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Old Yesterday, 12:52 PM   #3501
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The backing agreement has been made in such a way that it's almost impossible for me to break any of the rules, even if I was degenerate enough to try. I'm supervised every live session I play, by either the backer himself or by other friends of his who have been assigned to supervise me. I give updates as to my start time and finishing time, my table number and seat number, any major hand histories I play throughout the session, etc. And as of now, I can tell you that I've made more than 3 buyins profit for both my live backer and my online coach, so even if they were to end the arrangement now, they would both be up money.

I learnt to live cheaply. I'd eat meat pies from 7/11, Hungry Jack's, cheap food from Asian takeaway restaurants. I also found a cheap Thai restaurant that sells large plates of food for $10 each, so my girlfriend and I go there a bit, and she usually contributes now.

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Lol, u consider eating out eating cheaply? Cook your own food, Man. Ffs
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Old Yesterday, 01:27 PM   #3502
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In addition to that, I have another friend who is coaching me to beat online poker. He's a winning 200nl player. I'm currently playing 25nl and he is coaching me for 50% of my profits. With his help, I hope to eventually move up to 200nl.
That ain't a friend.

Do you think half your hourly expectation at 1/3NL is more money than delivering pizzas? Also, in retrospect, do you still think buying your gf a $850 phone was a good idea and you'd do it again? Good luck OP.

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Old Yesterday, 01:54 PM   #3503
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Welcome back, 6b. I can't wait until your alter ego, Outlawbull**** comes back next week.
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Old Yesterday, 03:17 PM   #3504
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I knew it was just a matter of time before 6BM came back with a good story talking about learning his lessons and starting again. When I predicted this I was called a d*** IIRC.

So basically 6BM degens it up for several months, has zero plans for what happens if he goes busto, goes busto, makes no effort to find a job despite having basically zero money, and suffers no real negative consequences for his degeneracy and lack of planning because he gets some random cashflow and has his poker career bailed out by a backer.

When there are no negative consequences for addicts' behavior they just keep doing the same thing.

I hope your backer watches you like a hawk 6BM, for both your sakes.
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Old Yesterday, 03:23 PM   #3505
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I knew it was just a matter of time before 6BM came back with a good story talking about learning his lessons and starting again. When I predicted this I was called a d*** IIRC.

So basically 6BM degens it up for several months, has zero plans for what happens if he goes busto, goes busto, makes no effort to find a job despite having basically zero money, and suffers no real negative consequences for his degeneracy and lack of planning because he gets some random cashflow and has his poker career bailed out by a backer.

When there are no negative consequences for addicts' behavior they just keep doing the same thing.

I hope your backer watches you like a hawk 6BM, for both your sakes.
Pretty much this, hitting the bullseye.
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Old Yesterday, 03:51 PM   #3506
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Just got done reading the last ~10 pages of this thread. So there seems to be a lot of questions and a lot of rumours about my disappearance, so I'll try to answer everything now.

Why did you disappear without telling us?
Honestly, I never planned to disappear. It just sort of... happened. I woke up one day depressed as f**k and decided that I just didn't feel like going on 2p2 that day. I wanted to be left alone. I didn't want to communicate with anyone. The next day, I felt the same way, and this continued for several weeks. I isolated myself from almost everyone, even my real life friends and family. I began to wake up at 5pm every day and just play Oldschool Runescape on my laptop until 6am and then sleep. That was my routine.

Did you check 2p2 whilst you were gone?
No. I didn't check this thread at all. I honestly didn't even have the energy to read it, even if I knew that I could log on without anyone knowing. I was depressed and I was also too lazy to even attempt to solve my problems, so I just avoided them. I avoided all my responsibilities.

Did you play any poker during that time?
Barely. I played maybe one session per week, if that. I just lost the motivation to play poker. I found a new addiction and that was a game called Runescape. It consumed all of my time.

How did you survive with no money?
A lot of coincidences happened which worked to my favour. An old friend who owed me $1200 finally decided to pay me back just when my rent was due. My tax return came back and I received $650 for that. It was a miracle that these things happened just when they did. I put myself in a horrible position with basically no plan to survive financially, but things happened to work out for me and I managed to survive almost 2 months with no income.

Are you still depressed?
No. I'm feeling much better now. I just went through a phase of hopelessness and low confidence. But now I am ready to get back on my feet and kick a** again. I've already started by fixing my sleeping pattern and quitting Runescape. I am more energetic and enthusiastic about life now than I was a few weeks ago, hence why I've decided to rejoin 2p2.

Do you plan to get a job?
No. Not in the near future at least. Only if and when I absolutely have to.

What is your plan for the future?
Fortunately, another miracle happened recently: one of the members of 2p2 who I know irl contacted me and offered to back me to play 1/3 NL live. He is very knowledgeable about variance and is willing to effectively risk a 4 figure amount of money on me, provided that I stick to the agreement, which includes things like being organised, being punctual, not playing when drunk, not playing during degen hours, not making any spewy plays and not jumping stakes. Any profit that I make is being split between me and my backer. I am going to make the most of this opportunity as this is potentially my way out of the mess that I'm in. I see this as a fresh start; a new chance for me to build up a roll and succeed.

In addition to that, I have another friend who is coaching me to beat online poker. He's a winning 200nl player. I'm currently playing 25nl and he is coaching me for 50% of my profits. With his help, I hope to eventually move up to 200nl.

How do I know that I won't make the same mistakes again?
The short answer is: I don't.

The long answer is: I am going to be much more rigid than I was in the past, with a very specific schedule that I stick to. There will be no more "I've had a few beers but I can still play fine" or "it's late at night but I'm a poker player and my schedule is flexible". I have accountability now: I'm accountable to my backer and to my coach. We have agreed on set times that I will grind. Both of these people are highly successful and their support means a lot to me. Both of these people are also more than willing to end the contract with me if I f**k up and don't stick to our agreement. So I think there is sufficient incentive for me not to f**k up. I have much more to lose this time.


Way to go OP. With ur friendsí support you can make this happen. Just donít be too prideful to get a job if need be. Some ppl arenít cut out for poker (such as myself), life isnít over if ur one of those ppl. And even if u donít succeed again, doesnít mean u will never be able to. U just may need multiple tries. A regular job will give u all the second chances needed.


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Old Yesterday, 05:29 PM   #3507
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All investments involve calculated risk, I make a healthy amount of my money playing poker / sportsbetting, and staking people in both of these areas. Most of these investments work out, some don't, but thats just the nature of this space.

I think 6b has the TECHNICAL capabilities of beating the 1/3 game at Crown, the players are absolutely brain dead. However, 6b has way too many life leaks atm to make him successful as an individual, as we've seen in this thread.

My deal with 6b involves an extensive list of conditions which are essentially a list of controls to prevent him from going off the rails. For example: a structured schedule and having someone I trust, or myself, being at the casino to verify each session. Most importantly, we've agreed that if 6b does anything that is different to what we've agreed to aka get OOL, I can quit our deal and he will owe me the full amount of the makeup.

So.... is this really going to be that bad of a deal? Worst case scenario he gets crushed in 1/3 for 20 buyins and I torch like 6k. However, I think if 6b actually follows the blueprint I essentially used to crush 1/3, coupled with the right life coaching, 6b can also beat the game.

For anyone that's genuinely interested and doesn't have a negative mindset, I offer life coaching around how to be successful in areas like poker/sportsbetting. HMU (:
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Old Yesterday, 05:45 PM   #3508
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It looks like a solid investment, what the backer sad is true: 6betme probably crushes those games, his problem was with bad brm and bad use of his cash outsidd of the tables.

Maybe this could even help him to be more consistent and finally a good poker professional.
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Old Yesterday, 05:49 PM   #3509
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So if OP actually manages to win consistently his hourly at 1/3 is cut in half? How is he supposed to live off that?
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Old Yesterday, 05:58 PM   #3510
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All investments involve calculated risk, I make a healthy amount of my money playing poker / sportsbetting, and staking people in both of these areas. Most of these investments work out, some don't, but thats just the nature of this space.

I think 6b has the TECHNICAL capabilities of beating the 1/3 game at Crown, the players are absolutely brain dead. However, 6b has way too many life leaks atm to make him successful as an individual, as we've seen in this thread.

My deal with 6b involves an extensive list of conditions which are essentially a list of controls to prevent him from going off the rails. For example: a structured schedule and having someone I trust, or myself, being at the casino to verify each session. Most importantly, we've agreed that if 6b does anything that is different to what we've agreed to aka get OOL, I can quit our deal and he will owe me the full amount of the makeup.

So.... is this really going to be that bad of a deal? Worst case scenario he gets crushed in 1/3 for 20 buyins and I torch like 6k. However, I think if 6b actually follows the blueprint I essentially used to crush 1/3, coupled with the right life coaching, 6b can also beat the game.

For anyone that's genuinely interested and doesn't have a negative mindset, I offer life coaching around how to be successful in areas like poker/sportsbetting. HMU (:
Assuming you can collect when he breaks the agreement it seems like a good investment. You get to make profits until the gambling addict / alcoholic with cyclical depression falls off the rails at which point you collect on any losses as well. The only scenario where you lose is if 6BM goes on a 20+ BI downswing and busts without breaking the agreement. Which given the thread history seems unlikely, since just about every time 6BM ran bad for a spell his solution was to drink and/or move up in stakes and/or play table games. Presumably any of these things violate the agreement.

So yeah I guess it might be a decent investment. Actually seems a bit predatory, though I'll admit I only know the basics of staking and perhaps these kind of conditions are standard with high risk players.
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Old Yesterday, 06:33 PM   #3511
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Assuming you can collect when he breaks the agreement it seems like a good investment. You get to make profits until the gambling addict / alcoholic with cyclical depression falls off the rails at which point you collect on any losses as well. The only scenario where you lose is if 6BM goes on a 20+ BI downswing and busts without breaking the agreement. Which given the thread history seems unlikely, since just about every time 6BM ran bad for a spell his solution was to drink and/or move up in stakes and/or play table games. Presumably any of these things violate the agreement.

So yeah I guess it might be a decent investment. Actually seems a bit predatory, though I'll admit I only know the basics of staking and perhaps these kind of conditions are standard with high risk players.
My day job is in risk consulting, so very used to implementing good strong controls in processes. Ie 6b has to come to the verifier for get chips to buyin/rebuy, he has to rack up in the presence of the verifier before cashing out and handing all of the cash to them. The whole point is that he canít really get OOL with my money to degen it off at high stakes / pitgames. May seem ďpredatoryĒ or too excessive to have these level of controls in place, but some players just need to be micromanaged to succeed before theyíve developed the discipline to go off on their own.

From his point of view, 6b can quit me if he thinks itís such a bad deal for him. Letís be real though, itís hard to find someone to back you in his situation.

Beating 1/3 for $10 an hour may be worse than delivering pizza, but look at it as a personal long term investment to eventually allow yourself to beat the game for a lot more than that on your own. Not everything is about the short term $/hr
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 PM   #3512
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Let's say OP loses $2k but doesn't break any rules and wants to quit. Does he owe any makeup?
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Old Yesterday, 06:59 PM   #3513
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Guys, I’m not really planning on replying to any more posts on this thread. I feel like I’ve explained why I’m backing 6b to a sufficient degree. This is a really negative place so I’m staying the **** away.

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Old Yesterday, 07:46 PM   #3514
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Why would anyone who likes money invest in this guy?? He still thinks eating out is "eating cheap", this guy ain't learned anything...

It seems mindblowingly stupid to invest in this guy... I'm assuming the staker knows something we don't....
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Old Yesterday, 08:02 PM   #3515
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Why does this still read like the biggest troll ever? You know where else they have big amounts of food for $10? The grocery store.
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I literally don't know anyone who thinks eating out is the cheap alternative. 1st post back and we already in stupidville.
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Old Yesterday, 08:19 PM   #3516
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I'm confused... OP said he's giving 50% of profits to his backer. Then, he says he has a different friend who is coaching him for 50% of profits. Is the coach getting 50% of your net? So basically, you make $100, split that 50/50 with the backer, then split your $50 50/50 with your coach, leaving you with $25? Am I reading this right?
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Old Yesterday, 08:19 PM   #3517
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When did this thread get so personal and everyone turn into such arseholes?

I can't believe how butthurt people are that a random guy on the internet wants to grab a meet pie from the case station rather then cook up some vegetables.

The threads been a great ride for the bravado and for 6bets pure openness and honesty but it can pretty much be summed up as "new player has early success, gets cocky and thinks he's better than he is, plays too high, hits downswing loses roll". Isn't this how 90% of winning poker players started out?

Kid's 22 or 24 or whatever, graduated uni, has no responsibilities, could probably move back into his parents house and walk into a dozen min wage jobs tomorrow if it came to crunch time and you guys are acting like he the most irresponsible, piece of **** degen the internet has ever scene. All for losing or spending $10K of his own money, the majority of which he won playing poker.

I really don't understand the vitriol at all. There's been a lot of good advice given in this thread and a lot of valid criticisms made and I'm sure it was a lot of fun for the people giving the advice and making the criticisms, I know it was for me, but I thought it was all done from a place of love and appreciation for this great thread and genuine wish to see 6bet succeed but now it's just turned into way over the top hate and negativity. I don't get it at all.
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Old Yesterday, 08:21 PM   #3518
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I'm confused... OP said he's giving 50% of profits to his backer. Then, he says he has a different friend who is coaching him for 50% of profits. Is the coach getting 50% of your net? So basically, you make $100, split that 50/50 with the backer, then split your $50 50/50 with your coach, leaving you with $25? Am I reading this right?
It sounded to me like the backing deal was for live 1/3 and the coaching deal was for $25nl on ignition where OP presumably still has a roll to grind (or coach is putting up the money). The two seem to be mutually exclusive.
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Old Yesterday, 08:51 PM   #3519
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If you want live updates of each session - Inbox me for my instagram details, I’ll be posting on my instagram stories. (Apologies if I can’t post this @admin)
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When did this thread get so personal and everyone turn into such arseholes?

I can't believe how butthurt people are that a random guy on the internet wants to grab a meet pie from the case station rather then cook up some vegetables.

The threads been a great ride for the bravado and for 6bets pure openness and honesty but it can pretty much be summed up as "new player has early success, gets cocky and thinks he's better than he is, plays too high, hits downswing loses roll". Isn't this how 90% of winning poker players started out?

Kid's 22 or 24 or whatever, graduated uni, has no responsibilities, could probably move back into his parents house and walk into a dozen min wage jobs tomorrow if it came to crunch time and you guys are acting like he the most irresponsible, piece of **** degen the internet has ever scene. All for losing or spending $10K of his own money, the majority of which he won playing poker.

I really don't understand the vitriol at all. There's been a lot of good advice given in this thread and a lot of valid criticisms made and I'm sure it was a lot of fun for the people giving the advice and making the criticisms, I know it was for me, but I thought it was all done from a place of love and appreciation for this great thread and genuine wish to see 6bet succeed but now it's just turned into way over the top hate and negativity. I don't get it at all.
Welcome to the internet :/

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Old Yesterday, 09:10 PM   #3521
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The backing deal was for live 1/3 NL. The coaching deal was for 25nl online.

Regarding the backing deal: if DLuo chooses to quit me and I've done nothing wrong (I like to think of this as being made "redundant"), then any profit I made will be split in the agreed ratio. If I have made no profit, then any previous money I took out will be returned and any losses above that will be incurred by DLuo.

But if I do something wrong that violates the terms and conditions of the backing deal and the agreement ends as a result of that (I like to think of this as being "fired"), then I owe 100% of the makeup.

I think that this is a fair agreement. It's just a normal backing arrangement but with added incentive for me to follow all the rules.
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Old Yesterday, 10:07 PM   #3522
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The backing deal was for live 1/3 NL. The coaching deal was for 25nl online.

Regarding the backing deal: if DLuo chooses to quit me and I've done nothing wrong (I like to think of this as being made "redundant"), then any profit I made will be split in the agreed ratio. If I have made no profit, then any previous money I took out will be returned and any losses above that will be incurred by DLuo.

But if I do something wrong that violates the terms and conditions of the backing deal and the agreement ends as a result of that (I like to think of this as being "fired"), then I owe 100% of the makeup.

I think that this is a fair agreement. It's just a normal backing arrangement but with added incentive for me to follow all the rules.
Just imagine if you would followed just 10% of the free advice you got here. You would still have money and you would be playing for 100% of your profits instead of 50%.

(Not that I believe there is going to be any profits)
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Just imagine if you would followed just 10% of the free advice you got here. You would still have money and you would be playing for 100% of your profits instead of 50%.

(Not that I believe there is going to be any profits)
Dude, we get it.
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Old Yesterday, 11:25 PM   #3524
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Wb and Gl OP.
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Hey OP, what will your schedule look like, how many days/hours per week and at what times can we expect to see you at crown? Does the staking deal also cover home games?

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