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10-21-2018 , 05:53 AM
H1. Is a fold oop, ip could 3bet vs smaller iso. cbet is spew jam is even more spew on a T turn. u could shove a Kd comfortably.

H2. 3bet is too big. Call is whatevercause of villains sizing. Jam ip doesn't accomplish much. U might even get called by AK lol.
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10-21-2018 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Hand 7: Potentially spewy?

CO is $29 deep; BTN is $9 deep
UTG limps $0.25
CO raises to $1.60 (This is an unusually big iso raise...?)
BTN flats $1.60
Hero 3bets $6.90 SB with A5dd
CO calls $6.90
BTN calls $6.90

Flop ($21.20) Js 7c 2d

Hero bets $5.35
CO calls $5.35
BTN calls $2.12 (all-in short stack)

Turn ($34.02 total with side pot) Js 7c 2d Td

Hero jams $16.95
CO calls $16.95

River ($67.92) Js 7c 2d Td Kd

We scoop with our A5dd (nut flush)

Spoiler:
CO had KJcc
BTN had 76ss


Hand 8: Defending too much against 4bets

$36.71 effective
UTG raises $0.75
MP calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.25 BTN with KJcc
BB cold 4bets $7.50
Hero calls $7.50

I feel like I should've folded this hand to a 4bet, but at the same time, I'm struggling to come up with any reasonable range of hands that I can defend against 4bets with... should I just exploitatively fold like 90% of my range when facing a cold 4bet?

Flop ($16.60) 8c 8h 7c

BB bets $8.30
Hero jams $29.21
BB calls $29.21

Spoiler:
BB has Qs Qd
We turn the flush and scoop a $75 pot
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10-21-2018 , 06:04 AM
I'm sorry, but almost all these online hands hurt my eyes. How is it even possible that this much spewing and sunrunning can actually instill you with confidence? That is truly beyond me.

You're 3betting everything that remotely looks good for huge sizings with no regard whatsoever for position. Seriously, what are you even doing?
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10-21-2018 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Another 3 buyins profit online

Today has been a pretty solid day for me. Whilst I didn't put in a huge amount of volume (slightly over 1k hands), I did manage to make $150 profit at 25nl.

I sometimes wish that the human brain wasn't wired to be so results-oriented though. I notice that I was playing a very similar strategy when I went on a 14 buyin downswing a few weeks ago, and the thought process going through my head was quite negative. I questioned whether I could beat online and I had low confidence and wanted to take a break. Yet now that I'm winning, suddenly I feel confident again, I feel like the 25nl players are fishy calling stations and I feel like I can crush them and move up to 50nl in no time. I always gain a lot of confidence during my upswings and lose a lot of confidence during my downswings. And even though I'm mentally aware enough to recognise these thoughts are happening, I still can't stop them. Recognition of a bias doesn't always remove the bias, imo.

I've already posted 6 hand histories today, so I'll just post 2 more:

Hand 7: Potentially spewy?

CO is $29 deep; BTN is $9 deep
UTG limps $0.25
CO raises to $1.60 (This is an unusually big iso raise...?)
BTN flats $1.60
Hero 3bets $6.90 SB with A5dd
CO calls $6.90
BTN calls $6.90

Flop ($21.20) Js 7c 2d

Hero bets $5.35
CO calls $5.35
BTN calls $2.12 (all-in short stack)

Turn ($34.02 total with side pot) Js 7c 2d Td

Hero jams $16.95
CO calls $16.95

River ($67.92) Js 7c 2d Td Kd

We scoop with our A5dd (nut flush)

Spoiler:
CO had KJcc
BTN had 76ss


Hand 8: Defending too much against 4bets

$36.71 effective
UTG raises $0.75
MP calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.25 BTN with KJcc
BB cold 4bets $7.50
Hero calls $7.50

I feel like I should've folded this hand to a 4bet, but at the same time, I'm struggling to come up with any reasonable range of hands that I can defend against 4bets with... should I just exploitatively fold like 90% of my range when facing a cold 4bet?

Flop ($16.60) 8c 8h 7c

BB bets $8.30
Hero jams $29.21
BB calls $29.21

Spoiler:
BB has Qs Qd
We turn the flush and scoop a $75 pot
Every time I say to myself I'm not going to post in this thread anymore I get dragged back in.

Since your 200NL coach told you that A5s, KJs and 98s should be raise or folds instead of calls (which is correct in theory) have you ever folded one? Seriously, almost every HH starts with one of these hands. Just think about how KJ does against a cold 4 betting range of TT+ AK+. With the A5 you even say the iso is big and you still put in almost 30 ****ing big blinds with A5 as a cold raise when the bb is committed for 20% of his stack already. When you bet the flop the bb is never folding and you're almost never winning. In one of the previous hands you're 3 betting AJo vs an UTG open from a short stacker.

I'm not a cash reg but as almost every other poster in here is pointing out, you're getting into ridiculous spots with marginal hands and running like god against big hands. Can you not see that? You shouldn't be 3 betting every suited connector, especially if you can't fold to the 4 bet.
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10-21-2018 , 06:50 AM
Why are people saying that my 3bet sizes are too big? If anything, I felt like I could even be 3betting bigger.

The sizing that I've normally gone with is 3.3x IP and 4x OOP, but then I'll add x per limper. I'll adjust my sizing based on stack sizes though (if effective stacks are shallow, or if the initial raise was really big, then I'll 3bet smaller).

What would you recommend instead?
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10-21-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
Every time I say to myself I'm not going to post in this thread anymore I get dragged back in.

Since your 200NL coach told you that A5s, KJs and 98s should be raise or folds instead of calls (which is correct in theory) have you ever folded one? Seriously, almost every HH starts with one of these hands. Just think about how KJ does against a cold 4 betting range of TT+ AK+. With the A5 you even say the iso is big and you still put in almost 30 ****ing big blinds with A5 as a cold raise when the bb is committed for 20% of his stack already. When you bet the flop the bb is never folding and you're almost never winning. In one of the previous hands you're 3 betting AJo vs an UTG open from a short stacker.

I'm not a cash reg but as almost every other poster in here is pointing out, you're getting into ridiculous spots with marginal hands and running like god against big hands. Can you not see that? You shouldn't be 3 betting every suited connector, especially if you can't fold to the 4 bet.
The AJo hand was only because he min-raised to $0.50, so I felt that his range is going to be wider than normal. I would've folded if he opened to $0.75 instead.

The A5s hand felt like a good squeezing combo but I'm not entirely sure what my squeezing range should be in that spot. I was sort of just playing off intuition.
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10-21-2018 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
So you defend OP for not wanting to work part time when min wage is $20, but you're ok with him making $7.50 /hr (after the split w/ backer) on stake?

I'm all for taking a paycut to be happy, but it has to be reasonable. How is he ever supposed to feed himself? The ones telling him to work are the ones that don't want him to end up on the streets.
The OP isn't capable at this time to take the best decision (quit poker, get some training in a field that gives him a chance to get promoted to a well paying job, and work). He won't work until he hits rock bottom. As long as he's convinced he's running bad, he would make the worst type of employee that will burn many bridges. Better for now to live hand to mouth and leave those bridges standing.
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10-21-2018 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
The OP isn't capable at this time to take the best decision (quit poker, get some training in a field that gives him a chance to get promoted to a well paying job, and work). He won't work until he hits rock bottom. As long as he's convinced he's running bad, he would make the worst type of employee that will burn many bridges. Better for now to live hand to mouth and leave those bridges standing.
I agree

Living Hand to Mouth>Living Ass to Mouth
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10-21-2018 , 07:18 AM
Play tighter vs a utg open your ATo hand should be a turn bet not a check. You can even check back that A22, as you should be doing this with AK sometimes aswell.
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10-21-2018 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Today has been a pretty solid day for me.
this guy

It's just alarming, how deluded you are regarding your "poker-career".

It's even more alarming, that you haven't anything else goin' for you.

No one here is trolling or bullying you, you really are THAT ******* BAD. Almost all your posts are just complete nonsense. And since there's no way in hell you'll ever start studying the game seriously (you don't even know what that means), you're just burning money. Think about it. That's all you dlou right now. Burn money.

As I'm sure, you'll just ignore the last paragraph or just shake it off:
I'm looking forward to many more posts of your epic poker-journey, buddy
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10-21-2018 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

I've already posted 6 hand histories today, so I'll just post 2 more:

Hand 7: Potentially spewy?

CO is $29 deep; BTN is $9 deep
UTG limps $0.25
CO raises to $1.60 (This is an unusually big iso raise...?)
BTN flats $1.60
Hero 3bets $6.90 SB with A5dd
CO calls $6.90
BTN calls $6.90

Flop ($21.20) Js 7c 2d

Hero bets $5.35
CO calls $5.35
BTN calls $2.12 (all-in short stack)

Turn ($34.02 total with side pot) Js 7c 2d Td

Hero jams $16.95
CO calls $16.95

River ($67.92) Js 7c 2d Td Kd

We scoop with our A5dd (nut flush)

Spoiler:
CO had KJcc
BTN had 76ss


Hand 8: Defending too much against 4bets

$36.71 effective
UTG raises $0.75
MP calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.25 BTN with KJcc
BB cold 4bets $7.50
Hero calls $7.50

I feel like I should've folded this hand to a 4bet, but at the same time, I'm struggling to come up with any reasonable range of hands that I can defend against 4bets with... should I just exploitatively fold like 90% of my range when facing a cold 4bet?

Flop ($16.60) 8c 8h 7c

BB bets $8.30
Hero jams $29.21
BB calls $29.21

Spoiler:
BB has Qs Qd
We turn the flush and scoop a $75 pot
Iso raise in hand 1 seems bad with short stacker, postflop is pretty bad also.

What's going on in hand 2?? Not a massive fan of the squeeze pre, depends on players in the blind I suppose. Calling the 4b is literally burning money.
Would you call a cold 4b live with KJcc?
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10-21-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
Iso raise in hand 1 seems bad with short stacker, postflop is pretty bad also.

What's going on in hand 2?? Not a massive fan of the squeeze pre, depends on players in the blind I suppose. Calling the 4b is literally burning money.
Would you call a cold 4b live with KJcc?
He would 5b because villain is a maniac.
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10-21-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me

Today has been a pretty solid day
CO is $29 deep; BTN is $9 deep
UTG limps $0.25
CO raises to $1.60 (This is an unusually big iso raise...?)

Yes so when people make it this ******edly big you don't need to start bluffing. Their sizing is the mistake, just attack it with value.

BTN flats $1.60
Hero 3bets $6.90 SB with A5dd
CO calls $6.90
BTN calls $6.90

Flop ($21.20) Js 7c 2d

Hero bets $5.35
CO calls $5.35
BTN calls $2.12 (all-in short stack)

I mean, did you expect CO to fold since he gets an insane price to call and he knows he is going to be protected on the turn by the shortie all in?

Turn ($34.02 total with side pot) Js 7c 2d Td

Hero jams $16.95

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

CO calls $16.95

River ($67.92) Js 7c 2d Td Kd

We scoop with our A5dd (nut flush)

Of course we do
So let's go over this hand. You have a ******ed UTG limper, that very well might be limpraising since fish love that and you have no info on them, then an iso raise that is so big you can just go for straight value since you're out of postition, oh and never mind the cold calling button that is so short he is obviously always folding right...... You bet the flop with no equity and no fold equity. Then you catch a miracle turn that actually improves a lot of the hands of CO as well and the chances of him folding are near 0. You're allowed to check you know, it's not like CO can bluff with the main pot secured by the short stack.

Now what did CO do wrong? His sizing pre is off, flop is fine, but then he calls the turn with a hand that you should almost always have beat. You should be printing money against this guy but clearly even your "best" equity bluff gets snapped off like it's hot. Villain should expect to be behind, yet he calls. Let me think of a way to exploit that.... let's go over the options shall we.

1) Bluff him at every opportunity. **** him and his big sizing, we're out of position against a limptard, iso moron and a flatting shortstack fish (and without info he could very well be trapping), we're going to take this pot at whatever cost.

2) Go ****ing value heavy on them

Of course you sunrun so pure you get away with it for now. In the long run that's detrimental but enjoy it for now.
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10-21-2018 , 09:34 AM
Wtf did I just witness?

$25 effective, 25nl online
CO raises $0.75
Hero 3bets $2.50 BTN with AQo
BB cold 4bets $7
CO calls $7
Hero folds

At this point, I decided to pause and witness the hand. I wanted to see what the BB was cold 4betting with and what the CO was flatting with...

Flop ($14.60) 6s 3h 2h

BB bets $5
CO calls $5

Turn ($24.60) 6s 3h 2h Qs

BB jams $13
CO calls $13

Now let's try to guess what hands they both have...

Spoiler:
BB shows Kh 5d
CO shows Kc Qc
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10-21-2018 , 10:06 AM
Whales and fishes do play online poker and you will see things like this happen.

A "reg" 3bet squeezing and calling a cold 4b with KJcc is also surprising lol.
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10-21-2018 , 10:08 AM
these guys are just free money. keep crushing!
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10-21-2018 , 11:30 AM
Fold AQ to a 4bet getting better than 3:1, but call a cold 4bet with KJ:

Chapter 1 in

How To Crush the Micros

by 6betme
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10-21-2018 , 12:31 PM
you don't need to defend particularly wide vs cold 4bets, just call pairs and don't defend below AJs and KQs, can also call A5s and A4s

also tgiggity KJs is probably closer to a call in the first spot than AQo is a defend in the 2nd spot (assuming we are not aware villain is cold 4betting trash like K5o lol)
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10-21-2018 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
you don't need to defend particularly wide vs cold 4bets, just call pairs and don't defend below AJs and KQs, can also call A5s and A4s

also tgiggity KJs is probably closer to a call in the first spot than AQo is a defend in the 2nd spot (assuming we are not aware villain is cold 4betting trash like K5o lol)
I think they're both really easy calls tbh, but given pot odds you're right that KJs would've been a worse fold
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10-21-2018 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Another 3 buyins profit online

Today has been a pretty solid day for me. Whilst I didn't put in a huge amount of volume (slightly over 1k hands), I did manage to make $150 profit at 25nl.

I sometimes wish that the human brain wasn't wired to be so results-oriented though. I notice that I was playing a very similar strategy when I went on a 14 buyin downswing a few weeks ago, and the thought process going through my head was quite negative. I questioned whether I could beat online and I had low confidence and wanted to take a break. Yet now that I'm winning, suddenly I feel confident again, I feel like the 25nl players are fishy calling stations and I feel like I can crush them and move up to 50nl in no time. I always gain a lot of confidence during my upswings and lose a lot of confidence during my downswings. And even though I'm mentally aware enough to recognise these thoughts are happening, I still can't stop them. Recognition of a bias doesn't always remove the bias, imo.

I've already posted 6 hand histories today, so I'll just post 2 more:

Hand 7: Potentially spewy?

CO is $29 deep; BTN is $9 deep
UTG limps $0.25
CO raises to $1.60 (This is an unusually big iso raise...?)
BTN flats $1.60
Hero 3bets $6.90 SB with A5dd
CO calls $6.90
BTN calls $6.90

Flop ($21.20) Js 7c 2d

Hero bets $5.35
CO calls $5.35
BTN calls $2.12 (all-in short stack)

Turn ($34.02 total with side pot) Js 7c 2d Td

Hero jams $16.95
CO calls $16.95

River ($67.92) Js 7c 2d Td Kd

We scoop with our A5dd (nut flush)

Spoiler:
CO had KJcc
BTN had 76ss


Hand 8: Defending too much against 4bets

$36.71 effective
UTG raises $0.75
MP calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.25 BTN with KJcc
BB cold 4bets $7.50
Hero calls $7.50

I feel like I should've folded this hand to a 4bet, but at the same time, I'm struggling to come up with any reasonable range of hands that I can defend against 4bets with... should I just exploitatively fold like 90% of my range when facing a cold 4bet?

Flop ($16.60) 8c 8h 7c

BB bets $8.30
Hero jams $29.21
BB calls $29.21

Spoiler:
BB has Qs Qd
We turn the flush and scoop a $75 pot
What on earth are you doing in both these hands?!!

Stop 3betting marginal hands. Literally right now. You're just spewing away money.

Regarding postflop, hand 7 is played way too aggressively. Don't cbet flop, little/none of his range is folding. You have no fold equity once he calls turn. I don't expect him to fold any hand in his range at this point, which consists almost purely of pairs by this point.

Hand 8, a jam looks exactly like the type of hand you have - a flush draw, straight draw or overcards looking to end the pot right there. Again, you sucked out.


Keep doing this and you will have 1 or 2 mammoth losing sessions where you burn through your entire bankroll. Your sunrun is not going to last forever.
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10-21-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
A "reg" 3bet squeezing and calling a cold 4b with KJcc is also surprising lol.


Quote:
Hand 8, a jam looks exactly like the type of hand you have - a flush draw, straight draw or overcards looking to end the pot right there. Again, you sucked out.
The jam is fine.
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10-22-2018 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dubnjoy000
Why are you 3betting UTG opens with middling hands? Pretty terrible fundamentals
Spoiler:
but you ran super hot postflop. I did like the A5s 3bet as a bluff, but I would not advocate it at your stakes/in your general game plan, as your opening-ranges fundamentals are off
That's what I said about the KJss hand, but some said "super standard 3 bet" and I was like .....OK
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10-22-2018 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I was sort of just playing off intuition.
so alot like phil helmuths white magic right?
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10-22-2018 , 04:10 AM
5 losing sessions in a row at 1/3 NL live

So not long ago, I was on a 1.9k downswing where I had 6 losing sessions in a row... I'd only just recovered from that and then BAM: another downswing emerges: this time I'm 2.3k down from my peak, which sets a new record for me as the biggest downswing I've ever had at 1/3 NL live. Fantastic.

It's kind of frustrating losing this much at such a soft, passive game. Today in particular, I lost $766 after 4.5 hours of playing (hit my stop loss and had to leave early), and it primarily boiled down to 4 things:
1) Lost $200 set over set
2) Lost $300 with flopped top 2pr vs turned set (2 outered)
3) Lost $90 TP + bdfd vs overpair
4) Lost about $300 from constantly missing flops and Cbets not getting through

I honestly can't be f**ked posting any hand histories because I'm not in the mood to have to deal with the haters today when I'm on the worst LLSNL downswing of my life.

I think I played very well today, but I can't be bothered providing hand histories as evidence of that. I don't feel like I need to prove myself in every session I play. I'll just let long-term results speak for themselves, and I'm going to ignore these short-term results and just stay focused.

I'm going to take a few hours break, watch some YouTube, play some online chess, maybe go for a walk... then I'll put in another 25nl online session tonight. Or not. We'll see how I feel. Right now I'm feeling really sh*t.
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10-22-2018 , 04:46 AM
Look on the bright side. I heard Pizza Hut are hiring.
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