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10-13-2018 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Fodersneso
If you wouldn't have bought time twice, you could have freerolled a vitamin water today
Sir, if I ever meet you in real life, I owe you a beverage of your choice for that laugh.
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10-13-2018 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
The greatest laydown of my entire poker career

Shorty (UTG) - MAWG. Seems fishy. $100.

Old man (BB) - 70 year old man. Tight image. $500.

Hero (BTN) - Young LAGtard image. $400.

Shorty limps $3 UTG
Hero raises $18 BTN with 6h 6c
Old man calls $18 BB
Shorty calls $18

Flop ($50, 3ways) is Qh 6d 2h

2 checks
Hero bets $30
Old man calls $30
Shorty folds

Turn ($104) is Qh 6d 2h Td

Old man checks
Hero bets $80
Old man calls $80

River ($260) is Qh 6d 2h Td 4d

Old man jams $270 effective
Hero tanks, buys time twice, then eventually folds the set face up
Old man now tables his hand...

Spoiler:
Q9dd (flush)


So f**king happy with my fold there. I can confidently say that this is the greatest laydown I've ever made. I read him like a book.
you really are pretty inexperienced if this is the biggest lay down of your career.lol
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10-13-2018 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
And why the f are you folding face up? Now he knows you are capable of folding a set when flush comes in which is significant info imo. U just wanted old saggynuts to table his hand so u could feel good about yourself?
good old ego thing.
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10-13-2018 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Pretty tough fold considering:
1) The backdoor flush got there but the frontdoor flush missed.
2) Hardly any possible straights.
3) No river raise. Just a river bet then a fold.
4) We potentially dominate a huge amount of value jamming hands (TPTK, overpairs, 2pr, weaker sets).
5) Old man is bluffing like 1% of the time.
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10-13-2018 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Pretty tough fold considering:
1) The backdoor flush got there but the frontdoor flush missed.
2) Hardly any possible straights.
3) No river raise. Just a river bet then a fold.
4) We potentially dominate a huge amount of value jamming hands (TPTK, overpairs, 2pr, weaker sets).
1.A flush is a flush. Vs tight or avg player it doesn't matter how it comes in. Sure if he's aggro or spewy or capable of chasing fd flush 2streets and bluffing then bd flush coming in is better call.

2.LUL

3.Donkshoving into an uncapped multiway double barrell range is relatively strong line as is.

4.70 year old tight player donkshoving tptk into u when he ties with your weakest value hand and your most obvious bluffs get there...
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10-13-2018 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Melbourne actually has the cleanest drinking water in the entire world. It's healthier to drink from the taps than it is to drink from a bottle.

Sometimes though, it can be tempted to drink those sugary drinks like Gatorade or Vitamin Water. But I try to resist.

There's no realistic way I can spend less than $20/day on food that doesn't involve either:
1) Skipping meals
2) Travelling home and back throughout the session, which would cut down on the volume I put in.
3) Bringing cold food to the casino in an airtight container.

And the reason I don't do any of those 3 options is:
1) Don't want to get even more skinny than I already am.
2) I've done the maths and, despite living just 10 mins walk from the casino, it actually costs me more money to go home and miss out on some volume than it does to spend $10-$15 on a meal at the casino. Especially once you factor in the $5 seating charge I have to pay again for being gone from my table for too long and getting picked up.
3) Who wants to eat cold food?
Or 4) eat a big meal before you go to the casino. I can eat a very large meal and it can fill me up for a good 8-9 hours, sometimes longer. Unless you're playing 12+ hour sessions all the time, this is what you should be doing. If you still get hungry, bring some light snacks in a tupperware box, such as nuts or fruit. Alternatively, eat a smaller meal before you go and pack some sandwiches. Of course you won't do this. You will continue to blow your money spending $25 a day on food.

And that fold is pretty straight forward, as everyone has mentioned. You've not played much poker in your life if that is your biggest fold.
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10-13-2018 , 07:56 AM
Make one big meal, eat the first half before you play and microwave the other half when you get back. One of the major advantages of poker is not having a fixed schedule and have the time to prepare a decent meal. Use it.
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10-13-2018 , 08:05 AM
Today I told 6bme about a place at the Casino that sells two large servings of pastas for $7.50. Pretty sure that's going to be his new go to place for the near future. The pasta tastes extremely average though, but can't complain for a $3.75 meal.

Also, 6betme had a monster 7.5 hour +2.1k session today. I'm sure he'll be posting about the hands and session details soon (:
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10-13-2018 , 08:06 AM
OP needs more advice on frugal, healthy eating.
It's the No1 factor holding him back from crushing 200z by the end of the year.
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10-13-2018 , 08:25 AM
The best 1/3 session of my entire life

So prior to today, I was on one of the worst 1/3 NL downswings of my poker career. I had 6 losing sessions in a row and had dropped more than $1900 during that time. I was starting to get frustrated. The game was so soft and so passive, yet I was consistently losing. I'd dropped half the profits that I made for DLuo during this time, which was very disappointing for me. But I was determined to put in more and more volume. I knew that the downswing wouldn't last forever. All I had to do was continue playing well and putting in more volume, and there would be a light at the end of the tunnel.

And that light came today: I played a 7.5 hour session today and made $2100 profit. In just a single session, I had won more than I'd lost during the entire 6 session losing streak prior to this. This is the most profit I've ever made in a single 1/3 NL session, and it came just at the right time.

It started with building an image: there was a period early on where I literally raised 10 hands in a row preflop. I was making a joke to the rest of the table about how I can raise every single hand and still win. I actually had decent hands to raise with on every occasion: ATo, KJs, KQo, ATs, AKo, T7s, etc. But they didn't know that, and they were starting to get annoyed at me.

I won a bunch of medium sized pots when I hit some hands and people who were normally nitty started to pay me off 1-2 streets with middling pairs. I also got lucky and won a $400 pot when I squeezed to $65 preflop with 76dd and an old guy cold 4bet jams $195, so I sigh call it off and manage to river the straight against his QQ. So I built up an $800 stack and then this hand happened:

$800 effective
2 limpers
Loose reg (covers everyone) raises $20 CO
Hero 3bets $70 SB with AKs
Reg calls $70

Flop ($135) is A92r

Hero bets $50
Reg calls $50

Turn ($235) is A92A

Hero bets $175
Reg calls $175

We have $500 behind after this bet, so we're looking for a low card on the river so we can stack AJ/AQ.

River ($585) is A92AQ

Not the river card I wanted to see. I decided to bet a non-committing amount, with the intention of folding to a river raise. This way I can still get some thin value off weaker Ax hands whilst also getting away when I run into a boat.

Hero bets $225
Reg tank calls $225

Spoiler:
Reg mucks and claims he had AJs
We scoop a 1k pot


So after this hand, we're sitting on a 1.3k stack, and everything continues to go uphill from here. 2 drunk guys sit down on the table and start playing ridiculously loose. One of them starts a hand with $80 and 3bet jams T6o pre. He quickly builds up a $750 stack by running hot. Then this hand happens:

$750 effective
1 limper
Hero raises $18 UTG+1 with AKo
Drunk guy 3bets $40 CO
Hero 4bets $125
Drunk guy instantly 5bet jams $750
Drunk guy then starts talking a lot, saying stuff like "I've got you beat, I promise you I've got you beat, I'll show if you fold. I'll show. You got Jacks? I've got you beat mate."
I sigh fold AKo face up and he then tables QQ
Oh well, probably a flip I didn't want to take anyway, even if I knew his cards.

Later, I get into a pot with the other drunk guy where he 5bet jams $450 preflop, I snap call with QQ and I win the flip against his AKo. The heater continues and I get dealt AK and JJ+ a lot over the next few hours. Win a few decent sized pots there. I also win a nice $700 pot with QT vs KJ on a KJxx9 runout.

Eventually, I'm looking down at a 2.7k stack from an initial $350 buyin. Towards the end though, I lose a few pots and I ultimately cash out $2450. An incredibly hot session overall. Really motivates me to grind more in the future.

When we zoom out and look at the entirety of the stake I've done for DLuo:
Total Profit: $4094
Time Played: 76 hours
Sessions Won: 7/14 (50%)
Biggest Win: $2100
Biggest Loss: $807
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10-13-2018 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It started with building an image: there was a period early on where I literally raised 10 hands in a row preflop. I was making a joke to the rest of the table about how I can raise every single hand and still win. I actually had decent hands to raise with on every occasion: ATo, KJs, KQo, ATs, AKo, T7s, etc. But they didn't know that, and they were starting to get annoyed at me.

I won a bunch of medium sized pots when I hit some hands and people who were normally nitty started to pay me off 1-2 streets with middling pairs. I also got lucky and won a $400 pot when I squeezed to $65 preflop with 76dd and an old guy cold 4bet jams $195, so I sigh call it off and manage to river the straight against his QQ.
And I thought you might start to gamble it up. How wrong was I.
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10-13-2018 , 08:50 AM
So let me get this straight:

-you suck out jamming 76 suited vs QQ pre (why are you still 3betting marginal hands when you have no fold equity?)
-you cooler someone with trips + top kicker, when they had trips + 2nd top kicker
-you win a flip AK vs QQ
-you cooler someone with a straight when they have top 2 pair
-you consistently get hit by the deck preflop with monster hands

As far as I can tell, none of this is skill. Analyze everything honestly and critically. Ask yourself "would I have played the hand differently if I was in their position?" If not, it's pure luck. There will come a session in the future where you're on the wrong end of these hands and you lose $2.1k (probably more than $2.1k, because most inexperienced players start playing worse when they run bad).
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10-13-2018 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
And I thought you might start to gamble it up. How wrong was I.
It actually wasn't that bad when you consider the context.

For the 76dd hand:
$600 effective against HJ and CO
Loose reg opens $15 HJ
Loose player calls $15 CO
Hero 3bets $65 BTN with 76dd
Old man 4bet jams $195 SB
Folds to me
We call $195

Like the squeeze makes a lot of sense against these loose players, and once it gets back to me, I'm basically priced in to call it off, even if I thought that he was only jamming {QQ+, AK}.

And for the raising 10 hands in a row: 8 of those raises I would consider completely standard anyway. I was card hot. There were only a couple of looser than optimal raises that I made, and they helped anyway, just so I could brag about raising 10 hands in a row to everyone and building up a super LAGtard image.
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10-13-2018 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
So let me get this straight:

-you suck out jamming 76 suited vs QQ pre (why are you still 3betting marginal hands when you have no fold equity?)
-you cooler someone with trips + top kicker, when they had trips + 2nd top kicker
-you win a flip AK vs QQ
-you cooler someone with a straight when they have top 2 pair
-you consistently get hit by the deck preflop with monster hands

As far as I can tell, none of this is skill. Analyze everything honestly and critically. Ask yourself "would I have played the hand differently if I was in their position?" If not, it's pure luck. There will come a session in the future where you're on the wrong end of these hands and you lose $2.1k (probably more than $2.1k, because most inexperienced players start playing worse when they run bad).
Yes, I would have played many of the hands differently.

1) I wouldn't call down 3 streets with AJ in a 3bet pot. I'd definitely fold river. I'd consider folding turn too.
2) I wouldn't flat a raise with KJo preflop.
3) I wouldn't make the same loose calldowns that many people made against me.

It's not all luck. Some of it is actually me playing better than my opponents.
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10-13-2018 , 09:01 AM
You exploit loose players by getting more money in with hands that are better. That means you can 3bet a hand like 99 or KQs and still get calls from worse. In this case you have 7 high and are likely to get called. That actually makes their light calls correct.

Then when the old man shoves you need 30% before rake, which you barely do against QQ/AK, but you severely lack equity when he doesn't even shove AK or only AKs, or even 12 of 16 combinations of AK. You don't profit in the best case and you lose $35 in the worst case while also taking on additional variance.
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10-13-2018 , 09:14 AM
But surely, if I can make a breakeven call that shows people that I'm willing to put in $200 pre with "7 high", that will net me more EV in the future.
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10-13-2018 , 09:19 AM
I was going to look up your comment on "these players don't adjust, they are too bad for that" to quote it but decided it isn't my money you're playing so why bother.
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10-13-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
They're definitely not adjusting to me. They're not good enough to adjust. They just play the same losing strategy for 20+ years and never change.

Not spending that much. I spend maybe $25 per day on food.
Oh there it is
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10-13-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
But surely, if I can make a breakeven call that shows people that I'm willing to put in $200 pre with "7 high", that will net me more EV in the future.
This is some advanced 6bet me strategy of balancing preflop.

I like it.
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10-13-2018 , 10:14 AM
Thread delivering again, amazing stuff. I dont know where to start, so i just let Kelvis and the crew bring the entertainment for now.

"Exploiting" loose openers by 3 bet/call it off with 7 high in 1/3 live game is a new trick i havent heard of before. Especially when you are on an ubershort close to busto everyday bankroll/liferoll/ staking deal because you are broke this make sense.
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10-13-2018 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
But surely, if I can make a breakeven call that shows people that I'm willing to put in $200 pre with "7 high", that will net me more EV in the future.
How will it net you more ev? What specifically are you going to do to use it to your advantage against these fish you won't play many hands with at all?
Why do you use quotations with "7 high"? It was in fact, 7 high.
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10-13-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Yes, I would have played many of the hands differently.

1) I wouldn't call down 3 streets with AJ in a 3bet pot. I'd definitely fold river. I'd consider folding turn too.
2) I wouldn't flat a raise with KJo preflop.
3) I wouldn't make the same loose calldowns that many people made against me.

It's not all luck. Some of it is actually me playing better than my opponents.
You obviously have to call down AJ with these positions and these sizings, don't be ridiculous.
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10-13-2018 , 11:03 AM
there are many versions of this post ITT, but let me try one more time lol

OP deciding to go pro is the most grotesque thing ever.

OP doesn't have the slightest clue how to play even remotely solid poker (see almost every HH), yet lives in a fantasy world, where he inevitably will crush because of his sound strategy and strong mindset, when in reality he is a self-entitled, inexperienced, deluded, results-orientated, irresponsible, oblivious, dull donk of a little boy, who comes up with the most absurd justifications for every single one of his foolish missteps documented ITT.

the root of all this lies in his gambling addiction, that he problably will face in his mid 30s.
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10-13-2018 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Fodersneso
there are many versions of this post ITT, but let me try one more time lol



OP deciding to go pro is the most grotesque thing ever.



OP doesn't have the slightest clue how to play even remotely solid poker (see almost every HH), yet lives in a fantasy world, where he inevitably will crush because of his sound strategy and strong mindset, when in reality he is a self-entitled, inexperienced, deluded, results-orientated, irresponsible, oblivious, dull donk of a little boy, who comes up with the most absurd justifications for every single one of his foolish missteps documented ITT.



the root of all this lies in his gambling addiction, that he problably will face in his mid 30s.


He probably is a winning 1/2 player, but almost definitely not enough to where he can support himself (especially when he gives 50% of profits/income to backer)
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10-13-2018 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
$800 effective
2 limpers
Loose reg (covers everyone) raises $20 CO
Hero 3bets $70 SB with AKs
Reg calls $70

Flop ($135) is A92r

Hero bets $50
Reg calls $50

Turn ($235) is A92A

Hero bets $175
Reg calls $175

We have $500 behind after this bet, so we're looking for a low card on the river so we can stack AJ/AQ.

River ($585) is A92AQ

Not the river card I wanted to see. I decided to bet a non-committing amount, with the intention of folding to a river raise. This way I can still get some thin value off weaker Ax hands whilst also getting away when I run into a boat.

Hero bets $225
Reg tank calls $225

Spoiler:
Reg mucks and claims he had AJs
We scoop a 1k pot
This is incredibly MUBSY. Jam river, do not give yourself the option to fold AK. If he has AQ, fine, but he has many other aces.

You're the maniac putting in $200 preflop with 76s in their eyes, right? Which is a horrible play btw.
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