calling men who faun over them pathetic is astounding. If you got your feelings hurt by a woman and now you're going full retard and have rationalized some way to see them and treat them that lessens there emotional effect on you, you're not winning at life even if you're getting hella ass, you're a weak fragile ***** on the inside. You have, in fact, not detached yourself from them as a measure of self-worth in your life as evidenced by the need to rack them up like a score and judging other men by how women treat them. Is it not possible to simply treat all people with respect and as individuals and if **** don't work out you just move on with your life? Man the **** up, this **** is sad.
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Not sure which of these is the best post itt. One gives sage advice to a bunch of 20-25 year old Dear Johns...but I've never seen the ostrich one b4 and that got me good.
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Lmao, on point. OP is one of the most relentless people i have seen in poker for a while in terms of consistently refuse to listen to advice from people with 10-15-20 years behind them in the game and thousands of hours in livepoker at different casinos.

Coming up with excuses after excuse for keep playing 2-5 and 5/10 severly underrolled.

You have never experienced a serious downswing in your life, so i mean you should be forgiven because you literally have no idea what the hell youre talking about.
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I realize now that I made an huge mistake in self-banning myself from this thread...in my defence, how could I know it would evolve into a pgc epic of biblical proportions.

So I must throw myself at the mercy of op and the group, because I seriously need help...

I am about to renew my mobile contract...should I stay with Pixel and upgrade to Pixel 2, or should I go with a Galaxy S9?

And since we must give back, when we get, a little genuine advice (from an older man) for Spirit123

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They escalate and ask me the same question, ďhow many lovers do you have?Ē
yeah, you are misunderstanding them mate. They mean how many male lovers do you have. A lot of ladies are into a bit of man-on-man action and they probably just wanna watch.
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Old 05-14-2018, 09:39 AM   #441
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Spirit is bang on. A lot of you would benefit from reading the black dragon blog. Especially those crying sexism/misogyny lol.
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Some very interesting discussion. This is turning into a great thread. Too bad the OP just ignores all the advice he's getting.

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I feel like many people are trying to rescue OP from disaster, but the person in danger is so young and inexperienced that he has to be humbled through personal suffering. This is an amazing example of how nothing anybody else says in this thread is going to be able to change OP’s mind as much as wed like. It’s already hard enough to change ourselves let alone other people.
This is very true. People are extremely stubborn and set in their ways/beliefs. OP is never going to change, no matter how much advice people give him.

Watching the OP's situation play out is kind of fascinating.
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Some very interesting discussion. This is turning into a great thread. Too bad the OP just ignores all the advice he's getting.

This is very true. People are extremely stubborn and set in their ways/beliefs. OP is never going to change, no matter how much advice people give him.

Watching the OP's situation play out is kind of fascinating.
+1, I'm staying for the ride.

Also lol at never having a 15bi downswing, you've obviously not played poker for long. Given your roll is your life roll then it's less than 15bi. If you lose 10bi will you drop down? You played 2/5 underrolled last time so you probably will next time.
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Spirit is bang on. A lot of you would benefit from reading the black dragon blog. Especially those crying sexism/misogyny lol.
That guy really knows his market with a blog name like that. Yikes

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The sad thing is that I work 5 nights per week, so I should be able to cover my entire cost of living and add $100 to my bankroll every week, just from the money I earn at work, but recently, I've been giving a lot of money to my girlfriend and taking her out to a lot of expensive restaurants, so I've been spending far more than my work income and I have to deduct money from my bankroll for life expenses.
If you don’t see this as your main problem, OP, you are in for a lot of pain in your life. Read it over and over and see if you think there is anything you could slightly tweak with this picture and your life? You have a thick skull but, really, do your best to look at this paragraph as rationally as possible. Are you able to imagine a world in which you don’t pay for a girl’s living expenses?

You don’t have a lot of money. You have “a few thousand.” You know how fast a few thousand can come and go at 3/5+? I don’t actually think you know. I think this is your first real go at poker. You’re not listening to people who have been playing a decade or more and have made the same type of mistakes you are making now. Also, is this your first serious gf? How long have you been with her? How have you given so much power away?

You are 24. This is the time to be selfish and build your skills and cash flow. Stop spending money on a woman. Women will always be here for the rest of your life. New girls turn 18 everyday. You will have plenty of opportunities to buy things for women when you are older with a bit more money. Can you hold this desire to spend money on a woman back even a little? If not, I understand. We’re all conditioned by the media to buy stuff for women, to become a girl’s tool.

Think, even the people who don’t agree with me: why is Valentine’s Day mostly about men buying women gifts, chocolates, jewelry, flowers? Why isn’t it about women buying men powertools or laptops or whatever? Why is Mother’s Day way more popular and marketed than Father’s Day?

The feminine consumes. Our whole western culture is designed to feminize men, to make them weak and easily manipulated by images designed to separate man and his time and money and focus. The media gets men to spend like women do to please women. It gets men dependent on external technologies and services to go about their daily lives. A man becomes a cog in the corporate machine without direction or will of his own. The system turns the majority of men into consuming/slaving/spending sheep.

Men become spectators watching sports, watching the stock market, watching poker games, watching crypto prices go up and down, reading about companies taking each other over, watching politics, reading the news.

Can you see beyond the things you’re fed through the eyes everyday? All the logos and signs and words and colors meant to imprint certain perceptions and thoughts in your mind that benefit people trying to sell something to you?

Some people might be good at poker but they are still completely in the matrix created by modern westernized capitalistic media re: technology, corporations, women, sex, roles of men in relationships, roles of men in life in general. The conditioning is mad deep.

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Yeah, who needs women? Reproduction is outdated. We can just clone ourselves instead.
Don't forget robots.

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LOL.

Reminds me of that movie "Ex Machina". The robot in that was gorgeous.

Worth seeing if you haven't seen it.
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To be fair, I think whilst spirit is prob a little too tin foil hat for my likings (I agree with a lot of his thought processes and appreciate he somewhat has reasoning behind his theories); I definitely do agree that the culture of the world is a consumerism based culture which forces spending as it is beneficial for how our house of cards works.

GL OP maybe Iíll see you on the felt. :3
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Currently $7500. But it's about to take another hit over the next 2 days, since:
1) It's Mother's Day tomorrow and I plan to spend about $300 buying my mum a new handbag.
2) My girlfriend's phone just broke. It had been acting weird for months but now it won't even turn on. I plan to buy her a new phone which will cost about $1200.

The sad thing is that I work 5 nights per week, so I should be able to cover my entire cost of living and add $100 to my bankroll every week, just from the money I earn at work, but recently, I've been giving a lot of money to my girlfriend and taking her out to a lot of expensive restaurants, so I've been spending far more than my work income and I have to deduct money from my bankroll for life expenses.
Don't spend so much money on luxury items you can't afford!

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Just something to think about: if opís gf cared about op (read: she doesnít), would she be asking him to give her money, dinners, and a new phone? Would she be asking him to sacrifice his goals of being financially independent to satisfy her desire to be seen with the newest gadget and eat fat steaks and sushi?

But itís not all on her. OP wants to be used. He wants love from a woman. Thereís nothing wrong with that. But heís trying to buy love. Heís trying to be a sugar daddy to the best of his ability. But heís a kid. He doesnít know what heís doing.

I know I didnít listen to my parents when they vehemently protested against my spending money on the gf. I was having sex, and lots of it, so screw what other people think, right? Well, looking back, of course my parents were right and I was blind.

Trying to impress women with money works to a certain extent if thatís the game you want to play. But just know if you flaunt money, thatís what the chicks will be after. Gold digging is more real than most men would like to admit.

A strong man is the prize. He who has gone to battle several times and survived (and better yet, won) is a rare commodity. Women are born, men are made. Look around in the world today. So many fat, low testerone men who donít know how to approach or talk with women. So many men begging for female attention. So many men putting women on pedestals. Of course, this is a great boon for men who actually work on their physique and psychological frame. Women are dying for unashamed masculinity.
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Bought girlfriend new phone

Today I bought an iPhone 7+ for my girlfriend which cost $850. It would've cost $1550 for an iPhone X or $1250 for a Samsung S9, but I took some advice from people in this thread and decided to buy a slightly cheaper smartphone, so as to not completely destroy my bankroll.

Still got $6700 in my bankroll, which is 22 buyins at 1/3 or 13 buyins at 2/5. Should be pretty easy to continue building this up from here. I plan to play a session today before work and probably keep going ahead with the daytime grind this week.
Doh.

GL OP.

Maybe you should move into a van with your girlfriend?? Think about it...
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:17 PM   #450
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

LOL Rich giving 6bet advice.

These threads crack me up. Comedy gold.
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