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Old Today, 08:00 AM   #4151
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

On another note: I saw nanonoko today. He was playing a $5300 HU teams tournament. A few big poker names around Melbourne right now.
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Old Today, 08:03 AM   #4152
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Crushing the fish is taking their money. I'd say doing 90bb/100 over a irrelevant sample qualifies as crushing fish. Who ****ing cares if you play 1 hand all day or 50, it's the result that speaks. The fact that you sunrun in a short session and still complain should sound all kinds of alarms.
I barely got to play poker today though. No tough spots. Nothing interesting. Surely you've had sessions like these where you think to yourself "what's the point of me even being here, I might as well just program a robot to sit in my seat and fold for me, because that's all I'm doing... folding and waiting for premiums."
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Old Today, 08:08 AM   #4153
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If that is truly your opinion then don't play live poker. I have folded 60 hands straight yesterday and when I 3bet with aces I still get called. You should be happy with the variance free printing in your spot, but I guess you'd rather get AJo or KQo and gamble.
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Old Today, 08:10 AM   #4154
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1. So if he's such a high stakes player, why does it bewilder him when he sees someone checkraise air? A lot of high stakes player x/r bluffs too. It's called being balanced.
2. No I don't. I'm 3 buyins up after roughly 10k hands, and that's after my 14 buyin downswing. Clearly I don't get crushed and lose 10+ buyins every session.
1. Because you don't checkraise air against calling stations who can't fold. You do it in the right situations against the right opponents, not because your ego got the better of you.

2. Positive variance. Obviously not every session you lose 10+ buy ins, even bad players will have the occasional winning session by virtue of variance. The majority of online hands you've posted so far were played awfully - on that evidence alone, I find it hard to see you win at any level online.


Having said that, if you think you're a winner, prove it to us with your results over a large sample. I'm happy to alter my opinions of you being a winner online, once I actually see it happen.

At the moment, you're just all talk "there's no doubt I'm a winning player online, it's inevitable I beat 25nl online, 25nl is full of fish and mediocre regs etc.". Ok, go and beat it if you're so sure of that.
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Old Today, 08:15 AM   #4155
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If that is truly your opinion then don't play live poker. I have folded 60 hands straight yesterday and when I 3bet with aces I still get called. You should be happy with the variance free printing in your spot, but I guess you'd rather get AJo or KQo and gamble.
Believe it or not, I actually folded AJo today... UTG+2 raised to $15 and I folded in the SB with AJo.

Like I know exactly what I need to do to win money, but sometimes I wish that there was a fast fold button where I could move on to the next hand straight away and not waste my time. It feels so inefficient sitting there doing nothing. I almost wish I had a laptop next to me at the casino so I could play online hands between live hands, but I don't think they'd allow that.
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Old Today, 08:20 AM   #4156
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

you can play on ur phone in casinos?
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Old Today, 08:40 AM   #4157
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you can play on ur phone in casinos?
Nah my casino recently introduced a new bullsh*t rule where you can't be on your phone at all during a hand. So it wouldn't be feasible to play on your phone anymore, since you would occassionally need to play a live hand and an online hand at the same time, which they wouldn't allow.

I assume that the reason they introduced this rule is because they want to stop vloggers. I noticed that recently, a few people from Melbourne tried to start up poker vlogs on YouTube, which involves filming their hole cards, and the new rule was only introduced shortly after those vlogs started. Could just be a coincidence though.
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Old Today, 08:44 AM   #4158
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Not sure why you don't just play in the aps on your phone while you're at the casino. Instantly double your win rate.
See the above post.

Tl;dr: can't use your phone during a hand.
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Old Today, 10:25 AM   #4159
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

I mean your chosen profession means sitting there doing nothing for the majority of the time if you want to be profitable. Don’t like it then choose a different career path.
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Old Today, 10:31 AM   #4160
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

His chosen profession is to torch the money with Kx.

The chosen profession of his opponents is to sit and wait for this to happen.
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Old Today, 11:56 AM   #4161
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

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You say this as if it's a bad thing... of course I want to be the guy that runs over the table.
Most guys that "run over the table" in the classic sense win a lot of small pots, until they spew their money away in the big ones. Sounds somewhat familiar?

Also, why did you 3bet your set of threes on a T73rb board (in position)? Did you want him to fold his Tx or his bluffs or something?
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Old Today, 12:16 PM   #4162
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Short session, (relatively) tough table

Played a short 4hr session today and won $337. It was a fairly tough table today. I mean, 1/3 is never tough, but today I was surrounded by bad players instead of awful players, so that would've cut down my win rate a bit.

I didn't really get involved in too many big pots. I was card dead for the most part and I wasn't getting paid more than 1 street the few times when I flopped a set or top pair.

The only big pot I played was this one:

$200 effective, 8-handed
Hero raises $15 HJ with 33
CO calls $15
BB calls $15

Flop ($42, 3ways) is T73r

BB checks
Hero bets $25
CO raises to $60
BB folds
Hero 3bet jams $185
CO snap calls $185 and confidently slams down his AA

Not this time buddy, not this time...

So yeah, not the most exciting session... being card dead sucks. Not a single {99+, AQ+} in the entire 4 hour session. Not even exaggerating. It was just one of those days.

$4541 profit now after 86 hours playing 1/3 NL on DLuo's stake.
So how often do you expect to be making sets and top pair if 2 sets and a few TP is being "card dead" over 4 hours?

Reality check...

You get dealt a pair once every 17 hands. You flop a set+ once every 8.5 pocket pairs. If you see a flop 80% of the time you have a pair (the other 20% being everyone folds to your raise or you fold to a 3 bet), then you would have a set+ every roughly 180 hands.

In 4 hours you typically play around 120 hands so making even one set+ is above average and two is running good.
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Old Today, 12:16 PM   #4163
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He was oop fwiw
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Old Today, 12:55 PM   #4164
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He was oop fwiw
You're right, I thought it was vs the BB, my bad.
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Old Today, 04:34 PM   #4165
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

Something nobody mentions itt too :

No matter how successful you become at poker, it is an extremely dangerous job for someone young and irresponsible and on its last legs in terms of profitability. More importantly though you are essentially exploiting the system for freedom, which on the surface feels great. On the surface. Poker will never make you feel fulfilled long-term, since you're only taking from society and not providing anything of value. Find a job that helps humanity that you enjoy and you will find happiness. Do not get too attached to the idea of "showing these people what I am capable of" and long term poker thinking. It's your ego tricking you into long term failure and depression. Start now on having a plan B ready that you both enjoy somewhat/pays the bills/helps society, especially now when it needs it the most. Unfortunately, it seems like you're gonna need to learn this the hard way. Good luck.

Also, re the online vs live debate. Yes they are 2 different ball games which require much different skill sets. I wouldn't go so far as plo vs nl, but there are many many adjustments to be made back and forth and if you try and play the same style at both, you're doing it wrong.
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Old Today, 06:30 PM   #4166
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Something nobody mentions itt too :

No matter how successful you become at poker, it is an extremely dangerous job for someone young and irresponsible and on its last legs in terms of profitability. More importantly though you are essentially exploiting the system for freedom, which on the surface feels great. On the surface. Poker will never make you feel fulfilled long-term, since you're only taking from society and not providing anything of value. Find a job that helps humanity that you enjoy and you will find happiness. Do not get too attached to the idea of "showing these people what I am capable of" and long term poker thinking. It's your ego tricking you into long term failure and depression. Start now on having a plan B ready that you both enjoy somewhat/pays the bills/helps society, especially now when it needs it the most. Unfortunately, it seems like you're gonna need to learn this the hard way. Good luck.

Also, re the online vs live debate. Yes they are 2 different ball games which require much different skill sets. I wouldn't go so far as plo vs nl, but there are many many adjustments to be made back and forth and if you try and play the same style at both, you're doing it wrong.
So poker is depression in the long term, should he look for a job that contributes something to society? as for example what? Is it not possible to contribute something good to society and be a professional?
In my opinion a person should contribute to society with their behavior, all the time. Being a professional poker player is not against getting involved in social problems.
It is problematic to think that your work is your contribution to society, it is mediocre.
Nobody plays poker professionally all his life btw

In counter of what u think, i think poker is very good for a young and irresponsable person, We (i included here) are the people who will learn more from this game

It also seems that if the rest of the people of the world do not need any help from you, you would be depressed forever, when it should be the opposite

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Old Today, 06:31 PM   #4167
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

Solid post Trueblue

OP, for the sake of maturity/personal growth, ask yourself 2 questions (take a few minutes to think them over, I couldn't care less if you answer me or not ITT ) :

- Has poker been more detrimental or beneficial to you? Please be honest with yourself and factor in the Uni years where you let your degree slip away in favour of this game that you have - and let's be honest here - barely profited from, especially in proportion to sacrifices made of other interests and time invested...

- Why do you keep this thread alive? On one hand, you are very reluctant to consider the good advice offered to you ; and on the other hand, you have some of 2+2s worst blood attacking any mishap that you happen to make... So again, what is the core reason for exposing yourself/taking this daily virtual bashing?
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