Not as extreme but I was playing 1/2 the other day for the first time in years and this guy sat down after busting the £40 mtt with £100, first hand we see a flop in a limped pot, I have KsTx, the flop is A72sss, I bet £10 into £14 and only he calls, turn 9s, I bet £20 he calls, river blank, he leads for £15 so unnaturally put him all in to which he calls in about 15 seconds with 4x3s.. gives off that look that he's been really unlucky and insta reloads. He doesn't look wealthy by any means and I say to the guy next to me "I sort of feel bad, he clearly has no idea what he's doing" (you can tell from the way he holds his cards, stacks his chips etc). The guy next to me says "if he doesn't lose it to you he will only lose it to the house on roulette or blackjack."

Some people will always gamble, I get that it was horrible for you to watch but if there were no poker do you think he would've paid the rent?

Given that my observed win rate is +20bb/100 at 25nl and -20bb/100 at 50nl, I'm pretty confident that it's just variance. There's no way that 50nl is so much tougher than 25nl that you'd go from being a 20bb winner at one stake to a 20bb loser at the next stake.

How about not using the word "variance" as:
1) an excuse for a bad play
2) fairytales about how you crush the game with a 5K hands sample

It's always the same - when you win it's because you're a great player, when you lose it's because of variance and a bad luck.



Have you heard of entitlement tilt?
It's the behaviour similar to Phil Hellmuth's. The person acts as he's the chosen one who is entitled to win everytime he chooses to play and if he doesn't it's caused by the enviroment and outside forces.

These are common thoughts of such people:
"Cards do not matter, I can bluff-out everyone in a pot that I want."
"This guy is horrible, how could I lose to such a bad player?"
"Other players are lazier/more degen/more stupid/... than I am."
"I should be always winning against a fish."
"When I suckout someone, it was still played well on my side."
"I play great but these guys are so lucky."


Can you see some similarities with your own personality?

How big of a winner do you think you are at 25nl and 50nl? In terms of bb/100.

Probably somewhere between -10bb and +15bb at both

I'm confident that I've run above EV at 25nl and below EV at 50nl.

Lol....how are you still not tracking it? It's basic level day 1 stuff.

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Hey 6bet, and co,

You didn't reply to my counter challenge in my thread. Thought I better hunt you down and officially 'Sub' even though I've been quietly following this whole time failing to give any input due to the abundance of it here. Hope you are still keen because I've been making sure I put in volume so it doesn't look horrible in comparison to yours - and to keep you under some amount of pressure to keep up your own.

In the current theme of gamblers putting themselves and family in horrid spots; I had a 35yo odd dude come and sit down to my right one Saturday night at my local 1/3 and he didnt have too much of an understanding of poker or rules but I chatted with him after he bought in short (think it was about 100). He was telling me about how he was a single dad and really struggling and then went on to say how this was the last of his money and hes trying to get lucky to spin it up to pay bills for his. While he was getting deeper into his troubles and I genuinely feel bad for this bloke already, he was down to about 75 and we got in a hand where I raised 99 he called. 99 was overs to the board and he checked I raised it folded back to him and he jammed ontop for a bit more I called. Turns a blank rivers an A and he scooped with A3o or some **** where he had exactly 3 outs on the turn. After the hand he was quite literally shook, genuinely trembling and was telling me how if he loses its actually the last of his money. As poker players we live off people donating like this and want them to bleed money in our games and I've come across people in bad money situations but I couldnt believe this guy. I felt both sympathy and anger towards him (in the cas gambling with the last of his and his sons money). Only time I have genuinely expressed my concern for someone (especially someone who is a fish on my right and doubles up off me the hand before) to get off the table and go home. Obviously he probably still went off and played BJ or some other bs but Im all but certain he would have had nothing staying there for 30 more minutes. Dont know what he did but I hope he listened to me. As a somewhat semi-reg I don't think we NEED that money that bad and at least now I can pretend he held onto his money and his son got to eat dinner. As a young 20yo was a bit of an eye opener for me about how ****ed the gambling scene can be.

Naturally*

Anyway, thinking about your expenses OP, I can't see how you're going to make enough playing online. Have you given up on the casino grind?

6betme...seems as tho you have had some help from KELVIS. Well now it is my turn. I will put you into some games where you will win. I can get you organised as quick as tomorrow. Msg me. And they are better than the **** games your currently playing in

No I tried to apply some structure but it didn't stick. But I'm guessing you're referring to some Chinese poker app right?

actually no

Thanks for the awesome summary! I appreciate the work. Yeah, doesn't sound like the proper way on how to play life as poker player, essentially. He'd prob. been way better off if he did all the have-to-do(s) (grind harder, save up) and avoided the not-to-do(s) (drinking, spending, switching online for a lower hourly)

OP why you no execute rock-hard discipline & being more humble so to grow your BR and poker career more efficiently?

Douches like you two are the reason live poker is so god awful.

I don't think arrogance is so much the problem; more like lack of any semplance of discipline, work ethic and patience. Tough to be successful in any field without any of those virtues.

No chance your win rate is 15bb/100. I just think you vastly under-estimate how difficult online is. You are very good at imagining how crushable different formats of poker are, while showing zero evidence that you can beat any one of those formats.

You need a job first and foremost, or some form of income that covers your expenses. I don't understand why you are putting this off. Sooner or later, you will have to deal with this. May as well do it with $2.5k to your name than $0 to your name. That way, you don't have to rebuild your bankroll from scratch.

From what I've seen in your posts and having a bunch of experience in both of those games, I can safely tell you that your ceiling's ~5bb at $50nl and I think that's being very generous. Your fundamentals suck and you have no discipline. The 15bb wr is achievable for a great player who never ever tilts. That isn't you.

Which one, spunk off his rent money while his GF begs him to stop or take a hopeless degen's money while degen's GF cries in the background?

I don't think he's at the hopeless degenerate stage at the moment although I'm sure he has a gambling problem. I know nothing about the pathology of gambling addiction though. I'd guess 'no' to this one.

Preying off the degen, well we all do this. I don't think I could stomach doing it with the crying GF actually there, that's just me though. With my stance though...I don't pay the bills with poker, so if it's *my* family on the line, maybe I would.

EDIT

I think every poker player needs to have a bit of gamble in them because otherwise, the game is just too boring. However you want to not be a degen and I think OP is one of those people who likes poker because he's got a gambling problem. He is likely fundamentally unsuited to poker for that reason.

I always say "I never tell a grown man what to do with his money.....unless he owes it to me."

That being said, the crying GF/wife railing the wanna be pro is an all too common scene in my room. Twice I've shoved the nuts on the river and told the dude.....fold and go pay your bills. Twice the degen has called.

To quote a BBV legend.....I know it sucks but whatchya gonna do? Gotta lose that money.

If you don't take it someone else will.

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Hope OP is enjoying a Murphy-esque getaway.

Not a chance he would do it. That money was gone.

I get and respect that people can take money from people who need the money to survive at the poker table without qualms. A pro has to have that mentality to stay in the game. I'm not casting any moral judgement on someone who can do it. I just realized at that time I couldn't, no more than I couldn't work at an abattior. It doesn't mean I won't eat a hamburger or chicken sandwich or look down at someone who does.

Me feeling bad for a guy makes me a douche? Ok pal, good one.

Flying to Sydney

So my girlfriend and I are flying to Sydney in a few hours. We'll be there from Thursday until Sunday. We have a nice 3 star hotel ready for us, located very close to the Opera House, the Harbour Bridge and The Star Casino.

I looked it up on the internet and apparently, the lowest game that runs there is the 2/3 NL with $100-$500 buyin. I have decided that I will put $500 aside to spend 1 night playing that game. If this game goes well, then I'll consider playing a bit more 1/3 NL once I come back to Melbourne, in addition to online poker. If not, then at least it's a fun experience playing in another casino.

Most of the trip will just be spent having fun though. I want to go exploring different places with my girlfriend, such as going to Bondi Beach and going on a ferry, and potentially meet up for drinks with one of my mates who's the CEO of a $50m company. He drinks harder than I do, so it's always good fun going out with him.

I'm really looking forward to this holiday. Having a few days to get away, refresh and revitalise, is really what I need right now imo. Hopefully when I come back to Melbourne, I'll be feeling fresh and ready to kick a**.

What $50m company is it? And why don't you just ask him for a job? I'm sure he could get you a far better paying one than delivering pizzas.

Have fun on your trip!

Anyone with a $50M company probably doesn't want to make that a <$50M company.

I don't know how to program, I'm not good at marketing and I don't have a finance degree. There's not much I could do there.

Besides, I'd rather live in Melbourne than Sydney. Our casino is bigger. And poker is my priority.