I think the 50 that like the jam are fishes and/or trolls. That jam is just awful for the reasons you articulated.

It’s the “just can’t help myself” comment this early on that’s particularly alarming IMO.


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Terrible. Most villains are not folding a Q here. Which is what he usually has. He just checks because the board paired. And since it's paired even if the flush hits you can lose to a boat (or be outflushed).

You realize you need a fold like 70% here to break even with your 15 dollar rake. Do we think 1/3 villains are folding that often? Even if they are is this more profitable than taking a free card? Highly doubt it.

It's not that high. Remember sometimes we get called and win.

When I calculate the pot size, I always deduct the 10% rake as I go.

So I'm jamming $240 to win what would be a $591 pot (post rake) after being called. If I have on average 17% equity when called, then that's $100 in EV if I have no fold equity. To gain the other $140 in EV, I need villain to fold 55% of the time to breakeven.

There is the argument though that we gain EV from checking and realising our equity, so to make it more +EV to jam than to check, we'd want villain to fold more than 55% of the time. We'd want something closer to 70% fold equity.

It's tough to say whether we have that or not. Whilst people do typically fold quite a lot against overbets, we probably don't have that much fold equity against an unknown 1/3 NL player, so maybe the jam was suboptimal against most players. Still an interesting spot though.

One funny thing that happened last night was that we got into a big political argument on the 1/3 NL table about the new "safe injecting rooms" in Richmond; a place where heroin junkies can shoot up in a safe and controlled environment and have their needles disposed of safely.

So this old guy had a typical NIMBY attitude, saying that he doesn't want it built near his house because there'll be more syringes left on the ground. We quickly refuted that by explaining that there's no reason at all for junkies to inject in the nearby neighbourhoods when there's a safe room nearby.

Then he argued that it will devalue his property. We argued that the council could easily financially compensate affected houses, just like they would if a new train station was being built that reduced sales from a business.

Then he argued that it would just encourage more people to become junkies, which we disagreed with because all the evidence points to drug laws failing and that we need to treat it as a health problem, not a criminal problem.

Then he got really mad with us and argued that he just doesn't want it anywhere near him. We gave up arguing with him at this point because it became pretty clear that he wasn't a rational person. He was just another idiot with strong political opinions that didn't have any logical reasons for what he believed.

Fortunately, the old guy got stacked shortly afterwards and left the table. For some reason, it was extremely satisfying watching him lose his chips. Even more satisfying than winning any money myself. Maybe I'm just a bit sadistic though.

Sounds exactly like this topic few months ago

Hope it's better atm. GL with the staking deal

yeah, giving away drugs to people is a great idea, keep it up

So in conclusion, we target top pair at 2 spr with our bluffs

he's a rational person though, gives drugs away to junkies,

Yeah the jam is quite bad. A jam reps no value hands and most players will call you with any pair there.

I agree the "just can't help myself" comment is extremely worrying this early on. If DLuo doesn't manage this situation really well, I can see this spiraling out of control like the last time.

Hate that JTss jam, also don't like the previous hand where you cb/call it off with QxQs on an all spade flop against five callers.

Good luck on this new chance, though. Hope things will work out for you. But you should try to spew less.

Injecting rooms are intended to be a safe environment to shoot up in and clean needles are provided. Idea is that you don't have your junkie population sharing needles, which drastically cuts disease rates. They're not places where the authorities hand out baggies of smack, at least as far as I know.

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I don't want an injecting room next door to me either but having one in the suburb, absolutely. It's a good idea.

My guess is the real crushers haven't played 1/3 in a long time. As you stated, 1/3 players didn't come to the poker room to fold. At the nose bleeds, the amount of money is significant and makes more players wary of calling that much.

I know you've read this thread, but the one chink in your armor is that your horse is addicted to gambling. I expect you'll find over time he's going to make more of these "I put all the money in the middle and let's see what happens" moves.

If you're actually attempting to do this professionally then you're really going to have to work at your table skillz and your mental attitude. Having a fish leave the table / turning the table uncomfortable because of some incredibly stupid toxic topic that you don't do a good job of quashing and turning it around to a fun environment topic like sports or the good looking waitress is setting money on fire.

It also does wonders for your own stress levels by encouraging a stress free environment.

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Welcome back. Good to see you on a stake How is the hourly going? What amount of hours are you doing weekly? Are you coming in all days? What times? What days and times have you noticed to be the best days?(please get very specific)

Your Jam: is fine some of the time, alot of the players are weak and will rather fold than hero call, I guess you have to choose your target. That being said...you could bet turn/chk and look to ship the rest in on the river no matter the card(unless its a 6 or Q. This way we still put max pressure on villain and collect more $ in the process.

QQ is a bad play, I am sure you know why.
fyi sometimes complete spew can generate players to make big mistakes...like blind raising or convincing players to double blind raise.
Here is a pro tip, If you want to show a player a bluff> it is best to show them a bluff that has no equity rather than a bluff with equity like the hand you showed. When you show them the equity bluff they instantly get a free lesson and get better in the game of poker....thus making it harder for DLUO to realise his Goldmine ;P

I'm actually kinda amazed how many people itt are advocating folding an overpair with a flush draw in a pot with an SPR of 3. You get good life advice in this thread, but the poker advice I would mostly ignore

JTs jam is fine, it's way better than betting normal and bluffing brick rivers(as I would expect OP to do).

^^ And so it goes on...live versus online...yawn

Yeah, more of the fancy play syndrome stack spewing that contributed to OP faceplanting into bustoville. Sounds like a great plan to continue with that kind of stuff.

Also how much volume of live 1/3 or 2/5 have you played? Trying to get losing calling stations in low stakes games to fold top pair is considered spew by most good live players.

What a victory.

Can you share the volumesample that 6bme have grinded on your staking deal this far? I mean, since you find it relevant to mention this in such fashion- i take it for granted he have grinded a big samplesize already.

If not, shortterm variance isnt telling us anything and its totally uninteresting. Come back to the thread when 6bme have grinded 1000 livehours for you, then it can be worth mentioning if he is up money playing on your dime.

This is much worse than your JTs shove. Don't get into arguments with people, especially political arguments, especially when it is "we" vs "him." How do you think he feels going to play poker then having to defend his beliefs vs. some young kid and whomever your ally was? It makes him want to leave or switch tables, and maybe this guy wasn't much of a fish so you don't care, but I guarantee you there were multiple people at the table not involved in the argument but praying you three would STFU about it. Keep it light. Keep it fun so people don't mind losing their money to you.

And that you would rather see an elder with different beliefs suffer than win money speaks volumes about you.

What a great guy. I can't believe anyone has a negative attitude about you.

lol. I think a ton of people are interested in his results.

Sure,people are curious. Especially with the trainwreck factor going on in this thread.

My main point though- was that shortterm results is just noise and is mostly based on if OP find himself of the positive or negative side of shortterm variance. It doesent tell us or anyone else shyt about important relevant questions- such as if it was a +EV idea by his staker to put a busto gambling addict with a huge blown up ego (with no results to back up that ego) who refuse to listen to any good advice back in action.

It's 1/3 and it's 6 ways, I think fold is almost certainly the correct play. Villain has a flush ~95% of the time and the other 5% he has a set or a straight.

it's 6-way, man easiest fold in the world. His sizing was bad vs competent players too, I think that the best sizing for a 6-way pot would be around 15%-25% with overpair with the fd+for value and some semibluffs. With 5 more people with equity in the pot, betting 66% is too big.

But vs braindead opponents, his sizing is very good, gotta jam blank turns for value(if HU OTT vs one of the last 3 guys to act otf), but fold vs the flop jam.